Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-02 Thread Steven Noels
On 1/04/2003 23:21 Andrew C. Oliver wrote: And we need to work on implementing a CMM process for opensource. The SDLC seems like an excellent way to do that. If we can get developers working along the SDLC, I think we could get a more repeatable development process. Far superior to

RE: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-02 Thread Danny Angus
We should not 'stimulate' developers to work along SDLC, just fire them if they don't. Why don't we just outsource the whole thing? then we don't need to really manage the project but we can *still* fire them if they don't give us what we want, whether its reasonable or not. Better yet why

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-02 Thread Steven Noels
On 2/04/2003 12:35 Danny Angus wrote: Better yet why don't we hand all our IT over to IBMGS then we don't ever need to ask for anything or fire anyone because IBMGS will do it all for us according to our IT policy which they will even kindly write for us. Dear sir, I'm not in the position to

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-02 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Would it help if someone makes this an out-of-the-blue business requirement or policy? This consensus-through-discussion stuff is really slowing us down. We should not 'stimulate' developers to work along SDLC, just fire them if they don't. The requirements can't be change until the next

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-02 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
We really need to a submit a JSR to define an API to process these RFS tickets... Humm...I'm thinking of a much better idea for next year ;-) Steven Noels wrote: On 2/04/2003 12:35 Danny Angus wrote: Better yet why don't we hand all our IT over to IBMGS then we don't ever need to ask for

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-02 Thread Tom Copeland
I hereby appoint myself Chief Architect. As my first act, I have completed our High Level Architecture. Here it is: --- - SuperXMailer - - - Other stuff - --- Rose .mdl files will be posted to [insert expensive

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 09:32 AM, Tom Copeland wrote: I hereby appoint myself Chief Architect. As my first act, I have completed our High Level Architecture. Here it is: --- - SuperXMailer - - - Other stuff -

[Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Hi All, I'm pleased to finally propose the SuperXMailer for Jakarta via the incubator. I'd like for the Jakarta PMC/committers to vote a tacit approval of the project before we work on acceptance into the incubator. I'm sure that despite the inevitable controversy, folks will see a true

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Steven Noels
On 1/04/2003 22:03 Andrew C. Oliver wrote: I'm pleased to finally propose the SuperXMailer for Jakarta via the incubator. :-D Nice one! /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog at

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Erik Price
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Hi All, I'm pleased to finally propose the SuperXMailer for Jakarta via the incubator. I'd like for the Jakarta PMC/committers to vote a tacit approval of the project before we work on acceptance into the incubator. I'm sure that despite the inevitable controversy,

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 03:21 PM, Tom Copeland wrote: +1 if I could just think of a BUSINESS PROPOSAL that could put this to use Let me help you get started: Hello honored sir, my name is Mkwila Mnembi, and I am the

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Tom Copeland
I'm +1 to Andrew's proposal. I think it is terrible that there is not an enterprise class open source solution in this field. All those poor businessmen, using hacked together solutions or proprietary technologies. To make success inevitable, let's start by drawing a bunch of UML diagrams!

RE: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Danny Angus
Nice one, made my day :-) d. -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 April 2003 21:03 To: Jakarta General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Proposal] SuperXMailer Hi All, I'm pleased to finally propose the SuperXMailer for Jakarta via

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Interested in being a committer? Just add your name! Steven Noels wrote: On 1/04/2003 22:03 Andrew C. Oliver wrote: I'm pleased to finally propose the SuperXMailer for Jakarta via the incubator. :-D Nice one! /Steven

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
To make success inevitable, let's start by drawing a bunch of UML diagrams! And we need to work on implementing a CMM process for opensource. The SDLC seems like an excellent way to do that. If we can get developers working along the SDLC, I think we could get a more repeatable

RE: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Howard M. Lewis Ship
eb site and additional examples. [2] identify the initial source from which the project is to be populated The project currently resides on the SourceForge (http://tapestry.sf.net). My wife says I sometimes code in my sleep. Now I know what I've been up-to :-) Gotta watch that

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Costin Manolache
You did actually create a sourceforge project for this joke ? Costin Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Hi All, I'm pleased to finally propose the SuperXMailer for Jakarta via the incubator. I'd like for the Jakarta PMC/committers to vote a tacit approval of the project before we work on

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
:-D I created the sourceforge project months and months ago! With full disclosure as to its purpose. -Andy Costin Manolache wrote: You did actually create a sourceforge project for this joke ? Costin Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Hi All, I'm pleased to finally propose the SuperXMailer for

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
You've spent months planning an April Fool's joke? On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 08:12 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: :-D I created the sourceforge project months and months ago! With full disclosure as to its purpose. -Andy Costin Manolache wrote: You did actually create a sourceforge

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Its april fools day? I spent 5 minutes, months ago... -Andy Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: You've spent months planning an April Fool's joke? On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 08:12 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: :-D I created the sourceforge project months and months ago! With full disclosure as to

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Ben Walding
All, In order to minimise the possibility of brand overloading or brand segmentation I propose that we introduce the standard community building techniques. So to this end I propose the immediate creation of * a wiki to capture all this valuable discussion * a set of blogs so that members of

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 2003/4/1 6:08 PM, Ben Walding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is called value-adding in the commercial world. Some of you communist coding hippies may not have heard of this. Of course there is no value in open source since it is all free. =) -jon -- BU** SH**