Re: Opening up the PMC
+1 -- Yea, I know, it's not a vote, but it's binding anyway ;) I like this idea. IMHO, private@ probably should only be used to discuss things that truly should not be public. As I just mentioned on an entirely different list with a somewhat related topic, one thing we might do, in cases where there might be some embarrassing remarks would be to send a I'm about to nominate Henri Yandell as a committer in 3 days, speak now or shut up laterymmv ;) -- James Mitchell 678.910.8017 On Aug 8, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: Being on a PMC means two actionable things. Firstly, you get a binding vote; and secondly, you can subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - a list which should be pretty quiet (mostly it's just vote results now - would be nice to move those to this list). The purpose of the binding vote is that that allows you to perform oversight on behalf of the foundation - it's not me making a release, it's the foundation. That's all there is. It's nothing special, just that we can yay or nay something. There's not even any paperwork beyond the board ack email. Given that - why do we have committers and pmc members? Why do we have people in our community who have been accepted as committers and are happily churning code, but are not allowed a binding vote? It's definitely not because we have an enormously low bar of entry to being a committer. My view is that we shouldn't keep wasting our time on such a separation. There is no danger at all (given our size) to having a new committer immediately join the PMC, and there are notable benefits in that we don't have to keep remembering to add people to the pmc (which we really suck at doing) and we'll have a more open environment (which we all like right?). Also we won't have second class citizens who have to yet again sit and wait while their elders remember to nominate them as an elder. What do people think to the following: 1) Every existing committer not on the pmc receives an email asking if they would like to join the pmc. Once that email is sent they are marked in a file as having had the email sent and we can wash our hands until a reply comes in. 2) Every new committer automatically gets added to the pmc. --- I bring it up because the concept has cropped up elsewhere at the ASF and given our large non-pmc to pmc ratio I think we'll have a lot of strong views on the subject. Hen (Yeah, I recognize that the above is flamebait if we have any strong opinions out there. Hopefully it'll stay constructive :) ) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tiles as the seed for Jakarta Web Components
I believe that this would be a great way to bootstrap this new community. If this were a formal vote, then I, as both a Struts PMC and a Jakarta PMC member, would throw a binding +1 your way. -- James Mitchell On Apr 24, 2006, at 11:56 PM, Martin Cooper wrote: There has been considerable discussion, on this list and others, about the creation of a Jakarta Web Components sub-project (also previously known as Jakarta Silk). I believe the concensus has been in favour of creating it. However, we seemed to get bogged down, several times, in discussions of the name, or of exactly which pieces of Jakarta Commons, Jakarta Taglibs, etc., should move to the new sub-project. Meanwhile, over at Struts, we have had a number of discussions about the future of Tiles[1], currently a Struts sub-project. We have been working hard to make Tiles independent of Struts, and are close to achieving that goal. With Tiles no longer depending on Struts, it makes little sense for it to remain a part of the Struts project. In fact, it is much more likely to flourish outside of Struts. The proposal, then, is to create the Jakarta Web Components sub- project, and make Tiles the first citizen of that sub-project. This simultaneously achieves several objectives: 1) We actually get started with the Jakarta Web Components sub- project. 2) We can defer discussion of which other parts of Jakarta move there. 3) We create a logical home for the now-Struts-independent Tiles. While Tiles is a powerful templating framework, it is actually a fairly small code base, making it a good candidate for an independent web component. It is still being developed, so we would not be seeding Jakarta Web Components with a dormant component. Several of the Struts committers (many of whom are already Jakarta committers) would come here to continue working on Tiles, and to help build the Jakarta Web Components sub- project. Once Jakarta Web Components is up and running, it would, of course, be up to the various communities surrounding Commons and Taglibs components, and potentially other Jakarta sub-projects, as to whether or not they choose to join the new sub-project. The goal of this proposal is simply to seed the sub-project and get the ball rolling. Comments? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone else affected by wiki spam bots?
