No... Knowing Noel, he was not opening anything. He was speaking to
general principles about how the Incubator works.
+1
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Doug,
As Greg and others have pointed out, none of this really matters, but since,
you did ask for some examples, I can think of two immediately:
1) As Dim's pointed out, when CXF entered the incubator, it obviously
conflicted directly with Axis2. Many ideas were the same. Many of the
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 04:34, Doug Meil doug.m...@explorysmedical.com wrote:
re: overlap
This is the there are multiple webservers in ASF counter-argument -
except that ones that exist are in two different languages (Apache WS and
Tomcat). The point I made in my email is that if a 3rd
Doug Meil wrote:
I think that the ASF and ASF incubator leadership should consider it a
priority to foster such communication.
We do. I, in particular, tend to do it --- and have on occassion been
criticized for trying to foster project collaboration and/or merger.
BUT ...
The Incubator
Hi there-
I thought the email chain prompted by my questions had a gracious and
productive ending several days ago, but if you would like to start this up
again, ok.
re: turf is being infringed
It's funny that you said that, because according to the other emails on
Accumulo in the past week
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 22:34, Doug Meil doug.m...@explorysmedical.com wrote:
Hi there-
I thought the email chain prompted by my questions had a gracious and
productive ending several days ago, but if you would like to start this up
again, ok.
No... Knowing Noel, he was not opening
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 3:27 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
Doug Meil,
SNIP
Lots of incubator proposals come from groups of people with little or
no prior track record at Apache or in Open Source at all. The point of
incubation is to give them a chance to either learn how
I am writing to state my concerns with the Accumulo Incubator proposal, the
HBase copy/clone.
1) “Accumulo has been in development since spring 2008.”
I don’t fault anybody for being scared of HBase in 2008 – you’d have to be
pretty brave to use it then. HBase 0.20 was the first release to
Doug, I was criticizing my message, not yours in that respect. which
should have been clear from the comment justifying.
On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:07 PM, Doug Meil doug.m...@explorysmedical.com wrote:
Greetings Benson,
re: top-posting is generally less than ideal
It's funny that you would say
On 9/6/2011 10:07 PM, Doug Meil wrote:
...snip...
I'll let the other HBase team members speak for themselves, but my request
to ASF is that if somebody proposes something that nearly exactly like an
existing ASF project, and it's implemented in the same language, and it
even copies their code -
On 9/6/2011 9:56 PM, Doug Meil wrote:
Re: Highlander
Greatest movie ever.
Don't forget the sequel!
Highlander: There Should Have Been Only One
But in terms of incubator proposals, technical competition is fine.
- Shane
+1 to that. Holy smokes, that second one really sucked. :-)
On 9/7/11 8:55 AM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote:
On 9/6/2011 9:56 PM, Doug Meil wrote:
Re: Highlander
Greatest movie ever.
Don't forget the sequel!
Highlander: There Should Have Been Only One
But in
Thanks for the feedback folks.
I would caution that it is not possible to simultaneously optimize for
both of these goals...
1) Community over code
2) Competition is good
... as both will be lost. Particularly where the latter contains the
absence of inter-project communication, and
I think that the ASF and ASF incubator leadership should consider it a
priority to foster such communication. And this means asking the
questions I asked before, e.g,. you guys are trying to do the same thing
as... Have you talked them? Consider it Open-Source Project
Parenting.
FWIW,
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Adam P Fuchs adam.p.fu...@ugov.gov wrote:
...Furthermore, I believe that having both projects be part of ASF gives us
more of an opportunity to collaborate going forwards. Whether we find that
there are enough competing ideas to support two top level projects,
On Wednesday, September 7, 2011 1:34:20 PM, Stack st...@duboce.net wrote:
I agree w/ Doug that 'unlikely to' is not a correct characterization.
Would the following alteration be more accurate?
It may be possible to incorporate the desired features of Accumulo into HBase.
However, the amount
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Billie J Rinaldi
billie.j.rina...@ugov.gov wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2011 1:34:20 PM, Stack st...@duboce.net wrote:
I agree w/ Doug that 'unlikely to' is not a correct characterization.
Would the following alteration be more accurate?
It may be
Folks,
A bit of back story of a slightly similar situation before. We have
had Axis/Axis2 projects in Apache for a long time and along came the
XFire proposal (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CeltiXfireProposal)
and we had the same kind of discussions as i see here.
Flash forward, Both Axis2
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Davanum Srinivas dava...@gmail.com wrote:
Folks,
A bit of back story of a slightly similar situation before. We have
had Axis/Axis2 projects in Apache for a long time and along came the
XFire proposal (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CeltiXfireProposal)
and
On Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:14:26 PM, Stack st...@duboce.net wrote:
From my perspective, that is more the case though your second sentence
above comes across as a setup for our not integrating.
How about this?
It may be possible to incorporate the desired features of Accumulo into HBase.
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Billie J Rinaldi
billie.j.rina...@ugov.gov wrote:
How about this?
It may be possible to incorporate the desired features of Accumulo into
HBase. However, the amount of work required would slow development of HBase
and Accumulo considerably. We believe this
Sounds great!
-- dims
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Billie J Rinaldi
billie.j.rina...@ugov.gov wrote:
On Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:14:26 PM, Stack st...@duboce.net wrote:
From my perspective, that is more the case though your second sentence
above comes across as a setup for our not
Thanks Phil, much appreciated.
On 9/7/11 12:19 PM, Phillip Rhodes motley.crue@gmail.com wrote:
I think that the ASF and ASF incubator leadership should consider it a
priority to foster such communication. And this means asking the
questions I asked before, e.g,. you guys are trying
I am writing to state my concerns with the Accumulo Incubator proposal, the
HBase copy/clone.
1) “Accumulo has been in development since spring 2008.”
I don’t fault anybody for being scared of HBase in 2008 – you’d have to be
pretty brave to use it then. HBase 0.20 was the first release to
Doug Meil,
Top-posting is generally less than idea, but I want to respond to the
overall theme of your message, not to individual points and sentences.
The attitude of various chunks of the US government to Open Source has
changed radically over the last few years. What would have been
, 2011 8:06 PM
Subject: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern
I am writing to state my concerns with the Accumulo Incubator proposal, the
HBase copy/clone.
1) “Accumulo has been in development since spring 2008.”
I don’t fault anybody for being scared of HBase in 2008 – you’d have
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 8:06 PM
Subject: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern
I am writing to state my concerns with the Accumulo Incubator proposal,
the HBase copy/clone.
1) ³Accumulo has been in development since spring 2008.²
I don¹t fault anybody for being scared
Greetings Benson,
re: top-posting is generally less than ideal
It's funny that you would say that, because there was a 17 message
email-chain about Accumulo this past weekend that you participated in, and
I noticed that you didn't tell any of those people that posting on this
dist-list was a
Hello Doug,
I appreciate your concerns, and I would like to try to provide some context
that might help you understand why we think the ASF is the right place for
Accumulo.
Benson is correct that the Accumulo developers have historically not been
authorized to participate in public
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