Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Hi, > That’s a pretty good correlation. If the process is not too tedious then > maybe the incubator should trigger a look into the situation and finding > replacement mentors. That’s the idea :-) > Maybe a 7 day ACK to the Mentor. “It looks like you are no longer able to > mentor . We unders

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Hi Justin, Thanks! That’s a pretty good correlation. If the process is not too tedious then maybe the incubator should trigger a look into the situation and finding replacement mentors. Maybe a 7 day ACK to the Mentor. “It looks like you are no longer able to mentor . We understand that you a

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Hi, > Thanks for doing this, Justin. It must have taken quite a while. Not as long as you may think due to pony mail's ability to search multiple lists at once. However it can be in some cases hard to match names and not every one uses their email address recorded against their name. > Just cu

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Thanks for doing this, Justin. It must have taken quite a while. You've convinced me that missing sign-off is a reasonable proxy for mentor disengagement. Just curious: As you were reviewing lists looking for mentor activity, did you learn anything about patterns of mentor behavior? Are there any

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Hi, So I went through the tedious task of checking activity on the mailing list in the last 6 months for all possible absent mentors (being those who have missed a number of reports). I may of made some mistakes but it look like that missing 3 reports n a row correlates quite well with mentors

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Hi, For those interested here are the numbers of possible absent mentors by podling, again this may contain mistakes. If you listed here and your mentors are active again you have my apologies in advance, but if your mentors are absent please speak up. That goes for if you are a mentor on a pro

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Hi, I made a list of possible inactive mentors here based on how often they sign off board reports [1]. It may contain mistakes so apologies in advance if your name is listed and you are actually active in the podling listed. There are 78 names listed of those 50 have not checked off any board

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Hi, > [2] https://community.apache.org/guide-to-being-a-mentor.html > BTW this link refer to another mentorship program, not being a mentor of a podling. Thanks, Justin ---

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Hi, > I believe that asking all mentors to sign off is a change in policy or at > least in practice. (Neither the “Mentors’ guide”[1] nor the “Guide to being a > mentor”[2] talks about signing off.) See [1] I’d say "and report its status” covers signing off reports. Thanks, Justin 1. https:/

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

I hear what you’re saying. As a metric it’s better than nothing, but let’s not assume it is telling us everything. I believe that asking all mentors to sign off is a change in policy or at least in practice. (Neither the “Mentors’ guide”[1] nor the “Guide to being a mentor”[2] talks about signi

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Hi, > Alternately I could take 10 mentors at random if any of them are active on > their mailing lists, I’m guessing there a strong correlation between not > signing off reports and absent mentors. A data point. Not mentioning any names but I checked a single mentor who had not recently signed

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Hi, > There is a strong presumption here that a mentor is fulfilling their duty if > and only if they sign the reports. It’s an imperfect metric but one we have easy access to. If we send out an email asking for if you’re AWOL and a mentor responds that they are active then all is good. Of cou

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

There is a strong presumption here that a mentor is fulfilling their duty if and only if they sign the reports. I’m skeptical. I can think of cases where an engaged mentor does not sign reports (because someone else has done it), and vice versa where a disengaged mentor shows up once a quarter

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Hi, Coming back to this old thread and coming up with some simple draft emails. Feedback welcome. > Taking a closer look at the data [1] (only accessible by IPMC and ASF members > sorry) it may be a good idea to split the mentors/podlings into groups and > draft a different email for each? For

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Hi, Taking a closer look at the data [1] (only accessible by IPMC and ASF members sorry) it may be a good idea to split the mentors/podlings into groups and draft a different email for each? For instance: - Mentors who are not signing off reports at all or only occasionally - Mentors who have mi

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 2:07 PM Dave Fisher wrote: > Hi - > > On Apr 2, 2018, at 11:23 AM, Mark Thomas wrote: > > > > On 01/04/18 21:26, Dave Fisher wrote: > >> > >>> On Apr 1, 2018, at 1:15 PM, Shane Curcuru >>> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Jim Jagielski wrote on 4/1/18 10

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Hi - > On Apr 2, 2018, at 11:23 AM, Mark Thomas wrote: > > On 01/04/18 21:26, Dave Fisher wrote: >> >>> On Apr 1, 2018, at 1:15 PM, Shane Curcuru >> > wrote: >>> >>> Jim Jagielski wrote on 4/1/18 10:19 AM: Would it be possible to generate a short list of all c

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

On 01/04/18 21:26, Dave Fisher wrote: > >> On Apr 1, 2018, at 1:15 PM, Shane Curcuru > > wrote: >> >> Jim Jagielski wrote on 4/1/18 10:19 AM: >>> Would it be possible to generate a short list of all current >>> mentors for all current podlings to see how many podlings

