Ok. Here's my response. There's nothing wrong with JSP. Those that bash it are those who clearly have no understanding of it. These same people have usually tried to use it at one time, but became frustrated by their own lack of knowledge in web application development and now think its easier to say 'it just sucks man' than try to learn something.
Or worse, before they come to that conclusion some idiot comes along and tries to help them with their jsp skills.....and what you're left with is a tremendous hack, equivalent to the 15,000 line class.....everything is in main!!!! When it comes to developing web applications, where (along the way) did people forget that http is just a friggin 'document requesting' protocol? If it were a play, it might go something like this.... User Server ---- ------ "I need this file" "Here you go" "I need this file" "Here you go" "I need this file" "Here you go" "I need this file" "Here you go" "I need this file" "Here you go" "I need this file" "Here you go" Now hack away at this and try to make an application somehow. JSP was simply a natural progression from static html. (DUH!) I think that learning Velocity or any other framework (besides Struts) would be a waste of MY time, but I don't go a around vomiting my negative opinions on developer lists. (well, until now ;) James Mitchell Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network" http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:10 PM > To: Jakarta General List > Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost??? > > > But no one replied to my lovely email when I said that other than POI > and HTTPD there was only actually > one Apache project, all the others are the same project implemented > different ways and that JSP had the > structure of a dog turned inside out... I was so proud of that...how > mean of you all not to respond :-( > > ;-) > > -Andy > > Leo Simons wrote: > > >>>Is that site generated by maven ? ;)) > >>> > >>>Mvgr, > >>>Martin > >>> > >>> > >>Anakia > >> > >>I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then > >>processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even > using Anakia > >>and just using PHP. > >> > >>PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design > ever, but you can > >>get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there > is no way in > >>hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP. > >> > >>=) > >> > >> > > > >yeah. And it's got a template language called Smarty which is *way* > >better than velocity!!! > > > >:P > > > >- Leo, who figured there was another flamefest when he saw all those > >e-mails and is now eagerly waiting for a picture of a crossdressing > >jon... > > > > > > > >-- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
