[Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Hi All,

I'm pleased to finally propose the SuperXMailer for Jakarta via the 
incubator.  I'd like for the Jakarta PMC/committers to vote a tacit 
approval of the project before we work on acceptance into the 
incubator.  I'm sure that despite the inevitable controversy, folks will 
see a true value in this project and its active community.  
Unfortunately the source repository and mail archives are down at the 
moment, but I'm sure they'll be restored soon.

Note that there is also something strange with the bug database.  We now 
have email deobfuscation which defeats schemes like 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and such, as well as acoliver at apache 
dot org.  No worries, the mail will be harvested and get through!

Thanks for your consideration.  Please feel free to submit your vote in 
advance.

-Andy

http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?SuperXMailerProposal

[0] rationale

SuperXMailer, the project hosted at 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/superxmailer/ is a tool for harvesting 
email addresses from web pages and mail lists, storing them in any 
database or XML file, and sending them email addresses. It features 
opt-out lists, email verification and much more.

The project is the creation of a number of Apache committers and is run 
as a meritocratic community-developed project.

Presently the CVS repository and mail lists are down (as of 3/30), but 
we have opened up a support request and will have it up again soon. 

[0.1] criteria

Meritocracy:  SuperXMailer follows the Apache meritocracy rules, with a 
core of committers including ASF members.

Community:  SuperXMailer has a modest, but very active community.  Its 
users are very pleased with its performance and capture capabillities.

Core Developers.  SuperXMailer has an active and dedicated team of 
committers.  The project was founded by Andrew C. Oliver, who is 
extremely dedicated to SuperXMailer and authored the majority of the 
codebase.  Nicola Ken Barrozzi and Glen Stampoultzis are frequent 
contributors of components and bug fixes as well as some significant 
extensions.  Sam Ruby has offered to provide Web Services extensions via 
Axis.

Alignment:  SuperXMailer makes use of Lucene, POI, Struts, Velocity, 
Turbine, Xerces, Tomcat and Xalan.

Scope:  SuperXMailer is entirely a server-side application, well aligned 
with the overall goals of the Jakarta project.

[1] scope of subproject

The project shall create and maintain packages written in the Java 
programming language constituting the framework, management tools, 
search/database and mailer, a standard library of additional components, 
documentation, a web site and additional examples.

[2] identify the initial source from which the project is to be populated

The project currently resides on the SourceForge (http://tapestry.sf.net).

[3] identify the Jakarta resources to be created

[3.1] mailing lists(s)

superx-user
superx-dev
[3.2] CVS repositories

jakarta-superx

[3.3] Bugzilla

framework - superx
components - web site, contrib library, documentation, examples
[3.4] Wiki

The SuperXMailer developers would like to make use of the ApacheWiki in 
order to facillitate the admittedly spartan documentation.  However, its 
extremely easy to use.  Many Apache committers have received mail from 
persons using it with great results. 

[4] identify the initial set of committers  (Any Jakarta commmitter is 
welcome to add their name here)

Andrew C. Oliver

Nicola Ken Barrozzi

Glen Stampoultzis

[5] identify apache sponsoring individuals (Any Apache member is welcome 
to add their name here)

Andrew C. Oliver

Nicola Ken Barrozzi



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Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Steven Noels
On 1/04/2003 22:03 Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

I'm pleased to finally propose the SuperXMailer for Jakarta via the 
incubator.
:-D

Nice one!

/Steven
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Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Erik Price


Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Hi All,

I'm pleased to finally propose the SuperXMailer for Jakarta via the 
incubator.  I'd like for the Jakarta PMC/committers to vote a tacit 
approval of the project before we work on acceptance into the 
incubator.  I'm sure that despite the inevitable controversy, folks will 
see a true value in this project and its active community.  
+1 if I could just think of a BUSINESS PROPOSAL that could put this to 
use

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Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Henri Yandell



On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:


 On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 03:21 PM, Tom Copeland wrote:

 
  +1 if I could just think of a BUSINESS PROPOSAL that could put this to
  use
 
  Let me help you get started:
 
  Hello honored sir, my name is Mkwila Mnembi, and I am the former
  king

 You get kings?  Mine tend to be the wives of deceased Ministers of
 Petroleum or something...