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 1:09 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > Justin's two metrics are interesting to me as I (kinda) don't view either > > of those as mentor responsibilities. > > Interesting how do you projects you mentor get to work out release profile > and what need to done re license and

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Hi, > Justin's two metrics are interesting to me as I (kinda) don't view either > of those as mentor responsibilities. Interesting how do you projects you mentor get to work out release profile and what need to done re license and notice? Or are they simple boiler plate license and notice relea

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

+1 to flagging mentor absence; and I like making it automated otherwise it's not going to happen (or rather, it'll be up to a podling to flag it and they're unlikely to feel comfortable doing so). Justin's two metrics are interesting to me as I (kinda) don't view either of those as mentor responsi

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Clutch is available at : http://incubator.apache.org/clutch/ See Mentors project section for a list of podlings and its mentors. On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 1:26 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Apr 1, 2018, at 1:15 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > > Jim Jagielski wrote on 4/1/18 10:19 AM: > > Would it be p

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

> On Apr 1, 2018, at 1:15 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > > Jim Jagielski wrote on 4/1/18 10:19 AM: >> Would it be possible to generate a short list of all current >> mentors for all current podlings to see how many podlings >> each mentor is signed up for? That would be a good metric >> to know. >

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Jim Jagielski wrote on 4/1/18 10:19 AM: > Would it be possible to generate a short list of all current > mentors for all current podlings to see how many podlings > each mentor is signed up for? That would be a good metric > to know. Presuming podlings.xml is kept updated: https://svn.apache.org

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Would it be possible to generate a short list of all current mentors for all current podlings to see how many podlings each mentor is signed up for? That would be a good metric to know. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr..

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Agree, Justin's -1 really helps and pushes SkyWalking to do right things in releasing. Thanks a lot, even we delayed our release two times (2 weeks) :) Thanks Justin. Sheng Wu ---Original--- From: "Willem Jiang" Date: Sun, Apr 1, 2018 16:17 PM To: "general"; Subj

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Yeah, it's easy to vote +1, but vote -1 take lots of time to go through the kits. To be honestly, I learned a lot of License and Notice stuff thing from Justin's -1 vote, I really appreciate that. Willem Jiang Blog: http://willemjiang.blogspot.com (English) http://jnn.iteye.com (Chin

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Hi, > As for the metric -- I really think that using mentor turnout on release > voting threads will serve us well. My concern with using that as a metric is people will just vote +1 without doing a thorough check and we may end up with more releases with issues. Possibly a better metric is how

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

. -- Sheng Wu Apache SkyWalking original creator and PPMC member -- Original -- From: "Julian Hyde"; Date: Thu, Mar 29, 2018 06:20 AM To: "general"; Subject: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors The incubator has an ongoing problem

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

+1 for taking consideration of release vote. It's quite important process of the podling. Willem Jiang Blog: http://willemjiang.blogspot.com (English) http://jnn.iteye.com (Chinese) Twitter: willemjiang Weibo: 姜宁willem On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 8:03 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On W

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Hi, On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 12:20 AM, Julian Hyde wrote: > ...Let’s add a question to the podling report template, as follows: > >> Have your mentors been helpful and responsive? If not, describe what advice >> or help >> you needed, or need:.. I like it but would phrase it slightly differently

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Thanks for raising this Julian. I agree with your take on this situation and with your proposals. -s (Sid) On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 9:47 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: > That's a fair concern. > > I think that the podling should mention in podling report if they need > help from > mentors and t

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

That's a fair concern. I think that the podling should mention in podling report if they need help from mentors and they don't have it (because the mentor is not active). Regards JB On 03/29/2018 12:20 AM, Julian Hyde wrote: > The incubator has an ongoing problem with lack of mentor engagement.

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > I think the problem is serious. I also think that signoff rate is a better > metric in practice than it seems it would be. That problem is indeed pretty serious and also pretty chronic. As for the metric -- I really think that using mentor tu

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

Hi - Inline - responses to both. > On Mar 28, 2018, at 4:15 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > > I think the problem is serious. I also think that signoff rate is a better > metric in practice than it seems it would be. I agree that it is quite serious. > > Adding the additional metric seems like a sm

Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors

I think the problem is serious. I also think that signoff rate is a better metric in practice than it seems it would be. Adding the additional metric seems like a small step that could help. Being aggressive about removing non-mentors is a very good idea. It is best if mentors remove themselves,

[DISCUSS] Absent mentors

The incubator has an ongoing problem with lack of mentor engagement. Mentors are a crucial component of the incubation process. Incubation is the time when projects learn the Apache Way, and they cannot learn in a vacuum. I’d like to discuss possible solutions to this problem. I’d like to hear f