Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

[Geir Magnusson Jr.]

Great stuff!

+1

How would you like us to submit articles/notes to you?


On 6/5/02 9:57 AM, "Rob Oxspring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jakarta Newsletter
> ==
> Issue: 0
> Date: May 2002
> 
[SNIP]

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RE: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

[Paulo Gaspar]

GREAT job Rob.

I like the level of detail very much. 

For me it should be no less detailed: if it is to save me the hassle of 
following a list, the newsletter MUST have some detail. I am not 
expecting a management digest - I am a developer and not a manager.

I am talking in the first person but I am guessing that we do not have
many of those managers that like to avoid the technical details around.

The mail archive URLs are also very nice.


Regards,
Paulo Gaspar

> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Oxspring [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:41 AM
> To: 'Jakarta General List'
> Subject: RE: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002
> 
> 
> Thanks Erik,
> 
> I think its gonna take a few of us keeping it high priority to get the
> ball rolling properly - it took me long enough to get around to this one
> (though whats 6 months between software engineers) - i.e. although a
> calendar alarm has been set for next month, prods and reminders are
> definitely appreciated :)
> 
> You are probably right re the level of detail - its partially just my
> style showing through but also because I thought it'd look a bit empty
> with just general, ant and commons on there.  I think a lot of this sort
> of thing will vary with the style of the individual "column" authors and
> the level of activity within each project, IMHO this variation should
> make it a more interesting read and should be encouraged - at least for
> the first few months while we don't know what's best.
> 
> Rob
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Erik Hatcher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > Sent: 5 June 2002 23:45
> > To: Jakarta General List
> > Subject: Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002
> > 
> > 
> > Rob,
> > 
> > Very nice.  I've been keeping this idea high on my to-do list 
> > and I'm glad to see you finally get to it.
> > 
> > This is more detailed than future ones probably should be, 
> > and that would likely be the case when other projects get 
> > incorporated anyway.
> > 
> > Great job, and you can count on me assisting you with this in 
> > any way possible in the future.
> > 
> > Erik
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Rob Oxspring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:57 AM
> > Subject: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002
> > 
> > 
> > > Jakarta Newsletter
> > > ==
> > > Issue: 0
> > > Date: May 2002
> > >
> > > A Jakarta newsletter has been mentioned a few times on the general 
> > > list
> > and
> > > so I figured it was high time that one was produced. The 
> > discussions 
> > > previously seemed to settle on a monthly affair with a a regular 
> > > change of editorship. The aim is that for the future, 
> > different people 
> > > will take
> > over
> > > different sections for a limited period so that nobody gets bogged 
> > > down
> > with
> > > the chore unless they want to - some lists may have a series of 
> > > volunteers step up, other projects may choose to add newsletter 
> > > editing as a regular responsibility for each of their active 
> > > committers.
> > >
> > > Hopefully this will lead to a dynamic monthly newsletter 
> > that can be 
> > > sent out on the announcement list (or a new newsletter one) 
> > and try to 
> > > keep people informed of what all the projects are up to 
> > without having 
> > > to
> > monitor
> > > all the projects
> > >
> > > This issue is entirely edited my myself rather than a set of 
> > > developers
> > and
> > > as a direct result is limited to the dev lists I monitor properly. 
> > > With
> > luck
> > > others will help out future issues providing a varied style 
> > and more 
> > > complete content.
> > >
> > > Rob Oxspring
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > General
> > > ===
> > >
> > > This month saw the first ever veto of a new committer in the Tomcat 
> > > subproject. [1] The resulting threads from this discussed how much a
> > person
> > > should have to do before being given committer rights [2] and what 
> > > they should have had to do. This in turn lead to a proposed 
> > rethink of 
> > > the current rights and roles at Jakarta - can non-coders be 
> > > committers? should people be

RE: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

[Paulo Gaspar]