 I think we need to pay attention to the day of the year here...

I got my first Iraqi one the other day. I've been telling myself for years
now that I ought to have a map online which shows the countries I've
gotten them from.

I'm +1 to Andrew's proposal. I think it is terrible that there is not an
enterprise class open source solution in this field. All those poor
businessmen, using hacked together solutions or proprietary technologies.

Hen


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Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Tom Copeland
 I'm +1 to Andrew's proposal. I think it is terrible that there is not an
 enterprise class open source solution in this field. All those poor
 businessmen, using hacked together solutions or proprietary technologies.
 

To make success inevitable, let's start by drawing a bunch of UML
diagrams!

tom


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RE: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Danny Angus
Nice one, made my day :-)
d.

 -Original Message-
 From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 01 April 2003 21:03
 To: Jakarta General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Proposal] SuperXMailer
 
 
 Hi All,
 
 I'm pleased to finally propose the SuperXMailer for Jakarta via the 
 incubator.  I'd like for the Jakarta PMC/committers to vote a tacit 
 approval of the project before we work on acceptance into the 
 incubator.  I'm sure that despite the inevitable controversy, folks will 
 see a true value in this project and its active community.  
 Unfortunately the source repository and mail archives are down at the 
 moment, but I'm sure they'll be restored soon.
 
 Note that there is also something strange with the bug database.  We now 
 have email deobfuscation which defeats schemes like 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] and such, as well as acoliver at apache 
 dot org.  No worries, the mail will be harvested and get through!
 
 Thanks for your consideration.  Please feel free to submit your vote in 
 advance.
 
 -Andy
 
 http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?SuperXMailerProposal
 
 [0] rationale
 
 SuperXMailer, the project hosted at 
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/superxmailer/ is a tool for harvesting 
 email addresses from web pages and mail lists, storing them in any 
 database or XML file, and sending them email addresses. It features 
 opt-out lists, email verification and much more.
 
 The project is the creation of a number of Apache committers and is run 
 as a meritocratic community-developed project.
 
 Presently the CVS repository and mail lists are down (as of 3/30), but 
 we have opened up a support request and will have it up again soon. 
 
 [0.1] criteria
 
 Meritocracy:  SuperXMailer follows the Apache meritocracy rules, with a 
 core of committers including ASF members.
 
 Community:  SuperXMailer has a modest, but very active community.  Its 
 users are very pleased with its performance and capture capabillities.
 
 Core Developers.  SuperXMailer has an active and dedicated team of 
 committers.  The project was founded by Andrew C. Oliver, who is 
 extremely dedicated to SuperXMailer and authored the majority of the 
 codebase.  Nicola Ken Barrozzi and Glen Stampoultzis are frequent 
 contributors of components and bug fixes as well as some significant 
 extensions.  Sam Ruby has offered to provide Web Services extensions via 
 Axis.
 
 Alignment:  SuperXMailer makes use of Lucene, POI, Struts, Velocity, 
 Turbine, Xerces, Tomcat and Xalan.
 
 Scope:  SuperXMailer is entirely a server-side application, well aligned 
 with the overall goals of the Jakarta project.
 
 [1] scope of subproject
 
 The project shall create and maintain packages written in the Java 
 programming language constituting the framework, management tools, 
 search/database and mailer, a standard library of additional components, 
 documentation, a web site and additional examples.
 
 [2] identify the initial source from which the project is to be populated
 
 The project currently resides on the SourceForge (http://tapestry.sf.net).
 
 [3] identify the Jakarta resources to be created
 
 [3.1] mailing lists(s)
 
 superx-user
 superx-dev
 
 [3.2] CVS repositories
 
 jakarta-superx
 
 [3.3] Bugzilla
 
 framework - superx
 components - web site, contrib library, documentation, examples
 
 [3.4] Wiki
 
 The SuperXMailer developers would like to make use of the ApacheWiki in 
 order to facillitate the admittedly spartan documentation.  However, its 
 extremely easy to use.  Many Apache committers have received mail from 
 persons using it with great results. 
 
