Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5

2006-11-08 Thread David Welton

 I read through the stuff on the 3party.html page you referenced and I
 think if this does become the case there is an easy way we can handle
 it. While it may be a little inconvenient we can remove these files
 and refer to them in locations publicly available via the internet.
 This way we can refer to them, but not include them.

 Would that solve the problem?

probably

IMHO it's worth considering creating clean room implementations in the
medium term (or lobbying for an open source compatible license)


Prior to running off and rewriting the wheel, perhaps it wouldn't be a
bad idea to ask upstream if they'd care to relicense the DTD under
something very clear (BSD, for instance).  Sometimes this works, and
sometimes these sorts of negotiations are aided by having an
apache.org address.  It's usually worth a try.


mentors really need to cast their votes


+1

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Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5

2006-11-08 Thread David E Jones


On Nov 7, 2006, at 12:40 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote:


On 11/7/06, David E Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Nov 5, 2006, at 3:52 AM, robert burrell donkin wrote:

 On 11/2/06, David E Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


snip


I read through the stuff on the 3party.html page you referenced and I
think if this does become the case there is an easy way we can handle
it. While it may be a little inconvenient we can remove these files
and refer to them in locations publicly available via the internet.
This way we can refer to them, but not include them.

Would that solve the problem?


probably

IMHO it's worth considering creating clean room implementations in the
medium term (or lobbying for an open source compatible license)


 ofbiz.jar does not contain LICENSE and NOTICE in it's META-INF. so
 this jar cannot be distributed as a bare artifact. for example,  
this

 means that it cannot be distributed through the maven repository.

 do you intend to ban distribution by maven?

I'm not sure what this would/should look like, and honestly hadn't
considered the distribution of these jars through a Maven repository/
server. The ofbiz.jar isn't really of any use on its own and is just
an executable place holder that loads other stuff in OFBiz.

For distribution in Maven would every jar in OFBiz have to include
the NOTICE and LICENSE files? We could certainly do this by just
changing the ant scripts.


yes - every apache jar that is released by itself would need NOTICE
and LICENSE files


Thanks for the feedback. The OFBiz build files now all copy the  
NOTICE and LICENSE files into the META-INF directory for each jar.  
So, from now on all OFBiz jar files will include the NOTICE and  
LICENSE files to make their (re)distribution more flexible.



On a side note, is this getting in the way of the voting process for
this Test Snapshot release?


possibly

AFAIC the substantive issue is the xsd's without open source licenses
but IMHO this is a marginal case. the license is missing from the
LICENSE file.

apache has traditionally issued aggregate binary releases containing
redistributable binary components which are not open source but does
not include source under restrictive licenses. xsd's are a difficult
corner case. much better to create clean room implementations.

since this is an incubator release and there seems no substantial
legal risk i'm going to +1 but i trust that the mentors will see that
this issue is resolved before graduation.


In the case of all of these DTD/XSD files they are not frequently  
used in OFBiz and after a bit of research I was able to get all  
existing XML files pointing to files available over the internet  
instead of from/though OFBiz. I don't think this will become much of  
an issue in terms of inconvenience or making things inflexible, and  
in a way it is nice to have one less thing to keep track of in the  
resources we manage and host. So yes, these files are now removed  
from SVN and there are README files in place to describe where the  
files can be obtained, and the XML files that use them point to the  
public locations.



I've notice that no one else has really
voted on it yet.


that's not unusual. unfortunately, checking releases takes IPMC energy
which is in limited supply. i run RAT (which is quicker) but there's
still quite a deal of time talen by offering explanations.


From my own experience I totally understand and there is certainly  
no hurry on this. We'd all like to see this finished up of course and  
will be happy to do whatever we can to smooth out the process. I know  
that OFBiz is fairly large will require a good bit of time from  
anyone who reviews it.


I think this wraps up these new issues that Robert identified so that  
once this or another Test Snapshot is approved we won't have these  
delaying the OFBiz graduation.


-David



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Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5

2006-11-08 Thread robert burrell donkin

On 11/7/06, Yoav Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 11/7/06, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


snip


 AFAIC the substantive issue is the xsd's without open source licenses
 but IMHO this is a marginal case. the license is missing from the
 LICENSE file.

 apache has traditionally issued aggregate binary releases containing
 redistributable binary components which are not open source but does
 not include source under restrictive licenses. xsd's are a difficult
 corner case. much better to create clean room implementations.

So would you recommend OFBiz copy the XSD and relicense it to ASL 2.0?


definitely not: this is very wrong. in particular:

* there is no right to modify so adding a license header would be a
copyright violation
* existing copyright and license headers must be retained

a clean room implementation would mean starting from the specification
without reference t o the DTD ideally by people who had no knowledge
of the DTD

but see comments by david and david later in this thread. i'm happy
that this is know resolved and hope that OfBiz may contact the
consortium and ask about offering under a different license in future.