We have had a few instances on our (Struts) wiki as well. -- James Mitchell On Apr 12, 2006, at 5:06 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: At the moment, this is the only report I've seen. Howard also mentioned it to infrastructure. So these wiki bots know how to create accounts and sign into them for spamming? --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Name for commons-like area for web
I like Components the best (Jakarta Web Components). Apparently so does Sun (e.g. SCWCD). To me, Parts sounds like what I need when my car breaks down. And brick reminds me of a funny insult that was going around the net for a while: http://forums.modemhelp.net/viewtopic.php?t=4161 -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist Consulting / Mentoring / Freelance EdgeTech, Inc. http://www.edgetechservices.net/ 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: jmitchtx - Original Message - From: Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List general@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 2:22 PM Subject: Name for commons-like area for web There doesn't seem to be a thread for this The current suggestions are: Commons Web Jakarta Web Parts for Java (JWP4J) Web App Commons Web App Components Web App Modules Web Bricks Web Commons Web Components Web Libs Web Parts Web Tools Weblets Of these, WebParts has issues with Microsoft, so I would suggest we avoid it. Weblets was also used by IBM back in 2000, so could have issues. The most obvious would be CommonsWeb or WebCommons, as the general user community could link the concept to commons easily enough. However, there is a danger that it could be confusing precisely because of that. Thus, my current top three are: - WebLibs - WebCommons - WebBricks but I can still be persuaded. We do need to decide this though. Only then can mailing list discussion move off jakarta general and coding get started. Stephen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat - TLP
+1 (Jakarta PMC Member) -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist Consulting / Mentoring / Freelance EdgeTech, Inc. 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx Yahoo: jmitchtx MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List general@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:12 PM Subject: Re: Tomcat - TLP +1 -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist Consulting / Mentoring / Freelance EdgeTech, Inc. 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx Yahoo: jmitchtx MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ian F. Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: general@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:36 PM Subject: VOTE: Tomcat - TLP As has been discussed on this list on tomcat-dev, the Tomcat people are interested in moving up. Attached please find a Resolution to this effect from the proposed new Tomcat PMC to the Board. This is a binding procedural vote to be decided by a simple majority of those eligible and casting votes (as per http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html). All current members of the Jakarta PMC have binding votes. Since this involves creation of a new project I believe we should give people a week to vote; votes must therefore be registered by midnight Eastern time on Wednesday, 13 April 2005. At that point we will tally the votes and, if the vote is in the affirmative, forward the Resolutions to the Board. The question: I vote in support of the proposal to move Tomcat to an Apache Top Level Project as detailed in the attached Resolution. [ ] +1 Vote in support [ ] 0 Abstain [ ] -1 Vote against Thanks. Ian Darwin --- Draft TLP Resolution --- Establish the Apache Tomcat Project WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to the implementation of the Java Servlet and Java Server Pages specifications, for distribution at no charge to the public. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache Tomcat PMC, be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Tomcat PMC be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to creation and maintenance of open-source software related to the implementation of the Java Servlet and Java Server Pages specifications based on software licensed to the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, Apache Tomcat be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Tomcat PMC, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Tomcat PMC; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Tomcat PMC: Jean-Francois Arcand ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Bill Barker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Kin-man Chung ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Jean-Frederic Clere ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Ian Darwin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Tim Funk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Henri Gomez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Filip Hanik ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Larry Isaacs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Jim Jagielski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Jan Luehe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Costin Manolache ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Remy Maucherat ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Kurt Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Glenn Nielsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Amy Roh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Peter Rossbach ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Yoav Shapira ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Mark Thomas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Mladen Turk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Keith Wannamaker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Remy Maucherat be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Tomcat, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Tomcat PMC be and hereby is tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and increased participation in the Apache Tomcat Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Tomcat PMC be and hereby is tasked with the migration and rationalization
Re: Has this been brought up before?
Was that a tumble weed that just blew by? -- James Mitchell - Original Message - From: Chris Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:15 PM Subject: Has this been brought up before? I was wondering if anyone has brought up the idea of a Tomcat like clone that supports ASP.NET. Would this be a possible project for Jakarta? Regards, Chris Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.compiledmonkey.com http://www.compiledmonkey.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Forum Software.
-Original Message- From: Henri Yandell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:41 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: Forum Software. So the suggestion is: All Users lists become forums. Developer lists stay. I will fight to my dying breath to make sure this DOESN'T happen (with what little persuation I can muster). I have come to rely deeply on these lists. I spend my offline hours (daily commute, boring meetings, vacations, etc) going over the list discussions. I have accumulated a large amount of data that I transform into documentation just from this single source of knowledge transfer. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DON'T DO THIS! Only problem I see there is that Developers won't check the forums as much as they should, unless the Users forum has a mail list interface. Hen On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Robert Simmons wrote: Well, once again I would like to bring up the concept of forum software for Jakarta. The reason I am bringing it up again is that mailing lists are intrusive and spammy. Daily I get flooded with a ton of email that I have absolutely no interest in reading. However if I unsubscribe to the lists than when there is something that I would like to know about or answer, I will miss it. In addition, if I unsubscribe I'm not able to post my own issues. With a mailing list, the communication mechanism is just too intrusive. On a forum I can pick and choose what I want to read and reply to. As for them being used, its a simple matter of retiring mailing lists for forum software. When we consider that at least 90% of Jakarta users are not Jakarta developers but will often have a question or an important insight, than the folly of communicating only in mailing lists becomes clear. -- Robert Simmons -- James Mitchell Software Engineer/Struts Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org/ The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. - Mark Twain (1835-1910) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ACTION not WORDS Re: A Jakarta wiki?