 [4] identify the initial set of committers  (Any Jakarta commmitter is 
 welcome to add their name here)
 
 Andrew C. Oliver
 
 Nicola Ken Barrozzi
 
 Glen Stampoultzis
 
 [5] identify apache sponsoring individuals (Any Apache member is welcome 
 to add their name here)
 
 Andrew C. Oliver
 
 Nicola Ken Barrozzi
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Interested in being a committer?  Just add your name!

Steven Noels wrote:

On 1/04/2003 22:03 Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

I'm pleased to finally propose the SuperXMailer for Jakarta via the 
incubator.


:-D

Nice one!

/Steven




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Re: XDoclet2@Jakarta and LGPL libraries.

2003-04-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Can you get Mark Wutka to state that his LGPL explicitly permits linking 
and that section 6 of the LGPL does not apply to end users, etc etc?  Is 
he the copyright holder?

If so than you should be good to go (from my understanding).  (As the 
copyright holder he can explicitly address the issues that are of concern)

Aslak Helles√ły wrote:

Hi!

As you might know, the XDoclet team is preparing for Jakarta membership (for
XDoclet 2), and we're trying to sort out some political issues before we do
so. (You can read about XDoclet 2 on TSS today).
XDoclet 2 needs a DTD parser, and the only decent (actually great) DTD
parser we have found is Mark Wutka's DTDParser
(http://www.wutka.com/dtdparser.html). It's LGPL. I've heard that LGPL is a
no-no for Jakarta projects. Would XDoclet's depending on Wutka's DTDParser
(with its current license) rule out our possibilities for Jakarta
membership?
(As a side note, we're depending on a dozen Jakarta (commons) libraries).

Cheers,
Aslak
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Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver


To make success inevitable, let's start by drawing a bunch of UML
diagrams!
 

And we need to work on implementing a CMM process for opensource.   The 
SDLC seems like an excellent way to do that.  If we can get developers 
working along the SDLC, I think we could get a more repeatable 
development process.  Far superior to standard opensource stuff! ;-)

-Andy

tom

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RE: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Howard M. Lewis Ship
eb site and additional examples.
 
 [2] identify the initial source from which the project is to 
 be populated
 
 The project currently resides on the SourceForge 
(http://tapestry.sf.net).

My wife says I sometimes code in my sleep.  Now I know what I've been up-to
:-)

Gotta watch that cut-n-paste!


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Re: XDoclet2@Jakarta and LGPL libraries.

2003-04-01 Thread Henri Yandell

Is this reply FAQ/Wiki'd somewhere?

Seems to me to be a good set of questions to ask of an LGPL project to
cause happiness all around. Assuming it's okay with the powers that be,
boards/committees/usuals.

Hen

On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

 Can you get Mark Wutka to state that his LGPL explicitly permits linking
 and that section 6 of the LGPL does not apply to end users, etc etc?  Is
 he the copyright holder?

 If so than you should be good to go (from my understanding).  (As the
 copyright holder he can explicitly address the issues that are of concern)

 Aslak Helles√ły wrote:

 Hi!
 
 As you might know, the XDoclet team is preparing for Jakarta membership (for
 XDoclet 2), and we're trying to sort out some political issues before we do
 so. (You can read about XDoclet 2 on TSS today).
 
 XDoclet 2 needs a DTD parser, and the only decent (actually great) DTD
 parser we have found is Mark Wutka's DTDParser
 (http://www.wutka.com/dtdparser.html). It's LGPL. I've heard that LGPL is a
 no-no for Jakarta projects. Would XDoclet's depending on Wutka's DTDParser
 (with its current license) rule out our possibilities for Jakarta
 membership?
 
 (As a side note, we're depending on a dozen Jakarta (commons) libraries).
 
 Cheers,
 Aslak
 
 
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Re: XDoclet2@Jakarta and LGPL libraries.

2003-04-01 Thread Sam Ruby
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Can you get Mark Wutka to state that his LGPL explicitly permits linking 
and that section 6 of the LGPL does not apply to end users, etc etc?  Is 
he the copyright holder?

If so than you should be good to go (from my understanding).  (As the 
copyright holder he can explicitly address the issues that are of concern)
Andy, are you stating that in your legal opinion a verbal agreement 
superceedes a written license?

How are your dicussions with Richard Stallman going?

