Re: Sorry for the noise

[sebb]

On 13 April 2018 at 11:34, Jan Iversen  wrote:
>
>
>> On 13 Apr 2018, at 12:30, sebb  wrote:
>>
>> On 13 April 2018 at 11:22, Jan Iversen > > wrote:
>>>
>>>
 On 13 Apr 2018, at 12:17, sebb >>> > wrote:

 On 13 April 2018 at 11:08,  mailto:j...@apache.org>> 
 wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Sorry for the noise on this list, I am trying to simplify the website, 
> meaning getting rid of the ant generation.

 What's wrong with Ant ?
 Or do you mean Velocity (Anakia, Texen)?
>>> I mean the whole generation part.
>>
>> And what is wrong with it?
>
> For one it does not run on a tablet, which happens to be my prime work tool. 
> Whenever I touch attic I have to access to my Mac in order to run the 
> generation.

That could be fixed by having a cron job that detects changes to SVN
and runs the site generation.

> I would like something that can edited without needing a computer.

Your tablet would still need to commit to SVN.

>>

> The idea is to:
> - have a sidebar file that is included in all files (with projects etc).
> - have a project template, that can be copied and filled out for each new 
> retired project.
>
> I am not touching the active site, until I have something working, and we 
> have consensus that it is a better solution.

 If we are going to change the site generation, I suggest we start with
 a data file containing all the retired project details and use that to
 generate the pages.
 That will make it easier to update the individual pages as well as the
 include file.

 Also the data file may be useful for other purposes, so JSON might be
 a good format.
>>> I was not thinking of “generation”, because we have to few projects 
>>> entering attic that is does not have value.
>>
>> It will be an initial extra cost, but long term it will make it much
>> easier to make changes to the main page bodies.
>> As well as providing useful data for external users.
>>
>>> I am thinking of making something that can be plainly edited, which would 
>>> make life easier, since it can be done directly in a browser without the 
>>> need of having special software installed. This is of course also true for 
>>> server side generated html, which could be a second step if we agree on it.
>>
>> AFAICT your proposal will require editing two files - the main page
>> and the include file.
>> Whereas I propose a single file is used.
>
> That is a very fair point, and if my php experiment works it should be simple 
> to do.
>
>>

> rgds
> Jan I.
>

Re: Sorry for the noise

[Jan Iversen]

> On 13 Apr 2018, at 12:30, sebb  wrote:
> 
> On 13 April 2018 at 11:22, Jan Iversen  > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 13 Apr 2018, at 12:17, sebb mailto:seb...@gmail.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 13 April 2018 at 11:08,  mailto:j...@apache.org>> 
>>> wrote:
 Hi all
 
 Sorry for the noise on this list, I am trying to simplify the website, 
 meaning getting rid of the ant generation.
>>> 
>>> What's wrong with Ant ?
>>> Or do you mean Velocity (Anakia, Texen)?
>> I mean the whole generation part.
> 
> And what is wrong with it?

For one it does not run on a tablet, which happens to be my prime work tool. 
Whenever I touch attic I have to access to my Mac in order to run the 
generation.

I would like something that can edited without needing a computer.

> 
>>> 
 The idea is to:
 - have a sidebar file that is included in all files (with projects etc).
 - have a project template, that can be copied and filled out for each new 
 retired project.
 
 I am not touching the active site, until I have something working, and we 
 have consensus that it is a better solution.
>>> 
>>> If we are going to change the site generation, I suggest we start with
>>> a data file containing all the retired project details and use that to
>>> generate the pages.
>>> That will make it easier to update the individual pages as well as the
>>> include file.
>>> 
>>> Also the data file may be useful for other purposes, so JSON might be
>>> a good format.
>> I was not thinking of “generation”, because we have to few projects entering 
>> attic that is does not have value.
> 
> It will be an initial extra cost, but long term it will make it much
> easier to make changes to the main page bodies.
> As well as providing useful data for external users.
> 
>> I am thinking of making something that can be plainly edited, which would 
>> make life easier, since it can be done directly in a browser without the 
>> need of having special software installed. This is of course also true for 
>> server side generated html, which could be a second step if we agree on it.
> 
> AFAICT your proposal will require editing two files - the main page
> and the include file.
> Whereas I propose a single file is used.

That is a very fair point, and if my php experiment works it should be simple 
to do.

> 
>>> 
 rgds
 Jan I.