*looks down at his cookie monster house slippers* ... Okay. I guess I'm normal then ;-) (In which case many of y'all are weird) ... LOL.my kids have those!!! Though the irony of Anyone who thinks differently is selling something from someone with Struts Evangelist written in his tag line is kinda funny... Yes, I've been told on occasion that I'm funny (then they mumble something that sounds like looking ;) In all honesty, I've been smoking the Open Source weed for about 2 years now, and its really gotten intense in the last few months. Guess I'm just hooked on rollin it the Struts way ;) Perhaps I should change the flag I fly to the higher cause!! (see below) (Not a struts slam, just a ironic...struts is the most humane way to do JSP...I've used it myself.) I agree. If its one thing that pisses me off, its %=this%. I cringe every time I see JSP sucks!!!. I just want to scream NO, YOU HATE IT BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO LEARN HOW TO DO IT CORRECTLY wiki msg=Holy Crap This is FUN http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?StrutsProjectPages /wiki -- James Mitchell Software Engineer/Open Source Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. - Bjarne Stroustrup -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 4:10 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: ACTION not WORDS Re: A Jakarta wiki? I disagree, that's not odd at all. You've just quoted (more or less) every employer/contract I've ever had. Anyone who thinks differently is selling something!!! *looks down at his cookie monster house slippers* ... Okay. I guess I'm normal then ;-) (In which case many of y'all are weird) ... Though the irony of Anyone who thinks differently is selling something from someone with Struts Evangelist written in his tag line is kinda funny... (Not a struts slam, just a ironic...struts is the most humane way to do JSP...I've used it myself.) -Andy -- James Mitchell Software Engineer/Struts Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. - Bjarne Stroustrup -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 7:44 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: ACTION not WORDS Re: A Jakarta wiki? Done... http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/ I'd still prefer a Java/MySQL based approach, but It's up and running... No reason not to if you have the drive and ambition to set one up (obviously do so now before too much content is generated). This one has the advantage of being gentle on the server while being easy to set up. I literally spent 5 minutes on it. I don't actually care what technology my tools are in provided they work and meet my requirements, but I'm an odd person. -Andy Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ACTION not WORDS Re: A Jakarta wiki?
No JSP does indeed suck. It just sucks less with Struts. LOL..ok, we'll leave it at that. -- James Mitchell Software Engineer/Open Source Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. - Bjarne Stroustrup -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 9:59 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: ACTION not WORDS Re: A Jakarta wiki? (Not a struts slam, just a ironic...struts is the most humane way to do JSP...I've used it myself.) I agree. If its one thing that pisses me off, its %=this%. I cringe every time I see JSP sucks!!!. I just want to scream NO, YOU HATE IT BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO LEARN HOW TO DO IT CORRECTLY wiki msg=Holy Crap This is FUN http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?StrutsProjectPages /wiki No JSP does indeed suck. It just sucks less with Struts. -Andy -- James Mitchell Software Engineer/Open Source Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. - Bjarne Stroustrup -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Fwd: Wiki Wiki (has been set up)]
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?HomePage I changed it a bit, but it adds [] around the link. This also doesn't help with showing as JProjectPagesguess you can always rename, copy and paste. -- James Mitchell Software Engineer/Open Source Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. - Bjarne Stroustrup -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 10:15 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: RE: [Fwd: Wiki Wiki (has been set up)] Thanks for setting this up! Any idea why the Log4JProjectPages show us as JProjectPages? -Mark -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 5:05 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: [Fwd: Wiki Wiki (has been set up)] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [POLL] OS of choice
I already have an account setup, but need Karma. Can you help me with this? -Original Message- From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [POLL] OS of choice on 2002/12/17 1:15 PM, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A nice idea, and a simple way of adding in the votes, but with the issue that people without access to jakarta-site2 are unable to commit changes. I'm sorry, but I'm so tired of hearing that lame excuse over and over again, even though it is CLEARLY DOCUMENTED as being untrue for YEARS NOW. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jakarta-site2.html People who have accounts on apache.org can check in their changes to the jakarta-site2 module directly. If you get an error such as Access denied: Insufficient Karma, then please send email to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list and we will grant you the appropriate access. If you do not have an account, then please feel free to send patches (against the .xml files and not the .html files!) to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. -jon -- James Mitchell Software Engineer/Struts Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. - Bjarne Stroustrup -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [POLL] OS of choice