- Sam Ruby

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Re: XDoclet2@Jakarta and LGPL libraries.

2003-04-01 Thread Henri Yandell


On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Sam Ruby wrote:

 Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
  Can you get Mark Wutka to state that his LGPL explicitly permits linking
  and that section 6 of the LGPL does not apply to end users, etc etc?  Is
  he the copyright holder?
 
  If so than you should be good to go (from my understanding).  (As the
  copyright holder he can explicitly address the issues that are of concern)

 Andy, are you stating that in your legal opinion a verbal agreement
 superceedes a written license?

A verbal [email] agreement from the copyright owner? :)

It would be so nice if something nice and simple could be used to stop
LGPL pain.

 How are your dicussions with Richard Stallman going?

How much are ringside tickets?


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Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Costin Manolache
You did actually create a sourceforge project for this joke ? 


Costin


Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 I'm pleased to finally propose the SuperXMailer for Jakarta via the
 incubator.  I'd like for the Jakarta PMC/committers to vote a tacit
 approval of the project before we work on acceptance into the
 incubator.  I'm sure that despite the inevitable controversy, folks will
 see a true value in this project and its active community.
 Unfortunately the source repository and mail archives are down at the
 moment, but I'm sure they'll be restored soon.
 
 Note that there is also something strange with the bug database.  We now
 have email deobfuscation which defeats schemes like
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] and such, as well as acoliver at apache
 dot org.  No worries, the mail will be harvested and get through!
 
 Thanks for your consideration.  Please feel free to submit your vote in
 advance.
 
 -Andy
 
 http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?SuperXMailerProposal
 
 [0] rationale
 
 SuperXMailer, the project hosted at
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/superxmailer/ is a tool for harvesting
 email addresses from web pages and mail lists, storing them in any
 database or XML file, and sending them email addresses. It features
 opt-out lists, email verification and much more.
 
 The project is the creation of a number of Apache committers and is run
 as a meritocratic community-developed project.
 
 Presently the CVS repository and mail lists are down (as of 3/30), but
 we have opened up a support request and will have it up again soon.
 
 [0.1] criteria
 
 Meritocracy:  SuperXMailer follows the Apache meritocracy rules, with a
 core of committers including ASF members.
 
 Community:  SuperXMailer has a modest, but very active community.  Its
 users are very pleased with its performance and capture capabillities.
 
 Core Developers.  SuperXMailer has an active and dedicated team of
 committers.  The project was founded by Andrew C. Oliver, who is
 extremely dedicated to SuperXMailer and authored the majority of the
 codebase.  Nicola Ken Barrozzi and Glen Stampoultzis are frequent
 contributors of components and bug fixes as well as some significant
 extensions.  Sam Ruby has offered to provide Web Services extensions via
 Axis.
 
 Alignment:  SuperXMailer makes use of Lucene, POI, Struts, Velocity,
 Turbine, Xerces, Tomcat and Xalan.
 
 Scope:  SuperXMailer is entirely a server-side application, well aligned
 with the overall goals of the Jakarta project.
 
 [1] scope of subproject
 
 The project shall create and maintain packages written in the Java
 programming language constituting the framework, management tools,
 search/database and mailer, a standard library of additional components,
 documentation, a web site and additional examples.
 
 [2] identify the initial source from which the project is to be populated
 
 The project currently resides on the SourceForge (http://tapestry.sf.net).
 
 [3] identify the Jakarta resources to be created
 
 [3.1] mailing lists(s)
 
 superx-user
 superx-dev
 
 [3.2] CVS repositories
 
 jakarta-superx
 
 [3.3] Bugzilla
 
 framework - superx
 components - web site, contrib library, documentation, examples
 
 [3.4] Wiki
 
 The SuperXMailer developers would like to make use of the ApacheWiki in
 order to facillitate the admittedly spartan documentation.  However, its
 extremely easy to use.  Many Apache committers have received mail from
 persons using it with great results.
 
 [4] identify the initial set of committers  (Any Jakarta commmitter is
 welcome to add their name here)
 
 Andrew C. Oliver
 
 Nicola Ken Barrozzi
 
 Glen Stampoultzis
 
 [5] identify apache sponsoring individuals (Any Apache member is welcome
 to add their name here)
 
 Andrew C. Oliver
 
 Nicola Ken Barrozzi



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RE: XDoclet2@Jakarta and LGPL libraries.