+1
Paulo

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> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 8:42 AM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002
> 
> 
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Peter Donald wrote:
> 
> > I would actually prefer no peer review (or at least no binding peer 
> > review). If people want to have a say what goes into it then 
> they should 
> > get off their butts and write something for it ;)
> 
> +1
> 
> Costin
> 
> > 
> > I am sure that the writers will be at responsible enough (and 
> if not we can 
> > yank
> >   their privlidges to post it to announcement list)
> > 
> > At 04:19 PM 6/5/2002 +0100, you wrote:
> > >"Rob Oxspring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jakarta Newsletter
> > > > ==
> > > > Issue: 0
> > > > Date: May 2002
> > >
> > >Great job... I'd like to propose the following: peer review on 
> this mailing
> > >list, vote request, and then send it off on announcements... 
> This can be
> > >done every month if Rob is willing to keep up with the pace of 
> my flamewars.
> > >
> > > Pier
> > >
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Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

[Ted Husted]

+1 on no biding peer review

But the sequence of events Pier suggested seems fine 

(1) The volunteer list editors post submissions to the general list and
copy their own DEV list.

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(2) The volunteer newsletter editor collects the submissions together
and sends it out on announcements like a digest.

If there were comments, it would be up to the newsletter editor that
month to decide whether to commit them to the newsletter or not; perhaps
consulting with the committers for the product first. 

-Ted.


Peter Donald wrote:
> 
> I would actually prefer no peer review (or at least no binding peer
> review). If people want to have a say what goes into it then they should
> get off their butts and write something for it ;)
> 
> I am sure that the writers will be at responsible enough (and if not we can
> yank
>   their privlidges to post it to announcement list)
> 
> At 04:19 PM 6/5/2002 +0100, you wrote:
> >"Rob Oxspring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Jakarta Newsletter
> > > ==
> > > Issue: 0
> > > Date: May 2002
> >
> >Great job... I'd like to propose the following: peer review on this mailing
> >list, vote request, and then send it off on announcements... This can be
> >done every month if Rob is willing to keep up with the pace of my flamewars.
> >
> > Pier
> >
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Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

[costinm]

On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Peter Donald wrote:

> I would actually prefer no peer review (or at least no binding peer 
> review). If people want to have a say what goes into it then they should 
> get off their butts and write something for it ;)

+1

Costin

> 
> I am sure that the writers will be at responsible enough (and if not we can 
> yank
>   their privlidges to post it to announcement list)
> 
> At 04:19 PM 6/5/2002 +0100, you wrote:
> >"Rob Oxspring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Jakarta Newsletter
> > > ==
> > > Issue: 0
> > > Date: May 2002
> >
> >Great job... I'd like to propose the following: peer review on this mailing
> >list, vote request, and then send it off on announcements... This can be
> >done every month if Rob is willing to keep up with the pace of my flamewars.
> >
> > Pier
> >
> >
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Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

[Nicola Ken Barozzi]

From: "Peter Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I would actually prefer no peer review (or at least no binding peer 
> review). If people want to have a say what goes into it then they should 
> get off their butts and write something for it ;)

+1

Great job, hope you keep hanging on ;-)

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Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

[dion]

Cool Great effort...thanks.
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Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

[Peter Donald]

I would actually prefer no peer review (or at least no binding peer 
review). If people want to have a say what goes into it then they should 
get off their butts and write something for it ;)

I am sure that the writers will be at responsible enough (and if not we can 
yank
  their privlidges to post it to announcement list)

At 04:19 PM 6/5/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>"Rob Oxspring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Jakarta Newsletter
> > ==
> > Issue: 0
> > Date: May 2002
>
>Great job... I'd like to propose the following: peer review on this mailing
>list, vote request, and then send it off on announcements... This can be
>done every month if Rob is willing to keep up with the pace of my flamewars.
>
> Pier
>
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Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

[Peter Donald]

+1

At 03:04 AM 6/6/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>"Rob Oxspring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Jakarta Newsletter
> > ==
> > Issue: 0
> > Date: May 2002
>
>Anyone against sending this to announcements?
>
>I'm +1 on content (and since my flamewar occupies about 30% of it, well!!!
>:):):)
>
> Pier
>
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Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

[Pier Fumagalli]

"Rob Oxspring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jakarta Newsletter
> ==
> Issue: 0
> Date: May 2002

Anyone against sending this to announcements?