Re: Sorry for the noise

[Henk P. Penning]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2018, Jan Iversen wrote:


Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2018 12:22:06 +0200
From: Jan Iversen 
To: general@attic.apache.org
Subject: Re: Sorry for the noise



If we are going to change the site generation, I suggest we start with
a data file containing all the retired project details and use that to
generate the pages.



Also the data file may be useful for other purposes, so JSON might be
a good format.

I was not thinking of “generation”, because we have to few projects
entering attic that is does not have value.

I am thinking of making something that can be plainly edited, which
would make life easier, since it can be done directly in a browser
without the need of having special software installed. This is of
course also true for server side generated html, which could be a
second step if we agree on it.


  You do the work, so you decide.

  For the long term I think it would be nice to have
  -- a template file,
  -- a data (json?) file with per/project attributes
  -- a simple 'expand' script.

  Not for now, but perhaps you can keep it in mind ...


Jan I.


  Regards,

  HPP

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Re: Sorry for the noise

[sebb]

On 13 April 2018 at 11:22, Jan Iversen  wrote:
>
>
>> On 13 Apr 2018, at 12:17, sebb  wrote:
>>
>> On 13 April 2018 at 11:08,   wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Sorry for the noise on this list, I am trying to simplify the website, 
>>> meaning getting rid of the ant generation.
>>
>> What's wrong with Ant ?
>> Or do you mean Velocity (Anakia, Texen)?
> I mean the whole generation part.

And what is wrong with it?

>>
>>> The idea is to:
>>> - have a sidebar file that is included in all files (with projects etc).
>>> - have a project template, that can be copied and filled out for each new 
>>> retired project.
>>>
>>> I am not touching the active site, until I have something working, and we 
>>> have consensus that it is a better solution.
>>
>> If we are going to change the site generation, I suggest we start with
>> a data file containing all the retired project details and use that to
>> generate the pages.
>> That will make it easier to update the individual pages as well as the
>> include file.
>>
>> Also the data file may be useful for other purposes, so JSON might be
>> a good format.
> I was not thinking of “generation”, because we have to few projects entering 
> attic that is does not have value.

It will be an initial extra cost, but long term it will make it much
easier to make changes to the main page bodies.
As well as providing useful data for external users.

> I am thinking of making something that can be plainly edited, which would 
> make life easier, since it can be done directly in a browser without the need 
> of having special software installed. This is of course also true for server 
> side generated html, which could be a second step if we agree on it.

AFAICT your proposal will require editing two files - the main page
and the include file.
Whereas I propose a single file is used.

>>
>>> rgds
>>> Jan I.
>

Re: Sorry for the noise

[Jan Iversen]

> On 13 Apr 2018, at 12:17, sebb  wrote:
> 
> On 13 April 2018 at 11:08,   wrote:
>> Hi all
>> 
>> Sorry for the noise on this list, I am trying to simplify the website, 
>> meaning getting rid of the ant generation.
> 
> What's wrong with Ant ?
> Or do you mean Velocity (Anakia, Texen)?
I mean the whole generation part.

> 
>> The idea is to:
>> - have a sidebar file that is included in all files (with projects etc).
>> - have a project template, that can be copied and filled out for each new 
>> retired project.
>> 
>> I am not touching the active site, until I have something working, and we 
>> have consensus that it is a better solution.
> 
> If we are going to change the site generation, I suggest we start with
> a data file containing all the retired project details and use that to
> generate the pages.
> That will make it easier to update the individual pages as well as the
> include file.
> 
> Also the data file may be useful for other purposes, so JSON might be
> a good format.
I was not thinking of “generation”, because we have to few projects entering 
attic that is does not have value. 

I am thinking of making something that can be plainly edited, which would make 
life easier, since it can be done directly in a browser without the need of 
having special software installed. This is of course also true for server side 
generated html, which could be a second step if we agree on it.

> 
>> rgds
>> Jan I.

Re: Sorry for the noise

[sebb]

On 13 April 2018 at 11:08,   wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Sorry for the noise on this list, I am trying to simplify the website, 
> meaning getting rid of the ant generation.

What's wrong with Ant ?
Or do you mean Velocity (Anakia, Texen)?

> The idea is to:
> - have a sidebar file that is included in all files (with projects etc).
> - have a project template, that can be copied and filled out for each new 
> retired project.
>
> I am not touching the active site, until I have something working, and we 
> have consensus that it is a better solution.

If we are going to change the site generation, I suggest we start with
a data file containing all the retired project details and use that to
generate the pages.
That will make it easier to update the individual pages as well as the
include file.

Also the data file may be useful for other purposes, so JSON might be
a good format.

> rgds
> Jan I.