Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-24 Thread Thilo Goetz
Niclas Hedhman wrote: [...] b) I can't say that I understand the technical merits of the proposal, and just see the headline analyzing large data sets. And I would like to know the relationship with UIMA's statement ... analyze large volumes of unstructured information... and hear whether

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-24 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Olga Natkovich wrote: Hi, Yahoo! research and development teams have developed a proposal below. The proposal is also available on wiki at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal. We would like to ask that the ASF consider forming a podling according to the proposal. High-level

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-24 Thread Jim Jagielski
I am a +1 on the proposal, but I am still unclear, at this point, how Y! is going to align the open source aspects of Pig with their hiring push for Pig developers as per: http://research.yahoo.com/project/pig I guess this is more a general concern about the changing dynamics. First, of

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-24 Thread Grant Ingersoll
On Sep 24, 2007, at 4:44 AM, Sylvain Wallez wrote: Olga Natkovich wrote: Hi, Yahoo! research and development teams have developed a proposal below. The proposal is also available on wiki at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal. We would like to ask that the ASF consider forming a

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-24 Thread Doug Cutting
Niclas Hedhman wrote: a) The name Pig is somewhat provocative (not kosher/halal) and I would like to hear the rationale behind the name, and whether there are any willingness to look for another name. It is not meant to be provocative. It is named after the animal and is not an acronym. It

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-24 Thread Craig L Russell
Speaking just for myself, I find the name unusual but not offensive or even provocative. The fact that you wouldn't eat an animal doesn't mean you deny its existence... Of course, I thought the language was officially called igpay atinlay. Craig On Sep 24, 2007, at 10:15 AM, Doug Cutting

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-24 Thread Eelco Hillenius
On 9/24/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking just for myself, I find the name unusual but not offensive or even provocative. The fact that you wouldn't eat an animal doesn't mean you deny its existence... And they make good pets in many cultures and are generally acknowledged

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-24 Thread Andrus Adamchik
On Sep 24, 2007, at 8:22 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: Speaking just for myself, I find the name unusual but not offensive or even provocative. The fact that you wouldn't eat an animal doesn't mean you deny its existence... +1 I find it a fun name, and the one unlikely to infringe on the

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-24 Thread Doug Cutting
Jim Jagielski wrote: In other words, if the corporate support of the project or podling went away, would they stop developing and working on the codebase because they, after all, had no allegiance in the code at all? Were they, in effect, coders-for-hire? Yes, this is a known risk, perhaps the

RE: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Doug Cutting wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: a) The name Pig is somewhat provocative (not kosher/halal) and I would like to hear the rationale behind the name, and whether there are any willingness to look for another name. It is not meant to be provocative. It is named after the animal

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-24 Thread Benjamin Reed
Actually we would really like to modify Ruby and Python to support Pig Latin as part of the language: Ubyray and Ythonpay. We have avoided creating our own crippled scripting language, there are just too many in the world, and instead hope to take an existing language and and embedded Pig Latin

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-24 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hey, On 9/24/07, Doug Cutting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: a) The name Pig is somewhat provocative (not kosher/halal) and I would like to hear the rationale behind the name, and whether there are any willingness to look for another name. It is not meant to be

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-24 Thread Carl Trieloff
We could add rules indefinitely to make just about anyone not usable... I don't have any issues with Pig. Carl. Yoav Shapira wrote: Hey, On 9/24/07, Doug Cutting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: a) The name Pig is somewhat provocative (not kosher/halal) and I

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-24 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Doug Cutting wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: a) The name Pig is somewhat provocative (not kosher/halal) and I would like to hear the rationale behind the name, and whether there are any willingness to look for another name. It is not meant to be provocative. It is named after the animal and

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-24 Thread Greg Stein
I don't find the name provocative either, but the connotations are a bit weird :-P On Sep 24, 2007, at 10:39 AM, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Cutting wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: a) The name Pig is somewhat provocative (not kosher/halal) and I would like to hear the

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-24 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On 9/24/07, Doug Cutting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Jagielski wrote: In other words, if the corporate support of the project or podling went away, would they stop developing and working on the codebase because they, after all, had no allegiance in the code at all? Were they, in

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-24 Thread Doug Cutting
Olga Natkovich wrote: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal. We would like to ask that the ASF consider forming a podling according to the proposal. Thanks for all the comments. I've seen no issues raised that should block Pig from entering incubation. Unless something arises before

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-23 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 19 September 2007 03:52, Olga Natkovich wrote: We would like to ask that the ASF consider forming a podling according to the proposal. +1, but I also got a couple of observations. a) The name Pig is somewhat provocative (not kosher/halal) and I would like to hear the rationale

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-23 Thread Brian McCallister
+1 -- I'd offer to help as much as I can, but I know how little that is right now :-( Definitely support (and will probably use at least ;-) -Brian On Sep 18, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Olga Natkovich wrote: Hi, Yahoo! research and development teams have developed a proposal below. The