I'm +1 on content (and since my flamewar occupies about 30% of it, well!!!
:):):)

Pier

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RE: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

[Rob Oxspring]

Thanks Erik,

I think its gonna take a few of us keeping it high priority to get the
ball rolling properly - it took me long enough to get around to this one
(though whats 6 months between software engineers) - i.e. although a
calendar alarm has been set for next month, prods and reminders are
definitely appreciated :)

You are probably right re the level of detail - its partially just my
style showing through but also because I thought it'd look a bit empty
with just general, ant and commons on there.  I think a lot of this sort
of thing will vary with the style of the individual "column" authors and
the level of activity within each project, IMHO this variation should
make it a more interesting read and should be encouraged - at least for
the first few months while we don't know what's best.

Rob

> -Original Message-
> From: Erik Hatcher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: 5 June 2002 23:45
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002
> 
> 
> Rob,
> 
> Very nice.  I've been keeping this idea high on my to-do list 
> and I'm glad to see you finally get to it.
> 
> This is more detailed than future ones probably should be, 
> and that would likely be the case when other projects get 
> incorporated anyway.
> 
> Great job, and you can count on me assisting you with this in 
> any way possible in the future.
> 
> Erik
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rob Oxspring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:57 AM
> Subject: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002
> 
> 
> > Jakarta Newsletter
> > ==
> > Issue: 0
> > Date: May 2002
> >
> > A Jakarta newsletter has been mentioned a few times on the general 
> > list
> and
> > so I figured it was high time that one was produced. The 
> discussions 
> > previously seemed to settle on a monthly affair with a a regular 
> > change of editorship. The aim is that for the future, 
> different people 
> > will take
> over
> > different sections for a limited period so that nobody gets bogged 
> > down
> with
> > the chore unless they want to - some lists may have a series of 
> > volunteers step up, other projects may choose to add newsletter 
> > editing as a regular responsibility for each of their active 
> > committers.
> >
> > Hopefully this will lead to a dynamic monthly newsletter 
> that can be 
> > sent out on the announcement list (or a new newsletter one) 
> and try to 
> > keep people informed of what all the projects are up to 
> without having 
> > to
> monitor
> > all the projects
> >
> > This issue is entirely edited my myself rather than a set of 
> > developers
> and
> > as a direct result is limited to the dev lists I monitor properly. 
> > With
> luck
> > others will help out future issues providing a varied style 
> and more 
> > complete content.
> >
> > Rob Oxspring
> >
> >
> >
> > General
> > ===
> >
> > This month saw the first ever veto of a new committer in the Tomcat 
> > subproject. [1] The resulting threads from this discussed how much a
> person
> > should have to do before being given committer rights [2] and what 
> > they should have had to do. This in turn lead to a proposed 
> rethink of 
> > the current rights and roles at Jakarta - can non-coders be 
> > committers? should people be given voting rights without 
> CVS access? - 
> > should they be given
> CVS
> > access without the hassle of voting rights? The answers 
> seemed to be 
> > probably, possibly and probably not respectively [3] On a similar 
> > note, there was a brief look at how best to welcome and nurture 
> > volunteers to
> keep
> > Jakarta growing and progressing [4]
> >
> > An announcement of a new in house mail archive using EyeBrowse [5] 
> > lead to
> a
> > few threads regarding the infrastructure available at Jakarta. The 
> > main focus was on whether to switch from Bugzilla to Scarab [6,7] 
> > although Subversion was also mentioned with anticipation. There was 
> > also discussion of the best way to measure project activity and how 
> > useful such a metric would be [8].
> >
> > Related to the infrastructure and to project activity, Maven was 
> > advocated by Jon Scott Stevens as a build system we should all be 
> > using. The ensuing flame war included a lot of Centipede vs 
> Maven, XSL 
> > vs Velocity, and other Ego clashes. The result seems to 
> have been that 
> > 

Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

[Erik Hatcher]

Rob,

Very nice.  I've been keeping this idea high on my to-do list and I'm glad
to see you finally get to it.