- robert

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Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5

2006-11-08 Thread Jacopo Cappellato

Hi Robert,

robert burrell donkin wrote:

...
but see comments by david and david later in this thread. i'm happy
that this is know resolved and hope that OfBiz may contact the
consortium and ask about offering under a different license in future.



Yes, this is something we will probably try to do in the future, even if 
it's not one of the top level priorities right now since the OFBiz's 
components that are using these files are by default not enabled (and 
they require some setup before they can really be used) and so using 
publicly available urls is fine for now.
Our top priority right now is to clear all the license issues, answer 
your questions, address your remarks so that we can graduate.


Again, thanks for your valuable feedback and comments.

Jacopo


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Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5

2006-11-07 Thread robert burrell donkin

On 11/7/06, David E Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Nov 5, 2006, at 3:52 AM, robert burrell donkin wrote:

 On 11/2/06, David E Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The OFBiz podling (PPMC and community) has reached a consensus
 internally approving the 4.0.0 TS5 test snapshot release. We are now
 requesting a vote for review and approval from the general Incubator
 group and the Incubator PMC.

 +0 ATM (i have a couple of questions)


i'm now (reluctantly) +1 (see comments below)

snip


 http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ofbiz/trunk/framework/
 workflow/dtd/xpdl.dtd
 may not be under an open source compatible license (note that
 modification is not explicitly allowed but all rights are not
 restricted). standard DTDs are a difficult subject: many licenses used
 are not open source compatible. may need to ask on legal. i think that
 a clean room implementation of the DTD from the specification under
 the apache license (if that is possible) may be easier and quicker
 than untangling the legal issues. same goes for
 http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ofbiz/trunk/framework/
 workflow/dtd/xpdl.xsd
 and http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ofbiz/trunk/framework/
 shark/dtd/TC-1025_schema_10_xpdl.xsd

 would this be possible?

I read through the stuff on the 3party.html page you referenced and I
think if this does become the case there is an easy way we can handle
it. While it may be a little inconvenient we can remove these files
and refer to them in locations publicly available via the internet.
This way we can refer to them, but not include them.

Would that solve the problem?


probably

IMHO it's worth considering creating clean room implementations in the
medium term (or lobbying for an open source compatible license)


 ofbiz.jar does not contain LICENSE and NOTICE in it's META-INF. so
 this jar cannot be distributed as a bare artifact. for example, this
 means that it cannot be distributed through the maven repository.

 do you intend to ban distribution by maven?

I'm not sure what this would/should look like, and honestly hadn't
considered the distribution of these jars through a Maven repository/
server. The ofbiz.jar isn't really of any use on its own and is just
an executable place holder that loads other stuff in OFBiz.

For distribution in Maven would every jar in OFBiz have to include
the NOTICE and LICENSE files? We could certainly do this by just
changing the ant scripts.


yes - every apache jar that is released by itself would need NOTICE
and LICENSE files


On a side note, is this getting in the way of the voting process for
this Test Snapshot release?


possibly

AFAIC the substantive issue is the xsd's without open source licenses
but IMHO this is a marginal case. the license is missing from the
LICENSE file.

apache has traditionally issued aggregate binary releases containing
redistributable binary components which are not open source but does
not include source under restrictive licenses. xsd's are a difficult
corner case. much better to create clean room implementations.

since this is an incubator release and there seems no substantial
legal risk i'm going to +1 but i trust that the mentors will see that
this issue is resolved before graduation.


I've notice that no one else has really
voted on it yet.


that's not unusual. unfortunately, checking releases takes IPMC energy
which is in limited supply. i run RAT (which is quicker) but there's
still quite a deal of time talen by offering explanations.

mentors really need to cast their votes

- robert

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Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5

2006-11-07 Thread Yoav Shapira

Hi,


On 11/7/06, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  The OFBiz podling (PPMC and community) has reached a consensus
  internally approving the 4.0.0 TS5 test snapshot release. We are now
  requesting a vote for review and approval from the general Incubator
  group and the Incubator PMC.


+1 from me.


AFAIC the substantive issue is the xsd's without open source licenses
but IMHO this is a marginal case. the license is missing from the
LICENSE file.

apache has traditionally issued aggregate binary releases containing
redistributable binary components which are not open source but does
not include source under restrictive licenses. xsd's are a difficult
corner case. much better to create clean room implementations.


