Re: Borland, Fujitsu, HP, IONA, Nokia, and Oracle voted with Suntolock Open Source out of Java.

2002-03-15 Thread Pete Chown
Kevin A. Burton wrote: The big companies (Microsoft, IBM, SUN, etc) have been the ones creating the standards. IETF, JCP, W3C, etc are all good examples. Actually I think the IETF is the exception, which is why I think it could be a good starting point if people wanted to do their own

Re: Borland, Fujitsu, HP, IONA, Nokia, and Oracle voted with Suntolock Open Source out of Java.

2002-03-15 Thread Pete Chown
Peter Donald wrote: Hell no. Look at all the pety bitching and moaning that goes on now - definetly not conducive to standards bodys which are meant to define specifications via which multiple groups can compete on implementations. You obviously haven't subscribed to any IETF mailing

Re: Borland, Fujitsu, HP, IONA, Nokia, and Oracle voted with Suntolock Open Source out of Java.

2002-03-15 Thread costinm
Kevin A. Burton wrote: The big companies (Microsoft, IBM, SUN, etc) have been the ones creating the standards. IETF, JCP, W3C, etc are all good examples. I think you are a bit confused by the fact that everything a company does is claimed to be 'standard, high quality, reliable, secure'

Re: Borland, Fujitsu, HP, IONA, Nokia, and Oracle voted with Suntolock Open Source out of Java.

2002-03-14 Thread Pier Fumagalli
GOMEZ Henri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So who should decide of next standards and apis for oss ? w3c, Good candidate... Too bad that they don't own the word JAVA. ASF, We don't do API, we do products FWIW... This major shift should be a thing to be seriously considered by the members