This is more detailed than future ones probably should be, and that would
likely be the case when other projects get incorporated anyway.

Great job, and you can count on me assisting you with this in any way
possible in the future.

Erik


- Original Message -
From: "Rob Oxspring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:57 AM
Subject: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002


> Jakarta Newsletter
> ==
> Issue: 0
> Date: May 2002
>
> A Jakarta newsletter has been mentioned a few times on the general list
and
> so I figured it was high time that one was produced. The discussions
> previously seemed to settle on a monthly affair with a a regular change of
> editorship. The aim is that for the future, different people will take
over
> different sections for a limited period so that nobody gets bogged down
with
> the chore unless they want to - some lists may have a series of volunteers
> step up, other projects may choose to add newsletter editing as a regular
> responsibility for each of their active committers.
>
> Hopefully this will lead to a dynamic monthly newsletter that can be sent
> out on the announcement list (or a new newsletter one) and try to keep
> people informed of what all the projects are up to without having to
monitor
> all the projects
>
> This issue is entirely edited my myself rather than a set of developers
and
> as a direct result is limited to the dev lists I monitor properly. With
luck
> others will help out future issues providing a varied style and more
> complete content.
>
> Rob Oxspring
>
>
>
> General
> ===
>
> This month saw the first ever veto of a new committer in the Tomcat
> subproject. [1] The resulting threads from this discussed how much a
person
> should have to do before being given committer rights [2] and what they
> should have had to do. This in turn lead to a proposed rethink of the
> current rights and roles at Jakarta - can non-coders be committers? should
> people be given voting rights without CVS access? - should they be given
CVS
> access without the hassle of voting rights? The answers seemed to be
> probably, possibly and probably not respectively [3] On a similar note,
> there was a brief look at how best to welcome and nurture volunteers to
keep
> Jakarta growing and progressing [4]
>
> An announcement of a new in house mail archive using EyeBrowse [5] lead to
a
> few threads regarding the infrastructure available at Jakarta. The main
> focus was on whether to switch from Bugzilla to Scarab [6,7] although
> Subversion was also mentioned with anticipation. There was also discussion
> of the best way to measure project activity and how useful such a metric
> would be [8].
>
> Related to the infrastructure and to project activity, Maven was advocated
> by Jon Scott Stevens as a build system we should all be using. The ensuing
> flame war included a lot of Centipede vs Maven, XSL vs Velocity, and other
> Ego clashes. The result seems to have been that some commons projects have
> switched to maven and that several people have begun to think about what
is
> and isn't provided by the Forest / Gump / Maven / Centipede projects -
> Surely good things will come. Instead of pointing to specific threads here
> I'll just suggest that you search the archives for the countless threads
> along the lines of "Quick! convert all your projects to maven!", "You make
> the decision", "You guys are so funny", and "[PROPOSAL] Centaven and
> Friends".
>
> It was noted that the general list seems to be targeted for advertising
> Jakarta support but that there should be a better place for this. The
> discussion [9] lead to a new page on the web site listing providers of
> Jakarta support [10].
>
> Should database related technology have its own Apache project? the theme
of
> a language per project at Apache could be lost, but is this a problem?
Read
> the full thread [11] and see what you think.
>
> [1] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10222159092&r=1&w=2&n=11
> [2] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10222634452&r=1&w=2&n=24
> [3] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10222816225&r=1&w=2&n=99
> [4] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10222976112&r=1&w=2&n=11
> [5] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10204510812&r=1&w=2&n=23
> [6] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10204574701&r=1&w=4&n=14
> [7] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10219434461&r=1&w=2&n=10
> [8] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10211291743&r=1&w=2&n=12
> [9] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10212772502&r=1&w=2&n=27
> [10] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10213983331&r=1&w=2&n=12
> [11] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10203755791&r=1&w=2&n=53
>
>
>
> Ant
> ===
>
> The first beta of version 1.5 was released this month, provoking lots of
bug
> fixing and doc patching [12]. A difference causing some confusion 

Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

[Rob Oxspring]

- Original Message -
From: "Pier Fumagalli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002


> "Rob Oxspring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Jakarta Newsletter
> > ==
> > Issue: 0
> > Date: May 2002
>
> Great job... I'd like to propose the following: peer review on this
mailing
> list, vote request, and then send it off on announcements...