2003-04-01 Thread Aslak Hellesoy
I just got an answer from Mark.

So I guess it should be ok without further ado. Pleas let me know if it
ain't.

Cheers,
Aslak

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Wutka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 2. april 2003 00:24
 To: Aslak Hellesoy
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and LGPL libraries.


 Hi Aslak (and James),
   Sorry I have been so slow with this, but I just put out a DTDParser
 1.21 that has a dual-license. You can either use the old LGPL license or
 an Apache-style license (pretty much cutpaste of the Apache license).
 Let me know if you have any questions, concerns or if I forgot something
 important. The only difference between 1.20 and 1.21 is the licensing
 change.
Mark



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Re: XDoclet2@Jakarta and LGPL libraries.

2003-04-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Sam Ruby wrote:

Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

Can you get Mark Wutka to state that his LGPL explicitly permits 
linking and that section 6 of the LGPL does not apply to end users, 
etc etc?  Is he the copyright holder?

If so than you should be good to go (from my understanding).  (As the 
copyright holder he can explicitly address the issues that are of 
concern)


Andy, are you stating that in your legal opinion a verbal agreement 
superceedes a written license?
state did not intend verbal.  I was intending this would be something 
similar to what the classpath folks do.  (which extends the rights in 
the GPL)  In any case, I took this information from a conversation with 
Brian B on the open licensing list.  If this goes further, I'll look the 
up the email.  I asked this question in regards to the Trove project and 
that was Brian's answer to me.

How are your dicussions with Richard Stallman going?
Good point.  I'll write him real soon.  Didn't get a reply from Eben M.  
I'll try the nice ways and networking first.

-Andy

- Sam Ruby

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Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
:-D  I created the sourceforge project months and months ago!  With full 
disclosure as to its purpose.

-Andy

Costin Manolache wrote:

You did actually create a sourceforge project for this joke ? 

Costin

Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

 

Hi All,

I'm pleased to finally propose the SuperXMailer for Jakarta via the
incubator.  I'd like for the Jakarta PMC/committers to vote a tacit
approval of the project before we work on acceptance into the
incubator.  I'm sure that despite the inevitable controversy, folks will
see a true value in this project and its active community.
Unfortunately the source repository and mail archives are down at the
moment, but I'm sure they'll be restored soon.
Note that there is also something strange with the bug database.  We now
have email deobfuscation which defeats schemes like
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and such, as well as acoliver at apache
dot org.  No worries, the mail will be harvested and get through!
Thanks for your consideration.  Please feel free to submit your vote in
advance.
-Andy

http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?SuperXMailerProposal

[0] rationale

SuperXMailer, the project hosted at
http://sourceforge.net/projects/superxmailer/ is a tool for harvesting
email addresses from web pages and mail lists, storing them in any
database or XML file, and sending them email addresses. It features
opt-out lists, email verification and much more.
The project is the creation of a number of Apache committers and is run
as a meritocratic community-developed project.
Presently the CVS repository and mail lists are down (as of 3/30), but
we have opened up a support request and will have it up again soon.
[0.1] criteria

Meritocracy:  SuperXMailer follows the Apache meritocracy rules, with a
core of committers including ASF members.
Community:  SuperXMailer has a modest, but very active community.  Its
users are very pleased with its performance and capture capabillities.
Core Developers.  SuperXMailer has an active and dedicated team of
committers.  The project was founded by Andrew C. Oliver, who is
extremely dedicated to SuperXMailer and authored the majority of the
codebase.  Nicola Ken Barrozzi and Glen Stampoultzis are frequent
contributors of components and bug fixes as well as some significant
extensions.  Sam Ruby has offered to provide Web Services extensions via
Axis.
Alignment:  SuperXMailer makes use of Lucene, POI, Struts, Velocity,
Turbine, Xerces, Tomcat and Xalan.
Scope:  SuperXMailer is entirely a server-side application, well aligned
with the overall goals of the Jakarta project.
[1] scope of subproject

The project shall create and maintain packages written in the Java
programming language constituting the framework, management tools,
search/database and mailer, a standard library of additional components,
documentation, a web site and additional examples.
[2] identify the initial source from which the project is to be populated

The project currently resides on the SourceForge (http://tapestry.sf.net).

