Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-05 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Feb 3, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Hi Jim, On Feb 3, 2012, at 5:55 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: [...snip...] So that's 7 of 9 board members that are on the Incubator PMC, and a good chance they are here now, and reading this. What do Board members think? IPMC

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-05 Thread Ross Gardler
Jim, I think you have expressed my concerns perfectly. Mentors care for the podlings. Someone has to care for the mentors. Not all mentors need help, not all podlings need help. We should provide *support* all the way down for when it is needed. We should not confuse interference with support.

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 00:58, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: ... And to be honest, even if you (Bill) or the board folks think that there should be an Incubation VP, are you willing to at least try it my way, and then if all hell breaks loose, simply add the role

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Benson Margulies
It seems to me that the proposed new scheme will take quite a bit of setting up. There is some writing to do. More to the point, if I were the board, I would want to pilot the new scheme for some time before tearing down the existing incubator. All of this looks to me like more than 2 months. A

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Sam Ruby
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 4:44 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 00:58, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: ... And to be honest, even if you (Bill) or the board folks think that there should be an Incubation VP, are you willing to at least

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:58 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#incubator-pmc Shane [check] Doug [check] Roy [no] Jim [check] Brett [check] Larry [no] Sam [check] Greg [check] So that's 7 of 9 board members that are on the Incubator

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Sam Ruby
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that the proposed new scheme will take quite a bit of setting up. There is some writing to do. More to the point, if I were the board, I would want to pilot the new scheme for some time before tearing

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Daniel, On Feb 3, 2012, at 1:29 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote on Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 20:20:26 -0800: Thanks Christian. I'll accept, thanks for your kind words, and for those of Marvin and Joe, and the comments from Benson and others. I will note that

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Greg, On Feb 3, 2012, at 1:44 AM, Greg Stein wrote: On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 00:58, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: ... And to be honest, even if you (Bill) or the board folks think that there should be an Incubation VP, are you willing to at least try it my

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Benson, On Feb 3, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: It seems to me that the proposed new scheme will take quite a bit of setting up. There is some writing to do. More to the point, if I were the board, I would want to pilot the new scheme for some time before tearing down the

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Sam, On Feb 3, 2012, at 5:50 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 4:44 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 00:58, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: ... And to be honest, even if you (Bill) or the board folks think that there

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Jim, On Feb 3, 2012, at 5:55 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: [...snip...] So that's 7 of 9 board members that are on the Incubator PMC, and a good chance they are here now, and reading this. What do Board members think? IPMC hats on? Great. Board hats on? Great too. Would be great to get

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Sam Ruby
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: On Feb 3, 2012, at 5:50 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: What I care most about is addressed by this proposal: that there be an identified person to which feedback can be directed for each report. Sure, I get

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hey Sam, On Feb 3, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: On Feb 3, 2012, at 5:50 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: What I care most about is addressed by this proposal: that there be an identified person to

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 2/3/2012 8:07 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that the proposed new scheme will take quite a bit of setting up. There is some writing to do. More to the point, if I were the board, I would want to pilot the

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
On Feb 3, 2012, at 10:24 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 2/3/2012 8:07 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: [...snippage...] I just don't think it is realistic to imagine that in 60 days from some near-term board meeting, we can set up this new plan, debug it, and transition the existing clutch. While

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Doug Cutting
On 02/02/2012 09:58 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: What do Board members think? IPMC hats on? Great. Board hats on? Great too. Would be great to get opinions now rather than have to wait. I like the simplicity of erasing the layer of management that is the Incubator. The board is a

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 3, 2012 4:27 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Hi Greg, On Feb 3, 2012, at 1:44 AM, Greg Stein wrote: On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 00:58, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Ross, On Feb 3, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 3, 2012 4:27 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Hi Greg, On Feb 3, 2012, at 1:44 AM, Greg Stein wrote: On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Ross Gardler
On 4 February 2012 01:47, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: On Feb 3, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: On Feb 3, 2012 4:27 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: ... if you'll recall Jim's message to the members in the past 2

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 2/3/2012 8:41 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: Lets not forget that the model referred to *included* the IPMC. The IPMC once had a useful function, it was a safety net for fledgling communities. The IPMC never served that purpose. Projects were scuttled even in its first year. The IPMC served to

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-02 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Thanks Christian. I'll accept, thanks for your kind words, and for those of Marvin and Joe, and the comments from Benson and others. I will note that should I be elected into this role, I will state that I don't intend to be in it very long as I don't intend for it to exist much longer. Should

RE: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-02 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Chris, I will note that should I be elected into this role, I will state that I don't intend to be in it very long as I don't intend for it to exist much longer. I spoke with Bill this evening, and have indicated to him that I'd like for you and he to already start working on the re-org

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-02 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 2/2/2012 10:20 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Thanks Christian. I'll accept, thanks for your kind words, and for those of Marvin and Joe, and the comments from Benson and others. I will note that should I be elected into this role, I will state that I don't intend to be in it

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-02 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Noel, On Feb 2, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Chris, I will note that should I be elected into this role, I will state that I don't intend to be in it very long as I don't intend for it to exist much longer. I spoke with Bill this evening, and have indicated to him that

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-02 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 2/2/2012 11:38 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: However, please note that the re-org still has a position that is at least analogous. You would not be getting off so easily. ;-) :) Nope, it doesn't actually. Please read the thread carefully. That is what is being suggested by Bill

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-02 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hey Bill, On Feb 2, 2012, at 9:37 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 2/2/2012 11:38 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: However, please note that the re-org still has a position that is at least analogous. You would not be getting off so easily. ;-) :) Nope, it doesn't actually. Please

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-02 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Bill, On Feb 2, 2012, at 9:32 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 2/2/2012 10:20 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Thanks Christian. I'll accept, thanks for your kind words, and for those of Marvin and Joe, and the comments from Benson and others. I will note that should I be

Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-01 Thread Christian Grobmeier
We have already 2 good nominations for the IPMC chair role, Noel and Benson. I would like add a new name and nominate Chris Mattman as the IPMC chair. He does care deeply on the incubator and expresses my feelings in many ways. In addition he is a damn nice guy with many ideas. Cheers Christian

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-01 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 12:16:22AM +0100, Christian Grobmeier wrote: I would like add a new name and nominate Chris Mattman as the IPMC chair. He does care deeply on the incubator and expresses my feelings in many ways. In addition he is a damn nice guy with many ideas. Mattmann has been a

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-01 Thread Joe Schaefer
+1! From: Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:20 PM Subject: Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair) On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-01 Thread Benson Margulies
don't we also have jukka? On Feb 1, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: We have already 2 good nominations for the IPMC chair role, Noel and Benson. I would like add a new name and nominate Chris Mattman as the IPMC chair. He does care deeply on the incubator and

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-01 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: don't we also have jukka? Jukka expressed (to be found somewhere in the archives) he does not need additonal workload at the moment. In addition he is already JackRabbit Chair, not sure, but I think 2 chair roles are

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-01 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 2/1/2012 6:52 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: don't we also have jukka? Jukka expressed (to be found somewhere in the archives) he does not need additonal workload at the moment. In addition he is already