So would you recommend OFBiz copy the XSD and relicense it to ASL 2.0?


since this is an incubator release and there seems no substantial
legal risk i'm going to +1 but i trust that the mentors will see that
this issue is resolved before graduation.


It's on my (very) short list of remaining OFBiz issues to handle
before calling a graduation vote.


mentors really need to cast their votes

- robert


Mine was cast on [EMAIL PROTECTED], casting here again for
clarity and ease of IPMC viewing.

Yoav

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Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5

2006-11-06 Thread David E Jones


On Nov 5, 2006, at 3:52 AM, robert burrell donkin wrote:


On 11/2/06, David E Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The OFBiz podling (PPMC and community) has reached a consensus
internally approving the 4.0.0 TS5 test snapshot release. We are now
requesting a vote for review and approval from the general Incubator
group and the Incubator PMC.


+0 ATM (i have a couple of questions)

important notes
--

(please read but IMHO action is not required for this release)

http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ofbiz/trunk/applications/ 
pos/dtd/jcl.dtd

is CPL'd. note that under this draft
http://people.apache.org/~cliffs/3party.html distribution would not be
allowed. this is draft policy ATM. may need to either create a clean
room implementation or raise issue on legal-discuss.

queries
-

http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ofbiz/trunk/framework/ 
workflow/dtd/xpdl.dtd

may not be under an open source compatible license (note that
modification is not explicitly allowed but all rights are not
restricted). standard DTDs are a difficult subject: many licenses used
are not open source compatible. may need to ask on legal. i think that
a clean room implementation of the DTD from the specification under
the apache license (if that is possible) may be easier and quicker
than untangling the legal issues. same goes for
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ofbiz/trunk/framework/ 
workflow/dtd/xpdl.xsd
and http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ofbiz/trunk/framework/ 
shark/dtd/TC-1025_schema_10_xpdl.xsd


would this be possible?


I read through the stuff on the 3party.html page you referenced and I  
think if this does become the case there is an easy way we can handle  
it. While it may be a little inconvenient we can remove these files  
and refer to them in locations publicly available via the internet.  
This way we can refer to them, but not include them.


Would that solve the problem?


ofbiz.jar does not contain LICENSE and NOTICE in it's META-INF. so
this jar cannot be distributed as a bare artifact. for example, this
means that it cannot be distributed through the maven repository.

do you intend to ban distribution by maven?


I'm not sure what this would/should look like, and honestly hadn't  
considered the distribution of these jars through a Maven repository/ 
server. The ofbiz.jar isn't really of any use on its own and is just  
an executable place holder that loads other stuff in OFBiz.


For distribution in Maven would every jar in OFBiz have to include  
the NOTICE and LICENSE files? We could certainly do this by just  
changing the ant scripts.


On a side note, is this getting in the way of the voting process for  
this Test Snapshot release? I've notice that no one else has really  
voted on it yet.


-David



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Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5

2006-11-05 Thread robert burrell donkin

On 11/2/06, David E Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The OFBiz podling (PPMC and community) has reached a consensus
internally approving the 4.0.0 TS5 test snapshot release. We are now
requesting a vote for review and approval from the general Incubator
group and the Incubator PMC.


+0 ATM (i have a couple of questions)

important notes
--

(please read but IMHO action is not required for this release)

http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ofbiz/trunk/applications/pos/dtd/jcl.dtd
is CPL'd. note that under this draft
http://people.apache.org/~cliffs/3party.html distribution would not be
allowed. this is draft policy ATM. may need to either create a clean
room implementation or raise issue on legal-discuss.

queries
-

http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ofbiz/trunk/framework/workflow/dtd/xpdl.dtd
may not be under an open source compatible license (note that
modification is not explicitly allowed but all rights are not
restricted). standard DTDs are a difficult subject: many licenses used
are not open source compatible. may need to ask on legal. i think that
a clean room implementation of the DTD from the specification under
the apache license (if that is possible) may be easier and quicker
than untangling the legal issues. same goes for
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ofbiz/trunk/framework/workflow/dtd/xpdl.xsd
and 
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ofbiz/trunk/framework/shark/dtd/TC-1025_schema_10_xpdl.xsd

would this be possible?

ofbiz.jar does not contain LICENSE and NOTICE in it's META-INF. so
this jar cannot be distributed as a bare artifact. for example, this
means that it cannot be distributed through the maven repository.

do you intend to ban distribution by maven?

