Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-05 Thread André Schnabel
Hi Jim, Am 03.06.2011 21:35, schrieb Jim Jagielski: Agreed. And that's why I suggested that that would be an excellent initial part of cooperation between the ASF and TDF, where they could provide the build/distribution. Maybe a stupid question, but what should TDF actually build and distrib

RE: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-04 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
ward whatever the vision for LibreOffice 4.0 happens to be. -Original Message- From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:j...@jagunet.com] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 12:36 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache

Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 09:29:23PM +0100, Simon Phipps wrote: > I'm also suggesting it's > /such/ a big deal for the open source community at large that > openoffice.orgresolve to a working and current site without > interruption that it deserves > a mention (preferably a plan - yes, unusual for an

Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Jun 3, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > >> > >> On Jun 3, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > >> > >>> I am not even thinking of suggesting it, any more than I wo

Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > >> >> On Jun 3, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: >> >>> I am not even thinking of suggesting it, any more than I would dream of >> telling TDF they have to switch to another license.

Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Benson Margulies
> One main, significant difference between TDF and the ASF > is that the ASF just releases source; TDF fills a *huge* > and important part of the entire OOo end-user experience. > I sincerely hope this is an easy to agree to. This is a concise capture of a critical point. TDF could decide to igno

Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Jun 3, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > > I am not even thinking of suggesting it, any more than I would dream of > telling TDF they have to switch to another license. But I do believe there's > a need to focus *in the proposal*

Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > I am not even thinking of suggesting it, any more than I would dream of > telling TDF they have to switch to another license. But I do believe there's > a need to focus *in the proposal* on exactly how to sustain the consumer > deliverable from

Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Sam Ruby
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > >> And I offer a personal apology to Simon... > > Accepted - apologies if my strong reaction to the unexpected news at the > start of the week on offended you. All come on now. Unless are referring to a the female portion of the canine fami

Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > >> And I offer a personal apology to Simon... > > Accepted - apologies if my strong reaction to the unexpected news at the > start of the week on offended you. Accepted as well.

Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On 3 Jun 2011, at 19:47, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > >> >> More than that, I'd like to see it as an objective to facilitate this >> collaboration. There's too much talk of just giving up and treating >> ideological division as a given... >> > >

Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: > > Which is exactly why I say "we are where we are" and we should deal with it > even if it is to agree to disagree on some things. Can we work together and > resolve issues so that people can enjoy using FOSS office software? That is > really the fu

Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Ian Lynch
On 3 June 2011 19:47, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > > > > More than that, I'd like to see it as an objective to facilitate this > > collaboration. There's too much talk of just giving up and treating > > ideological division as a given... > Well, the

Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > More than that, I'd like to see it as an objective to facilitate this > collaboration. There's too much talk of just giving up and treating > ideological division as a given... > Well, the ASF develops and releases software under the AL... th

Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Sam Ruby
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin < > robertburrelldon...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Andreas Kuckartz >> wrote: >> > Am 02.06.2011 18:09, schrieb Jukka Zitting: >> >> I wouldn't be too quick to t

Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin < robertburrelldon...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Andreas Kuckartz > wrote: > > Am 02.06.2011 18:09, schrieb Jukka Zitting: > >> I wouldn't be too quick to throw away this opportunity to reunite the > > related communit

Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 14:27, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin > wrote: >> >> What might be reasonably hoped for is that the ASF could act as an >> upstream for GPLv3 office product(s) with a reunited community >> spanning these projects (as widely as ideolo

Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Sam Ruby
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > > What might be reasonably hoped for is that the ASF could act as an > upstream for GPLv3 office product(s) with a reunited community > spanning these projects (as widely as ideologically possible). I would > definitely like to see the

Re: "opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Andreas Kuckartz wrote: > Am 02.06.2011 18:09, schrieb Jukka Zitting: >> I wouldn't be too quick to throw away this opportunity to reunite the > related communities. >> >> If the differences truly are insurmountable, I'd like to see that >> explained in the proposal

"opportunity to reunite the related communities" Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-02 Thread Andreas Kuckartz
Am 02.06.2011 18:09, schrieb Jukka Zitting: > I wouldn't be too quick to throw away this opportunity to reunite the related communities. > > If the differences truly are insurmountable, I'd like to see that > explained in the proposal before we vote on it. +1 (not binding) Cheers, Andreas -