Yep - thats the sensible compromise between general@ and announcements@ that
I've been looking for. Doh!

> This can be
> done every month if Rob is willing to keep up with the pace of my
flamewars.

I'll certainly try ;o)

Rob

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Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

[robert burrell donkin]

On Wednesday, June 5, 2002, at 04:31 PM, Stefan Bodewig wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Rob Oxspring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> So is it worth bothering with each month? Feedback wanted! :)
>
> Great job!

+1

thanks for persevering!

> I second Pier's suggestion to peer-review here and send the newsletter
> to announce after that.

+1

(peer review could be a good source for extra material)

maybe the newsletters could be posted up in an archive somewhere on the 
site.

- robert


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Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

[Stefan Bodewig]

On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Rob Oxspring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So is it worth bothering with each month? Feedback wanted! :)

Great job!

I second Pier's suggestion to peer-review here and send the newsletter
to announce after that.

Stefan

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Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

[Pier Fumagalli]

"Rob Oxspring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jakarta Newsletter
> ==
> Issue: 0
> Date: May 2002

Great job... I'd like to propose the following: peer review on this mailing
list, vote request, and then send it off on announcements... This can be
done every month if Rob is willing to keep up with the pace of my flamewars.

Pier


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RE: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

[GOMEZ Henri]

>Hopefully this will lead to a dynamic monthly newsletter that 
>can be sent
>out on the announcement list (or a new newsletter one) and try to keep
>people informed of what all the projects are up to without 
>having to monitor
>all the projects

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RE: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

[Tom Copeland]

Yup, this is great stuff.  Kind of like kernel-traffic
(http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/latest.html) for Jakarta.  Thanks
much,

Tom

-Original Message-
From: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:09 AM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002


> So is it worth bothering with each month? Feedback wanted! :)

yeah. I enjoyed it ;)

> 1) Should we have an archive on the web site (xdoc copy attached as my
+1)

of course, though the easiest way to archive is to link to the mail
archive.

> 2) Which list should it post to? - its aimed at people that aren't
> subscribed to too many of the lists so announcements seems the most
likely
> current option, although maybe a separate newsletter@ would be the way
> forward - eitherway I'd guess replies should go to general@.

newsletter@ if this proves to be a success. Keep it on general for
now...

> 3) Editors for the various sections will be required - I'm sure I
didn't do
> commons justice and editing is far from what I'm good at anyway - so
please
> step forward if you want to edit for a project.

not stepping forward just yet (hoping someone else will), but I can
handle all of avalon.

> 4) I guess I'll put out a request for content around the 28th and aim
to
> release in the week of July 1st.

cool beans.

thanks for doin' this!

- Leo



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Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

[Leo Simons]

> So is it worth bothering with each month? Feedback wanted! :)

yeah. I enjoyed it ;)

> 1) Should we have an archive on the web site (xdoc copy attached as my +1)

of course, though the easiest way to archive is to link to the mail
archive.

> 2) Which list should it post to? - its aimed at people that aren't
> subscribed to too many of the lists so announcements seems the most likely
> current option, although maybe a separate newsletter@ would be the way
> forward - eitherway I'd guess replies should go to general@.

newsletter@ if this proves to be a success. Keep it on general for
now...

> 3) Editors for the various sections will be required - I'm sure I didn't do
> commons justice and editing is far from what I'm good at anyway - so please
> step forward if you want to edit for a project.

not stepping forward just yet (hoping someone else will), but I can
handle all of avalon.

> 4) I guess I'll put out a request for content around the 28th and aim to
> release in the week of July 1st.

cool beans.

thanks for doin' this!