- robert

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Re: How to get a source OFBiz release WAS: [VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5

2006-11-04 Thread robert burrell donkin

On 11/2/06, Jacopo Cappellato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi all,


hi Jacopo


based on past comments in this list I'd like to add that this is a
pre-built release (e.g. the objects and Derby demo database are already
set up and packaged in the distribution); we did this because it can
take up to 20 minutes (with slower hardware) to build the whole project
from scratch and this could waste too much of your (and that of the
persons that just want to give a look at it) time.


i think some confusion has arisen over the terms we use.

in apache terms, a source distribution is a plain export from the
source repository whereas a binary distribution is anything else. lots
of projects here ship binary releases with source in: just because a
release contains some source it doesn't make it a source distribution

binary distributions are mainly for the convenience of users.

source distributions target other audiences including (potential)
developers, downstream packagers and archivists. they are quick and
easy to create (all the release manager needs to do is export the tag
and compress) so it's recommended that source distributions are
produced for each release as well as any binaries.


However, if you want to play with a clean source distribution (for
example, if you want to run the RAT tool etc...), just run the
clean-all ant script: all the objects and the db will be removed.


run RAT against binary and source distributions of a release but not
very many binary checks have been automated yet.

- robert

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Re: How to get a source OFBiz release WAS: [VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5

2006-11-04 Thread David E Jones


Robert, others interested,

I'm still not sure whether or not we will want to do this going  
forward because I'm not sure how a source distribution would be used  
for a project like OFBiz. Still, if there is any demand for it then I  
agree we should do it.


However we go in the future, this would be a good thing to include in  
our Test Snapshot process, so I've added src distribution files for  
this release.


They are listed on the release page here:

http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/wAE

For convenience I'll including the URLs below as well.

Thanks again to everyone for reviewing this and for help in moving  
OFBiz through the incubation process.


-David

http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating- 
src-4.0.0.TS5.tgz
http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating- 
src-4.0.0.TS5.tgz.asc
http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating- 
src-4.0.0.TS5.tgz.md5
http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating- 
src-4.0.0.TS5.zip
http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating- 
src-4.0.0.TS5.zip.asc
http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating- 
src-4.0.0.TS5.zip.md5




On Nov 4, 2006, at 5:20 AM, robert burrell donkin wrote:


On 11/2/06, Jacopo Cappellato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi all,


hi Jacopo


based on past comments in this list I'd like to add that this is a
pre-built release (e.g. the objects and Derby demo database are  
already

set up and packaged in the distribution); we did this because it can
take up to 20 minutes (with slower hardware) to build the whole  
project

from scratch and this could waste too much of your (and that of the
persons that just want to give a look at it) time.


i think some confusion has arisen over the terms we use.

in apache terms, a source distribution is a plain export from the
source repository whereas a binary distribution is anything else. lots
of projects here ship binary releases with source in: just because a
release contains some source it doesn't make it a source distribution

binary distributions are mainly for the convenience of users.

source distributions target other audiences including (potential)
developers, downstream packagers and archivists. they are quick and
easy to create (all the release manager needs to do is export the tag
and compress) so it's recommended that source distributions are
produced for each release as well as any binaries.


However, if you want to play with a clean source distribution (for
example, if you want to run the RAT tool etc...), just run the
clean-all ant script: all the objects and the db will be removed.


run RAT against binary and source distributions of a release but not
very many binary checks have been automated yet.

- robert

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Re: How to get a source OFBiz release WAS: [VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5

2006-11-04 Thread robert burrell donkin

On 11/4/06, David E Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Robert, others interested,

I'm still not sure whether or not we will want to do this going
forward because I'm not sure how a source distribution would be used
for a project like OFBiz.


the same way it's used for any other project: as a record of the exact
source that created the binary distributions. the source is the
release. the binaries are conveniences for users.


Still, if there is any demand for it then I agree we should do it.


there's already demand from people on this list. we like source :-)

in addition, downstream packagers prefer source distributions so they
can patch and package them for their particular target platforms.

- robert

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Re: How to get a source OFBiz release WAS: [VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5

2006-11-04 Thread Justin Erenkrantz

On 11/4/06, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

the same way it's used for any other project: as a record of the exact
source that created the binary distributions. the source is the
release. the binaries are conveniences for users.


+1.  -- justin

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Re: How to get a source OFBiz release WAS: [VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5

2006-11-04 Thread Craig L Russell
Unless we change the name to open binary, I'm going to agree with  
Robert and Justin. Source releases are what we're about here.


Craig

On Nov 4, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:

On 11/4/06, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:
the same way it's used for any other project: as a record of the  
exact

source that created the binary distributions. the source is the
release. the binaries are conveniences for users.


+1.  -- justin

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Re: [VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5

2006-11-02 Thread David Welton

If I'm not mistaken, we should be just about ready to graduate OFBiz.
It's doing very nicely, and the comunity continues to grow.