[3] identify the Jakarta resources to be created

[3.1] mailing lists(s)

superx-user
superx-dev
[3.2] CVS repositories

jakarta-superx

[3.3] Bugzilla

framework - superx
components - web site, contrib library, documentation, examples
[3.4] Wiki

The SuperXMailer developers would like to make use of the ApacheWiki in
order to facillitate the admittedly spartan documentation.  However, its
extremely easy to use.  Many Apache committers have received mail from
persons using it with great results.
[4] identify the initial set of committers  (Any Jakarta commmitter is
welcome to add their name here)
Andrew C. Oliver

Nicola Ken Barrozzi

Glen Stampoultzis

[5] identify apache sponsoring individuals (Any Apache member is welcome
to add their name here)
Andrew C. Oliver

Nicola Ken Barrozzi
   



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Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
You've spent months planning an April Fool's joke?

On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 08:12 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

:-D  I created the sourceforge project months and months ago!  With 
full disclosure as to its purpose.

-Andy

Costin Manolache wrote:

You did actually create a sourceforge project for this joke ?

Costin

Andrew C. Oliver wrote:


Hi All,

I'm pleased to finally propose the SuperXMailer for Jakarta via the
incubator.  I'd like for the Jakarta PMC/committers to vote a tacit
approval of the project before we work on acceptance into the
incubator.  I'm sure that despite the inevitable controversy, folks 
will
see a true value in this project and its active community.
Unfortunately the source repository and mail archives are down at the
moment, but I'm sure they'll be restored soon.

Note that there is also something strange with the bug database.  We 
now
have email deobfuscation which defeats schemes like
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and such, as well as acoliver at 
apache
dot org.  No worries, the mail will be harvested and get through!

Thanks for your consideration.  Please feel free to submit your vote 
in
advance.

-Andy

http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?SuperXMailerProposal

[0] rationale

SuperXMailer, the project hosted at
http://sourceforge.net/projects/superxmailer/ is a tool for 
harvesting
email addresses from web pages and mail lists, storing them in any
database or XML file, and sending them email addresses. It features
opt-out lists, email verification and much more.

The project is the creation of a number of Apache committers and is 
run
as a meritocratic community-developed project.

Presently the CVS repository and mail lists are down (as of 3/30), 
but
we have opened up a support request and will have it up again soon.

[0.1] criteria

Meritocracy:  SuperXMailer follows the Apache meritocracy rules, 
with a
core of committers including ASF members.

Community:  SuperXMailer has a modest, but very active community.  
Its
users are very pleased with its performance and capture 
capabillities.

Core Developers.  SuperXMailer has an active and dedicated team of
committers.  The project was founded by Andrew C. Oliver, who is
extremely dedicated to SuperXMailer and authored the majority of the
codebase.  Nicola Ken Barrozzi and Glen Stampoultzis are frequent
contributors of components and bug fixes as well as some significant
extensions.  Sam Ruby has offered to provide Web Services extensions 
via
Axis.

Alignment:  SuperXMailer makes use of Lucene, POI, Struts, Velocity,
Turbine, Xerces, Tomcat and Xalan.
Scope:  SuperXMailer is entirely a server-side application, well 
aligned
with the overall goals of the Jakarta project.

[1] scope of subproject

The project shall create and maintain packages written in the Java
programming language constituting the framework, management tools,
search/database and mailer, a standard library of additional 
components,
documentation, a web site and additional examples.

[2] identify the initial source from which the project is to be 
populated

The project currently resides on the SourceForge 
(http://tapestry.sf.net).

[3] identify the Jakarta resources to be created

[3.1] mailing lists(s)

superx-user
superx-dev
[3.2] CVS repositories

jakarta-superx

[3.3] Bugzilla

framework - superx
components - web site, contrib library, documentation, examples
[3.4] Wiki

The SuperXMailer developers would like to make use of the ApacheWiki 
in
order to facillitate the admittedly spartan documentation.  However, 
its
extremely easy to use.  Many Apache committers have received mail 
from
persons using it with great results.