- Leo



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Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

[Rob Oxspring]

Well, there it is.

It took me much longer than I expected, although that's partly due to the
jubilee holiday festivities, but finally I came up with something.  The
contents are limited to general / ant / commons because they're the only dev
lists I follow, and the items were chosen on an arbitrary basis (thread size
>=10).

So is it worth bothering with each month? Feedback wanted! :)

If it is to continue:

1) Should we have an archive on the web site (xdoc copy attached as my +1)

2) Which list should it post to? - its aimed at people that aren't
subscribed to too many of the lists so announcements seems the most likely
current option, although maybe a separate newsletter@ would be the way
forward - eitherway I'd guess replies should go to general@.

3) Editors for the various sections will be required - I'm sure I didn't do
commons justice and editing is far from what I'm good at anyway - so please
step forward if you want to edit for a project.

4) I guess I'll put out a request for content around the 28th and aim to
release in the week of July 1st.

Enjoy,

Rob


Oh, and I'm sorry that I didn't reference the EyeBrowse archive - wanted to
but kept getting timeouts when fishing for links on friday.





Rob J. Oxspring
Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002 - #0





Issue: 0

Date: May 2002


A Jakarta newsletter has been mentioned a few times on the general list and so I figured it was high time that one was produced.  The discussions previously seemed to settle on a monthly affair with a a regular change of editorship.  The aim is that for the future, different people will take over different sections for a limited period so that nobody gets bogged down with the chore unless they want to - some lists may have a series of volunteers step up, other projects may choose to add newsletter editing as a regular responsibility for each of their active committers.
Hopefully this will lead to a dynamic monthly newsletter that can be sent out on the announcement list (or a new newsletter one) and try to keep people informed of what all the projects are up to without having to monitor all the projects
This issue is entirely edited my myself rather than a set of developers and as a direct result is limited to the dev lists I monitor properly.  With luck others will help out future issues providing a varied style and more complete content.

Rob Oxspring


General
Ant
Commons





This month saw the first ever veto of a new committer in the Tomcat subproject.
[1]

The resulting threads from this discussed how much a person should have to do before being given committer rights
[2]
and what they should have had to do.  This in turn lead to a proposed rethink of the current rights and roles at Jakarta - can non-coders be committers? should people be given voting rights without CVS access? - should they be given CVS access without the hassle of voting rights?  The answers seemed to be probably, possibly and probably not respectively
[3]

On a similar note, there was a brief look at how best to welcome and nurture volunteers to keep Jakarta growing and progressing
[4]



An announcement of a new in house mail archive using EyeBrowse [5] lead to a few threads regarding the infrastructure available at Jakarta.  The main focus was on whether to switch from Bugzilla to Scarab [6,7] although Subversion was also mentioned with anticipation.  There was also discussion of the best way to measure project activity and how useful such a metric would be [8].



Related to the infrastructure and to project activity, Maven was advocated by Jon Scott Stevens as a build system we should all be using.  The ensuing flame war included a lot of Centipede vs Maven, XSL vs Velocity, and other Ego clashes.  The result seems to have been that some commons projects have switched to maven and that several people have begun to think about what is and isn't provided by the Forest / Gump / Maven / Centipede projects - Surely good things will come.
Instead  of pointing to specific threads here I'll just suggest that you search the archives for the countless threads along the lines of "Quick! convert all your projects to maven!", "You make the decision", "You guys are so funny", and "[PROPOSAL] Centaven and Friends".


It was noted that the general list seems to be targeted for advertising Jakarta support but that there should be a better place for this.  The discussion [9] lead to a new page on the web site listing providers of Jakarta support [10].


Should database related technology have its own Apache project? the theme of a language per project at Apache could be lost, but is this a problem? Read the full thread [11] and see what you think.



[1] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10222159092&r=1&w=2&n=11";>http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10222159092&r=1&w=2&n=11
[2] - http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10222634452&r=1&w=2&n=24";>http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10222634452&r=1&w=2&n=24
[3] - http://marc.theaim