I would like to add my OS of choice. May I have Karma? -- James Mitchell Software Engineer/Struts Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. - Bjarne Stroustrup -Original Message- From: Danny Angus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:04 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: RE: [POLL] OS of choice Ahem.. I'd rather not say ;-) d. -Original Message- From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 December 2002 17:16 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [POLL] OS of choice on 2002/12/18 1:14 AM, Danny Angus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon, Server, desktop or what? d. What computer OS did you use to type that email from? =) -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sun Is Losing Its Way
the number 1 selling OS In case anyone hasn't seen this yet, I've attached the source code to Windows 2000. -- James Mitchell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 11:37 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: Sun Is Losing Its Way Ive been reading this thread and I think it is a bit humorous that some people think that companies that use the open source groupies to generate thier income are not just as minipulative as the proprietary ones. clip. M$ is not looking out for me, that I am sure about. clip. neither is Sun, nor Redhat, nor Debian,... I love open source and the idea of a bunch of people working together for a common goal, but I also think that if someone wants to make a living off of selling thier product, and not support, then they should be allowed to keep their code to themselves. Sometimes I wonder if Sun would whine about Microsoft as much as they do if Sun had the number 1 selling OS. Just my opinion, but I think it's a good one. Aaron Manns -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] win2000.h Description: Binary data -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Ben Franklin and Open Source:
Well, I believe the spirit of the Open Source movement dates back to Martin Luther..but that's just my $.02 James Mitchell Software Engineer/Struts Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org If you were plowing a field, which would you rather use? Two strong oxen or 1024 chickens? - Seymour Cray (1925-1996), father of supercomputing -Original Message- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of V. Cekvenich Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 2:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ben Franklin and Open Source: Repost from SVLUG: Bill Kendrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I was listening to Marketplace (which plays on KXJZ at 6:30pm weekdays; http://www.marketplace.org/ ) and at one point they were talking about an upcoming PBS show on Benjamin Franklin. They briefly spoke with one Mr. Walter Isaacson, chairman and CEO of CNN [*], as he also happens to be writing a book on Franklin. At one point, Isaacson mentioned that Franklin never sought any patents on what he invented. To my surprise [**], Marketplace's host, David Brancaccio, pointed out the similarity between that and the Open Source movement. Isaacson responded Yes!, and stated that if Franklin were alive today, he'd probably be very much part of that movement. :^) Pretty neat. :^) -bill! [*] I believe. He's _something_ at CNN. Best I can find Google'ing is that he _was_ fairly recently. [**] Maybe I'm thinking like it's 1999, and nobody knows what Lie-nicks is. ;^) I guess it's hard to get used to. We, the Open Source community, really _are_ famous and important and note-worthy. Woo-hoo! ___ svlug mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/svlug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Linux Magazine article
Is it true that Marc had asked to move JBoss over and that it was not accepted? I guess I was not around during that time (if it ever was). I had sensed (from monitoring the Jboss-users and dev lists early this year) that there was a bit of ill sentiment towards the 'Jakarta Love Train' ;) I had heard rumors, but never knew what to make of it until I asked him directly myself at a JBoss presentation at the local JUG meeting a few months back, and his response was something likenothing but a bunch of Sun guys there, but I couldn't make out exactly what he said. Is any of this true? Was Jboss rejected from joining Apache? James Mitchell Software Engineer/Struts Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) -Original Message- From: Henri Yandell [mailto:bayard;generationjava.com] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:15 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Linux Magazine article Linux Magazine's backpage article is a little thing on Java and Linux together etc. [Steve J. Vaughan-Nichols]. Apache Software Foundation's Jakarta project gets a good mention, however he seems to ascribe JBoss as being a Jakarta project :) Which is a shame that maybe Jakarta's brand is being a bit too overpowering sometimes. Tomcat, Ant and POI also get mentions. My favourite quote: I know: to many of you Java is this wishy-washy language that's way too wordy and structured. :) Thought it was interest, Hen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
RE: Linux Magazine article