[4] identify the initial set of committers  (Any Jakarta commmitter 
is
welcome to add their name here)

Andrew C. Oliver

Nicola Ken Barrozzi

Glen Stampoultzis

[5] identify apache sponsoring individuals (Any Apache member is 
welcome
to add their name here)

Andrew C. Oliver

Nicola Ken Barrozzi



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Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Its april fools day? 

I spent 5 minutes, months ago...

-Andy

Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:

You've spent months planning an April Fool's joke?

On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 08:12 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

:-D  I created the sourceforge project months and months ago!  With 
full disclosure as to its purpose.

-Andy

Costin Manolache wrote:

You did actually create a sourceforge project for this joke ?

Costin

Andrew C. Oliver wrote:


Hi All,

I'm pleased to finally propose the SuperXMailer for Jakarta via the
incubator.  I'd like for the Jakarta PMC/committers to vote a tacit
approval of the project before we work on acceptance into the
incubator.  I'm sure that despite the inevitable controversy, folks 
will
see a true value in this project and its active community.
Unfortunately the source repository and mail archives are down at the
moment, but I'm sure they'll be restored soon.

Note that there is also something strange with the bug database.  
We now
have email deobfuscation which defeats schemes like
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and such, as well as acoliver at 
apache
dot org.  No worries, the mail will be harvested and get through!

Thanks for your consideration.  Please feel free to submit your 
vote in
advance.

-Andy

http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?SuperXMailerProposal

[0] rationale

SuperXMailer, the project hosted at
http://sourceforge.net/projects/superxmailer/ is a tool for harvesting
email addresses from web pages and mail lists, storing them in any
database or XML file, and sending them email addresses. It features
opt-out lists, email verification and much more.
The project is the creation of a number of Apache committers and is 
run
as a meritocratic community-developed project.

Presently the CVS repository and mail lists are down (as of 3/30), but
we have opened up a support request and will have it up again soon.
[0.1] criteria

Meritocracy:  SuperXMailer follows the Apache meritocracy rules, 
with a
core of committers including ASF members.

Community:  SuperXMailer has a modest, but very active community.  Its
users are very pleased with its performance and capture capabillities.
Core Developers.  SuperXMailer has an active and dedicated team of
committers.  The project was founded by Andrew C. Oliver, who is
extremely dedicated to SuperXMailer and authored the majority of the
codebase.  Nicola Ken Barrozzi and Glen Stampoultzis are frequent
contributors of components and bug fixes as well as some significant
extensions.  Sam Ruby has offered to provide Web Services 
extensions via
Axis.

Alignment:  SuperXMailer makes use of Lucene, POI, Struts, Velocity,
Turbine, Xerces, Tomcat and Xalan.
Scope:  SuperXMailer is entirely a server-side application, well 
aligned
with the overall goals of the Jakarta project.

[1] scope of subproject

The project shall create and maintain packages written in the Java
programming language constituting the framework, management tools,
search/database and mailer, a standard library of additional 
components,
documentation, a web site and additional examples.

[2] identify the initial source from which the project is to be 
populated

The project currently resides on the SourceForge 
(http://tapestry.sf.net).

[3] identify the Jakarta resources to be created

[3.1] mailing lists(s)

superx-user
superx-dev
[3.2] CVS repositories

jakarta-superx

[3.3] Bugzilla

framework - superx
components - web site, contrib library, documentation, examples
[3.4] Wiki

The SuperXMailer developers would like to make use of the 
ApacheWiki in
order to facillitate the admittedly spartan documentation.  
However, its
extremely easy to use.  Many Apache committers have received mail from
persons using it with great results.

[4] identify the initial set of committers  (Any Jakarta commmitter is
welcome to add their name here)
Andrew C. Oliver

Nicola Ken Barrozzi

Glen Stampoultzis

[5] identify apache sponsoring individuals (Any Apache member is 
welcome
to add their name here)

Andrew C. Oliver

Nicola Ken Barrozzi



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Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Ben Walding
All,

In order to minimise the possibility of brand overloading or brand 
segmentation I propose that we introduce the standard community building 
techniques. 

