RE: Is it 'Jakarta Apache Tomcat' or 'Apache Tomcat'?
Mladen Turk wrote: > Just want to clear some things about all the *branding misuse* :) Talk with the PRC. > Looking at the archives (and trust me, took me a weekend), I > really have not found a firm standpoint Hence the PRC. > So the question is what is the actual name of the thing that > we all know as Tomcat? The PRC exists to address and ensure consistency in such matters. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it 'Jakarta Apache Tomcat' or 'Apache Tomcat'?
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Mladen Turk wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: Were you striking a Dr Evil pose while you wrote this? :) No, I was striking a Rhett Buttler's pose: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" :) My (strong) advice is that the Tomcat subcommunity have a quick decision on what they would like to do about the SD magazine issue. If you don't want to send an email, decide and I believe the general Jakarta community view will be that we disagree but that your decision holds the most weight. I think that Tomcat community has expressed his decisions. I didn't wish to particapate (for obvious reason). Remy did, but he is French ;). Other guys like Costin and Bill said enough, I think. Of course, send the mail to tomcat-dev@, since it's up to those people to decide I suppose. Our voting works on a +1/-1 basis, with +0 and -0 being used for non-binding vague inclination. I could be wrong but Bill, Remy, Costin and yourself are all basically saying -0. Costin has had a -1, but with conditions (ie that this is targetted solely at JBoss) that are (as someone with an expert understanding of the inside of my skull) easy to claim are not true. Technically I guess it's up to the PMC members on the Tomcat subcommunity to decide, and you're all on this list. I admit that it would be best for a -1 to come from Costin, Bill or Yoav, as yourself and Remy are in a less than desirable position when this stuff comes up. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it 'Jakarta Apache Tomcat' or 'Apache Tomcat'?
Henri Yandell wrote: Were you striking a Dr Evil pose while you wrote this? :) No, I was striking a Rhett Buttler's pose: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" :) My (strong) advice is that the Tomcat subcommunity have a quick decision on what they would like to do about the SD magazine issue. If you don't want to send an email, decide and I believe the general Jakarta community view will be that we disagree but that your decision holds the most weight. I think that Tomcat community has expressed his decisions. I didn't wish to particapate (for obvious reason). Remy did, but he is French ;). Other guys like Costin and Bill said enough, I think. Of course, send the mail to tomcat-dev@, since it's up to those people to decide I suppose. Regards, Mladen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it 'Jakarta Apache Tomcat' or 'Apache Tomcat'?
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Mladen Turk wrote: Hi, Just want to clear some things about all the *branding misuse* :) Looking at the archives (and trust me, took me a weekend), I really have not found a firm standpoint, because there where so many Chairmans and Directors with opposite statements. So the question is what is the actual name of the thing that we all know as Tomcat? Is it 'Apache Jakarta Tomcat' or 'Apache Tomcat' or 'Jakarta Tomcat'? If it's 'Apache Tomcat' like couple of people suggested recently, then the question is what is 'Apache Tomcat' doing inside 'Apache Jakarta'? Originally, Jakarta Tomcat. Logically, Apache Jakarta Tomcat as of a couple of years ago when the Apache side of Jakarta was being emphasised. Last August there was a long thread in which it was agreed by consensus (ie it was suggested and nobody disagreed, and various people +1'd and acted including a couple of Tomcat committers) to make it Apache Tomcat. However, it was hardly broadcast/followed up on (sorry, my fault) and confusion is not a surprise. Anyhow, what are your feelings that we (Tomcat developers), propose to the ASF to be nominated as TLP? I see two direct benefits. 1) Tomcat will have a much more direct channel to the board and will not be relying on me as a confused bystander. I use Tomcat regularly, but I'm only aware of dev issues at a surface level. 2) It makes my job easier :) The less there is to worry about oversight of, the less time I have to allot from coding to do oversight. Perhaps a bit simplistic. I also think there are user benefits, TLPs are easier to understand, and in terms of a long term future for [EMAIL PROTECTED], it makes sense for Jakarta to be less of an umbrella as I don't believe we are likely to be able to setup the kind of system an umbrella needs to perform optimally (an entire second layer of management etc). I know that some of you will think (since it's coming from me) 'Damn, JBoss is trying to control the Tomcat', but there is just Remy and myself, with dozen of other developers, each of them having a veto for anything that we try to commit as encrypted or evil :). Were you striking a Dr Evil pose while you wrote this? :) My (strong) advice is that the Tomcat subcommunity have a quick decision on what they would like to do about the SD magazine issue. If you don't want to send an email, decide and I believe the general Jakarta community view will be that we disagree but that your decision holds the most weight. Currently a list of -0's is just not enough to outweigh the general view from your Jakarta peers. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is it 'Jakarta Apache Tomcat' or 'Apache Tomcat'?
Hi, Just want to clear some things about all the *branding misuse* :) Looking at the archives (and trust me, took me a weekend), I really have not found a firm standpoint, because there where so many Chairmans and Directors with opposite statements. So the question is what is the actual name of the thing that we all know as Tomcat? Is it 'Apache Jakarta Tomcat' or 'Apache Tomcat' or 'Jakarta Tomcat'? If it's 'Apache Tomcat' like couple of people suggested recently, then the question is what is 'Apache Tomcat' doing inside 'Apache Jakarta'? Anyhow, what are your feelings that we (Tomcat developers), propose to the ASF to be nominated as TLP? I know that some of you will think (since it's coming from me) 'Damn, JBoss is trying to control the Tomcat', but there is just Remy and myself, with dozen of other developers, each of them having a veto for anything that we try to commit as encrypted or evil :). Regards, Mladen. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