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[VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5

2006-11-01 Thread David E Jones


The OFBiz podling (PPMC and community) has reached a consensus  
internally approving the 4.0.0 TS5 test snapshot release. We are now  
requesting a vote for review and approval from the general Incubator  
group and the Incubator PMC.


The current incubation docs recommend doing this sort of test  
snapshot release, and it appears from recent conversations that this  
will most likely soon be required for all podlings nearing  
graduation. Based on our experience this has been a valuable exercise  
and through these 5 tries we have made significant improvements to  
the legal and other aspects of OFBiz and eventual releases. You'll  
recognize most of this from the similar message I sent on September  
22nd for our TS3. Thanks to feedback from various people (especially  
Robert Burrell Duncan and the RAT tool) we have corrected many  
license header issues and fleshed out the NOTICE file, which are now  
both hopefully up to par.


The intent of this release is not to be something that will be  
maintained over time or used be end-users of the project, and there  
is no branch for it in SVN. Our goal with this test snapshot release  
was to create an initial release process and make sure that all of  
the artifacts are in place as needed. This includes:


- all license headers and copyright notices in place (ASL2 headers)
- no remaining old copyright notices or headers
- NOTICE, LICENSE, KEYS, et cetera files in place
- test proper zip and tgz files, plus the md5 and asc files for each
- put README file and other such things in place to make it  
(hopefully) easy for an end user to run OOTB


Based on what has been established as part of this test snapshot  
experience we plan to do a real release (version 4.0.0) after  
graduation with a branch and such that will be maintained over time  
and that is meant to be used by end-users, but those (again) are not  
the intents of this test snapshot release.


The files for the release are available in my people.apache.org  
account, see the links below for detailed locations.


-David

http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating-4.0.0.TS5.zip
http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz- 
incubating-4.0.0.TS5.zip.md5
http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz- 
incubating-4.0.0.TS5.zip.asc


http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating-4.0.0.TS5.tgz
http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz- 
incubating-4.0.0.TS5.tgz.md5
http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz- 
incubating-4.0.0.TS5.tgz.asc




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How to get a source OFBiz release WAS: [VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5

2006-11-01 Thread Jacopo Cappellato

Hi all,

based on past comments in this list I'd like to add that this is a 
pre-built release (e.g. the objects and Derby demo database are already 
set up and packaged in the distribution); we did this because it can 
take up to 20 minutes (with slower hardware) to build the whole project 
from scratch and this could waste too much of your (and that of the 
persons that just want to give a look at it) time.
However, if you want to play with a clean source distribution (for 
example, if you want to run the RAT tool etc...), just run the 
clean-all ant script: all the objects and the db will be removed.


Jacopo


David E Jones wrote:


The OFBiz podling (PPMC and community) has reached a consensus 
internally approving the 4.0.0 TS5 test snapshot release. We are now 
requesting a vote for review and approval from the general Incubator 
group and the Incubator PMC.


The current incubation docs recommend doing this sort of test snapshot 
release, and it appears from recent conversations that this will most 
likely soon be required for all podlings nearing graduation. Based on 
our experience this has been a valuable exercise and through these 5 
tries we have made significant improvements to the legal and other 
aspects of OFBiz and eventual releases. You'll recognize most of this 
from the similar message I sent on September 22nd for our TS3. Thanks to 
feedback from various people (especially Robert Burrell Duncan and the 
RAT tool) we have corrected many license header issues and fleshed out 
the NOTICE file, which are now both hopefully up to par.


The intent of this release is not to be something that will be 
maintained over time or used be end-users of the project, and there is 
no branch for it in SVN. Our goal with this test snapshot release was to 
create an initial release process and make sure that all of the 
artifacts are in place as needed. This includes:


- all license headers and copyright notices in place (ASL2 headers)
- no remaining old copyright notices or headers
- NOTICE, LICENSE, KEYS, et cetera files in place
- test proper zip and tgz files, plus the md5 and asc files for each
- put README file and other such things in place to make it (hopefully) 
easy for an end user to run OOTB


Based on what has been established as part of this test snapshot 
experience we plan to do a real release (version 4.0.0) after graduation 
with a branch and such that will be maintained over time and that is 
meant to be used by end-users, but those (again) are not the intents of 
this test snapshot release.


The files for the release are available in my people.apache.org account, 
see the links below for detailed locations.


-David

http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating-4.0.0.TS5.zip
http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating-4.0.0.TS5.zip.md5
http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating-4.0.0.TS5.zip.asc

http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating-4.0.0.TS5.tgz
http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating-4.0.0.TS5.tgz.md5
http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating-4.0.0.TS5.tgz.asc



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