I'd like to see that. James Mitchell Software Engineer/Struts Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:andy;superlinksoftware.com] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 8:55 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: Linux Magazine article I just wanted to say. I like Marc. He's fun :-) (but then again I like Jon too for many of the same reasons though I've not met him in person so my judgement may be suspect ;-) ) BTW if we can get our act together and I can get the guts together to ask my boss for time off just after starting, I could try and bring VCDs of Marc vs IBM vs BEA vs Oracle (I couldn't find the right person to ask from sun until it was too late) to the apachecon. Let me know who wants them and I'll try. -Andy James Mitchell wrote: Is it true that Marc had asked to move JBoss over and that it was not accepted? I guess I was not around during that time (if it ever was). I had sensed (from monitoring the Jboss-users and dev lists early this year) that there was a bit of ill sentiment towards the 'Jakarta Love Train' ;) I had heard rumors, but never knew what to make of it until I asked him directly myself at a JBoss presentation at the local JUG meeting a few months back, and his response was something likenothing but a bunch of Sun guys there, but I couldn't make out exactly what he said. Is any of this true? Was Jboss rejected from joining Apache? James Mitchell Software Engineer/Struts Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) -Original Message- From: Henri Yandell [mailto:bayard;generationjava.com] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:15 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Linux Magazine article Linux Magazine's backpage article is a little thing on Java and Linux together etc. [Steve J. Vaughan-Nichols]. Apache Software Foundation's Jakarta project gets a good mention, however he seems to ascribe JBoss as being a Jakarta project :) Which is a shame that maybe Jakarta's brand is being a bit too overpowering sometimes. Tomcat, Ant and POI also get mentions. My favourite quote: I know: to many of you Java is this wishy-washy language that's way too wordy and structured. :) Thought it was interest, Hen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
RE: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
Ok. Here's my response. There's nothing wrong with JSP. Those that bash it are those who clearly have no understanding of it. These same people have usually tried to use it at one time, but became frustrated by their own lack of knowledge in web application development and now think its easier to say 'it just sucks man' than try to learn something. Or worse, before they come to that conclusion some idiot comes along and tries to help them with their jsp skills.and what you're left with is a tremendous hack, equivalent to the 15,000 line class.everything is in main When it comes to developing web applications, where (along the way) did people forget that http is just a friggin 'document requesting' protocol? If it were a play, it might go something like this User Server -- I need this file Here you go I need this file Here you go I need this file Here you go I need this file Here you go I need this file Here you go I need this file Here you go Now hack away at this and try to make an application somehow. JSP was simply a natural progression from static html. (DUH!) I think that learning Velocity or any other framework (besides Struts) would be a waste of MY time, but I don't go a around vomiting my negative opinions on developer lists. (well, until now ;) James Mitchell Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist Struts-Atlanta, the Open Minded Developer Network http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:10 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost??? But no one replied to my lovely email when I said that other than POI and HTTPD there was only actually one Apache project, all the others are the same project implemented different ways and that JSP had the structure of a dog turned inside out... I was so proud of that...how mean of you all not to respond :-( ;-) -Andy Leo Simons wrote: Is that site generated by maven ? ;)) Mvgr, Martin Anakia I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even using Anakia and just using PHP. PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design ever, but you can get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there is no way in hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP. =) yeah. And it's got a template language called Smarty which is *way* better than velocity!!! :P - Leo, who figured there was another flamefest when he saw all those e-mails and is now eagerly waiting for a picture of a crossdressing jon... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
Alphabetical? Now that's just not fair! JM ZZZ Technologies Inc. -Original Message- From: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:20 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists Is this for any vendor who wants free ads, -1 or only for companies that support Apache projects +1 ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ? -1 I think it should just be a these are some companies providing commercial support for jakarta, and there should be no more ties than that. Gets messy to quickly. The page should reflect (thinking of an authority we all know) a search on google about commercial support for apache software, but sorted categorically/alphabetically rather than by any kind of rank. There should be a note on the page probably mentioning that this is the page its sole intention, and that companies can request addition if they want (in the form of a patch, I'd say). I think it would be fair and nice if projects would include such a page in the releases, maybe next to the list of commiters who wrote the code. That is, of course, up to individual projects. I'm not really in favor of it (what if there's a new company providing support, giving a client the distro, and not being listed on that page...too many possible headaches). Sorry, Andy, no time for lunch for me today so no patch either... cheers, - Leo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