So to this end I propose the immediate creation of
* a wiki to capture all this valuable discussion
* a set of blogs so that members of the team can interact and display 
their internal thought processes and avoid venting their opinions in a 
non-constructive manner (eg. on irc)

With these community building channels in place, it will only be a 
matter of time before we @ jakarta can say
Let the good code roll

(I see some people are referring to this as a joke?  I fail to see the 
amusing side.  Email harvesting is an important feature that may also 
aid in community building. We can harvest the names of users that have 
referred to jakarta products and then subscribe them (for free - 
initially) to an announcement list). This is called value-adding in 
the commercial world. Some of you communist coding hippies may not have 
heard of this.

Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

:-D  I created the sourceforge project months and months ago!  With 
full disclosure as to its purpose.

-Andy

Costin Manolache wrote:

You did actually create a sourceforge project for this joke ?

Costin

Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

 

Hi All,

I'm pleased to finally propose the SuperXMailer for Jakarta via the
incubator.  I'd like for the Jakarta PMC/committers to vote a tacit
approval of the project before we work on acceptance into the
incubator.  I'm sure that despite the inevitable controversy, folks 
will
see a true value in this project and its active community.
Unfortunately the source repository and mail archives are down at the
moment, but I'm sure they'll be restored soon.

Note that there is also something strange with the bug database.  We 
now
have email deobfuscation which defeats schemes like
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and such, as well as acoliver at apache
dot org.  No worries, the mail will be harvested and get through!

Thanks for your consideration.  Please feel free to submit your vote in
advance.
-Andy

http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?SuperXMailerProposal

[0] rationale

SuperXMailer, the project hosted at
http://sourceforge.net/projects/superxmailer/ is a tool for harvesting
email addresses from web pages and mail lists, storing them in any
database or XML file, and sending them email addresses. It features
opt-out lists, email verification and much more.
The project is the creation of a number of Apache committers and is run
as a meritocratic community-developed project.
Presently the CVS repository and mail lists are down (as of 3/30), but
we have opened up a support request and will have it up again soon.
[0.1] criteria

Meritocracy:  SuperXMailer follows the Apache meritocracy rules, with a
core of committers including ASF members.
Community:  SuperXMailer has a modest, but very active community.  Its
users are very pleased with its performance and capture capabillities.
Core Developers.  SuperXMailer has an active and dedicated team of
committers.  The project was founded by Andrew C. Oliver, who is
extremely dedicated to SuperXMailer and authored the majority of the
codebase.  Nicola Ken Barrozzi and Glen Stampoultzis are frequent
contributors of components and bug fixes as well as some significant
extensions.  Sam Ruby has offered to provide Web Services extensions 
via
Axis.

Alignment:  SuperXMailer makes use of Lucene, POI, Struts, Velocity,
Turbine, Xerces, Tomcat and Xalan.
Scope:  SuperXMailer is entirely a server-side application, well 
aligned
with the overall goals of the Jakarta project.

[1] scope of subproject

The project shall create and maintain packages written in the Java
programming language constituting the framework, management tools,
search/database and mailer, a standard library of additional 
components,
documentation, a web site and additional examples.

[2] identify the initial source from which the project is to be 
populated

The project currently resides on the SourceForge 
(http://tapestry.sf.net).

[3] identify the Jakarta resources to be created

[3.1] mailing lists(s)

superx-user
superx-dev
[3.2] CVS repositories

jakarta-superx

[3.3] Bugzilla

framework - superx
components - web site, contrib library, documentation, examples
[3.4] Wiki

The SuperXMailer developers would like to make use of the ApacheWiki in
order to facillitate the admittedly spartan documentation.  However, 
its
extremely easy to use.  Many Apache committers have received mail from
persons using it with great results.

[4] identify the initial set of committers  (Any Jakarta commmitter is
welcome to add their name here)
Andrew C. Oliver

Nicola Ken Barrozzi

Glen Stampoultzis

[5] identify apache sponsoring individuals (Any Apache member is 
welcome
to add their name here)

Andrew C. Oliver

Nicola Ken Barrozzi
  




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Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 2003/4/1 6:08 PM, Ben Walding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is called value-adding in
 the commercial world. Some of you communist coding hippies may not have
 heard of this.

Of course there is no value in open source since it is all free. =)

-jon

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