Re: [DRAFT] Incubator PMC Board Report - October 2016
Hi John, On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 12:36 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > ...I have removed the section from the public report, added a single line > indicating a loss of team members, and sent an email (privately) to the > PPMC (not PPMS) with a proposed change to go in a private section... Thanks! I like your changes, factual and sufficiently informative IMO. > ...This is where things get hairy for this podling. A JSR was one of their > goals since their proposal came through, as can be read on their initial > proposal http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TamayaProposal .. Ok, so mentioning deviations from this is cool of course, there's just no need to go into much detail about who disagrees with whom (and I understand we agree on that). Thanks very much and let's see if the podling wants more detail in a private section. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DRAFT] Incubator PMC Board Report - October 2016
Bertrand, On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 3:57 AM Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi John, > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 3:57 AM, John D. Ament > wrote: > > Below is the incubator board report > > I object to the paragraphs quoted below about Mark Struberg and Tamaya > and suggest removing them, reworking to avoid mentioning names or > marking them . > I have removed the section from the public report, added a single line indicating a loss of team members, and sent an email (privately) to the PPMC (not PPMS) with a proposed change to go in a private section. > > Our reports are meant to stay online forever, this excerpt is critical > of Mark in a way that's not needed and goes into lots of details about > that "alternative JSR" story, which are not relevant IMO about the > podling's progress overall. > This is where things get hairy for this podling. A JSR was one of their goals since their proposal came through, as can be read on their initial proposal http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TamayaProposal > > Someone made a proposal, it was not accepted, that person left - > that's all typical business in our projects. > > So maybe just summarize this as "a proposal was made for a different > configuration JSR, which the PPMC didn't agree with, resulting in some > people leaving the project" or something like that. > > (there's no PPMS by the way ;-) > Yep, fixed that for them as well. > > -Bertrand, with just my Incubator PMC hat on, nothing more > > > > ...Mark Struberg tried to established his ideas of a configuration JSR. > > Though he was mentoring Tamaya his proposal did not match, what > > we did in the project and could have a large impact on the project. > > Even worse he did not collaborate with the project. > > The main committers and PPMS members of the project did a hangout, > > Where it has been decided that we will NOT change the API in favour of > > the ideas of Mark. On one side we already had that kind of discussion 2 > > years ago and, on the other side an increasing number of people start > to > > use the project, so breaking API changes do not make sense. > > Fortunately the Java community and Oracle did actively get in contact > > with us regarding the planned new “Java EE Configuration JSR” and > > see Tamaya as a very good base for building the configuration JSR with > > similar concepts. Given that one of the original main purposes has been > > achieved. As Mark failed with his ideas, he consequently quit his > > assignment as a project mentor > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [DRAFT] Incubator PMC Board Report - October 2016
Hi John, On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 3:57 AM, John D. Ament wrote: > Below is the incubator board report I object to the paragraphs quoted below about Mark Struberg and Tamaya and suggest removing them, reworking to avoid mentioning names or marking them . Our reports are meant to stay online forever, this excerpt is critical of Mark in a way that's not needed and goes into lots of details about that "alternative JSR" story, which are not relevant IMO about the podling's progress overall. Someone made a proposal, it was not accepted, that person left - that's all typical business in our projects. So maybe just summarize this as "a proposal was made for a different configuration JSR, which the PPMC didn't agree with, resulting in some people leaving the project" or something like that. (there's no PPMS by the way ;-) -Bertrand, with just my Incubator PMC hat on, nothing more > ...Mark Struberg tried to established his ideas of a configuration JSR. > Though he was mentoring Tamaya his proposal did not match, what > we did in the project and could have a large impact on the project. > Even worse he did not collaborate with the project. > The main committers and PPMS members of the project did a hangout, > Where it has been decided that we will NOT change the API in favour of > the ideas of Mark. On one side we already had that kind of discussion 2 > years ago and, on the other side an increasing number of people start to > use the project, so breaking API changes do not make sense. > Fortunately the Java community and Oracle did actively get in contact > with us regarding the planned new “Java EE Configuration JSR” and > see Tamaya as a very good base for building the configuration JSR with > similar concepts. Given that one of the original main purposes has been > achieved. As Mark failed with his ideas, he consequently quit his > assignment as a project mentor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DRAFT] Incubator PMC Board Report - October 2016
Guys, I'm sorry if this cause great confusion. I skimmed the wiki and noticed that it still was not marked final. Rookie mistake to edit it. On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 11:04 AM John D. Ament wrote: > Generally speaking, the first report is always a series of "Still getting > started." At this point, I'd prefer to not add new reports (not > comfortable with the Toree change), since the deadline was last Wednesday. > But others can voice their opinions as well. > > John > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 3:12 AM Bertrand Delacretaz < > bdelacre...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 10:09 PM, John D. Ament > > wrote: > > > > > ...Below is the current draft of the board report... > > > > > > > > If you want I can add a brief report about NetBeans but there's not > > > > much to say, it's really just getting started, the code grant is not > > > > in yet so we'll have more to say next month. > > > > > > > > -Bertrand > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > >
Re: [DRAFT] Incubator PMC Board Report - October 2016
Generally speaking, the first report is always a series of "Still getting started." At this point, I'd prefer to not add new reports (not comfortable with the Toree change), since the deadline was last Wednesday. But others can voice their opinions as well. John On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 3:12 AM Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 10:09 PM, John D. Ament > wrote: > > > ...Below is the current draft of the board report... > > > > If you want I can add a brief report about NetBeans but there's not > > much to say, it's really just getting started, the code grant is not > > in yet so we'll have more to say next month. > > > > -Bertrand > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > >
Re: [DRAFT] Incubator PMC Board Report - October 2016
A statement to that effect is a good thing. On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 12:12 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz < bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 10:09 PM, John D. Ament > wrote: > > ...Below is the current draft of the board report... > > If you want I can add a brief report about NetBeans but there's not > much to say, it's really just getting started, the code grant is not > in yet so we'll have more to say next month. > > -Bertrand > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [DRAFT] Incubator PMC Board Report - October 2016
Hi, On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 10:09 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > ...Below is the current draft of the board report... If you want I can add a brief report about NetBeans but there's not much to say, it's really just getting started, the code grant is not in yet so we'll have more to say next month. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
