Re: Notice of intent.... #2

2006-01-10 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, robert burrell donkin wrote: On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 10:20 -0800, Martin Cooper wrote: On 1/10/06, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * Groups exist. These are categorically not subprojects, but a way to allow for slicing of the website etc. Some groups may have the

Re: Notice of intent.... #2

2006-01-10 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 10:20 -0800, Martin Cooper wrote: > On 1/10/06, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > As a second email in the Notice of intent series; here's what I think > > being a Jakarta component will be like in the future. > > > > * Jakarta is a collection of components.

Re: Jakarta subproject-package system

2006-01-10 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Wed, 2005-12-28 at 09:55 -0100, jan meskens wrote: > Hello Henri, > > I was looking to these page : > http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/charter.html > > Maybe that's the wrong page for these info... . not wrong probably just a little confusing the jakarta commons charter encapsulates the opi

Re: comments on a project

2006-01-10 Thread Will Glass-Husain
Others may disagree, but personally, I always liked the Maverick MVC framework. It's very simple, has no excess baggage. I've found it a good approach to MVC for those new to the concept. You might take a quick look. http://mav.sourceforge.com As an aside, also check out the Velocity projec

RE: comments on a project

2006-01-10 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> At first I tried to use JSP without any framework or taglib. In > contrast to templates JSP doesn't help much on seperating logic > and html code Please see the JSP 2.0 Specification for Tag Files. Tags are your friends, and Tag Files make them easy to write. > And I could not get used to the

[Jakarta Wiki] Update of "JakartaBoardReport-March2006" by MartinCooper

2006-01-10 Thread Apache Wiki
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Re: Going to TLP report

2006-01-10 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Henri Yandell wrote: Just to update. On Fri, 6 Jan 2006, Henri Yandell wrote: Just to report on my push for subprojects to move to TLP. I've hassled 6 subprojects so far: * Slide: +1 (for a long time) though not very active which is why it's not moved. Prodded. Maybe an

Re: Notice of intent.... #2

2006-01-10 Thread Martin Cooper
On 1/10/06, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As a second email in the Notice of intent series; here's what I think > being a Jakarta component will be like in the future. > > * Jakarta is a collection of components. Hopefully all sitting at the same > level. ie) a big bag of things. >

Re: Notice of intent.... #2

2006-01-10 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Martin van den Bemt wrote: Almost completely +1. One thing first : http://java.apache.org, redirects to archive.apache.org, while I still know people that are think java stuff stuff on apache.org is happening there, so maybe a redirect to a more friendly page could take

Re: Notice of intent.... #2

2006-01-10 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Almost completely +1. One thing first : http://java.apache.org, redirects to archive.apache.org, while I still know people that are think java stuff stuff on apache.org is happening there, so maybe a redirect to a more friendly page could take place there ? (though this could be something for i

Re: Notice of intent.... #2

2006-01-10 Thread Will Glass-Husain
Hi Henri, Mostly agree with all your responses. I want to emphasize though that Jakarta has two entry points for users * People coming finding a general "Java @ Apache" resource. (which the reorg helps) * People looking for a specific resource after reading about it, hearing word-of-mouth,

Re: Notice of intent.... #2

2006-01-10 Thread Henri Yandell
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Will Glass-Husain wrote: Thanks, Henri. My feedback. Thanks, very useful stuff. * Generally positive with an aversion to anything involving significant work for the sake of a "cleaner Jakarta". By this I mean that I like the idea of a flatter hierarchy and a clearer

Re: Notice of intent.... #2

2006-01-10 Thread Will Glass-Husain
Thanks, Henri. My feedback. * Generally positive with an aversion to anything involving significant work for the sake of a "cleaner Jakarta". By this I mean that I like the idea of a flatter hierarchy and a clearer message to the public as to what Jakarta is about. As I noted on the Velocit

Re: comments on a project

2006-01-10 Thread Dennis Kempin
Hello Ortwin, * You mention "problems with JSP". What are they? At first I tried to use JSP without any framework or taglib. In contrast to templates JSP doesn't help much on seperating logic and html code, because you still need comparatively much code to iterate over Lists, or print out s

Re: comments on a project

2006-01-10 Thread Ortwin Glück
Dennis, I don't want to discourage you. But I fail to see any of the following: * You mention "problems with JSP". What are they? * Which frameworks do you mean and what's the problem with them? * What does you framework make better? * Why do you invent a proprietary XML scripting facility? JSTL

comments on a project

2006-01-10 Thread Dennis Kempin
Hello, I had been programming dynamic Websites with PHP the last few years until I discovered Java, and all its advantages. But I had many problems migrating to JSP, and tried many frameworks until I gave up and created an own framework, that is easy to use even for ex-PHP developer (Target

Notice of intent.... #2

2006-01-10 Thread Henri Yandell
As a second email in the Notice of intent series; here's what I think being a Jakarta component will be like in the future. * Jakarta is a collection of components. Hopefully all sitting at the same level. ie) a big bag of things. * Groups exist. These are categorically not subprojects, but

Re: Going to TLP report

2006-01-10 Thread Henri Yandell
Just to update. On Fri, 6 Jan 2006, Henri Yandell wrote: Just to report on my push for subprojects to move to TLP. I've hassled 6 subprojects so far: * Slide: +1 (for a long time) though not very active which is why it's not moved. Prodded. * Tapestry: They were +1 early last