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 9/18/07, Olga Natkovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...We would like to ask that the ASF consider forming a podling according to the proposal +1 to the proposal, and I'd be happy to help as a mentor. -Bertrand - To

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-21 Thread Petar Tahchiev
+1 from me, too. It looks very promising. :-) On 9/21/07, Bertrand Delacretaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/18/07, Olga Natkovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...We would like to ask that the ASF consider forming a podling according to the proposal +1 to the proposal, and I'd be happy

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-21 Thread Jim Hurley
+1 -Jim On Sep 18, 2007, at 3:52 PM, Olga Natkovich wrote: Hi, Yahoo! research and development teams have developed a proposal below. The proposal is also available on wiki at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal. We would like to ask

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-20 Thread Leo Simons
On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:52 PM, Olga Natkovich wrote: Yahoo! research and development teams have developed a proposal below. The proposal is also available on wiki at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal. We would like to ask that the ASF

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-20 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On 9/20/07, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:52 PM, Olga Natkovich wrote: Yahoo! research and development teams have developed a proposal below. The proposal is also available on wiki at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-20 Thread Torsten Curdt
On 20.09.2007, at 19:06, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: On 9/20/07, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:52 PM, Olga Natkovich wrote: Yahoo! research and development teams have developed a proposal below. The proposal is also available on wiki at

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-20 Thread Doug Cutting
Torsten Curdt wrote: +1 Actually I would also be interested in stepping up as a mentor. Thanks, that'd be great! Please add yourself to the proposal in the wiki. Doug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-20 Thread Otis Gospodnetic
Big +1! :) Otis . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Simpy -- http://www.simpy.com/ - Tag - Search - Share - Original Message From: Olga Natkovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 3:52:23 PM Subject:

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-20 Thread Torsten Curdt
Done! On 20.09.2007, at 19:46, Doug Cutting wrote: Torsten Curdt wrote: +1 Actually I would also be interested in stepping up as a mentor. Thanks, that'd be great! Please add yourself to the proposal in the wiki. Doug -

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-18 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hey, On 9/18/07, Olga Natkovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoo! research and development teams have developed a proposal below. The proposal is also available on wiki at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal Looks very cool to me. +1 to accepting Pig as an Incubator project. I'll

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-18 Thread Doug Cutting
Garrett Rooney wrote: Is there any particular reason you want this podling to be sponsored by the Incubator PMC (which is generally done for projects that intend to turn into their own top level project) rather than having it sponsored by the Lucene PMC (where Hadoop currently resides)? It

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-18 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hey, On 9/18/07, Doug Cutting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: overlap a bit, but, to the primary folks involved, it feels like a separate community and they'd prefer to aim for a TLP. It should be clear to everyone involved, though, that part of the goal of incubation is to diversify the project's

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-18 Thread Lawrence Mandel
that plans to graduate and join the WS PMC. [1] http://incubator.apache.org/woden/ Lawrence Garrett Rooney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/18/2007 04:02 PM Please respond to general@incubator.apache.org To general@incubator.apache.org cc Subject Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-18 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 9/18/07, Lawrence Mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any particular reason you want this podling to be sponsored by the Incubator PMC (which is generally done for projects that intend to turn into their own top level project) Is this true? I thought all new projects had to go through

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-18 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 9/18/07, Olga Natkovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Yahoo! research and development teams have developed a proposal below. The proposal is also available on wiki at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PigProposal. We would like to ask that the

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-18 Thread Ted Dunning
+1 as well. I would be happy to help with code contributions and user testing. Yoav Shapira-2 wrote: Hey, On 9/18/07, Olga Natkovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoo! research and development teams have developed a proposal below. The proposal is also available on wiki at

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-18 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 9/18/07, Doug Cutting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Garrett Rooney wrote: Is there any particular reason you want this podling to be sponsored by the Incubator PMC (which is generally done for projects that intend to turn into their own top level project) rather than having it sponsored by

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-18 Thread Doug Cutting
Garrett Rooney wrote: (if anything it seems like a new TLP associated with hadoop and generic distributed computing tools like pig that are built on top of hadoop seems like it would make more sense than just a pig TLP), Yes, I agree. But that's not happened yet, and the Pig folks are ready

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-18 Thread Doug Cutting
Yoav Shapira wrote: It should be clear to everyone involved, though, that part of the goal of incubation is to diversify the project's community so that it's not disjoint from everyone else. I hope to have a bunch of non-Yahoo people contributing to the project. Indeed. That's the primary

Re: Incubator Proposal: Pig

2007-09-18 Thread Craig L Russell
On Sep 18, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Doug Cutting wrote: Garrett Rooney wrote: (if anything it seems like a new TLP associated with hadoop and generic distributed computing tools like pig that are built on top of hadoop seems like it would make more sense than just a pig TLP), Yes, I agree. But