Re: Borland, Fujitsu, HP, IONA, Nokia, and Oracle voted with Suntolock Open Source out of Java.
Kevin A. Burton wrote: The big companies (Microsoft, IBM, SUN, etc) have been the ones creating the standards. IETF, JCP, W3C, etc are all good examples. Actually I think the IETF is the exception, which is why I think it could be a good starting point if people wanted to do their own standards. I've just finished working on this draft: http://ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-tls-ciphersuite-06.txt I don't work for a big company, and we don't have any direct interest in this draft. I just wrote it because it seemed like an interesting thing to do. It took a long time but it is now approved and is waiting for the RFC Editor to get round to publishing it. If anything it helped that I wasn't from a big company because I wasn't pushing any particular agenda. It would be interesting to see if the Open Source process could work for *creating* standards. At the very minimum it woul be interesting... Exactly. Open source produces high quality software, but too often it is just a free clone of something commercial. Of course some open source projects do take the lead, but it would be nice to see this happening to a greater extent. -- Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Borland, Fujitsu, HP, IONA, Nokia, and Oracle voted with Suntolock Open Source out of Java.
Peter Donald wrote: Hell no. Look at all the pety bitching and moaning that goes on now - definetly not conducive to standards bodys which are meant to define specifications via which multiple groups can compete on implementations. You obviously haven't subscribed to any IETF mailing lists! :-) There is all the petty bitching and moaning you could want... -- Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Borland, Fujitsu, HP, IONA, Nokia, and Oracle voted with Suntolock Open Source out of Java.
Kevin A. Burton wrote: The big companies (Microsoft, IBM, SUN, etc) have been the ones creating the standards. IETF, JCP, W3C, etc are all good examples. I think you are a bit confused by the fact that everything a company does is claimed to be 'standard, high quality, reliable, secure' ( by the company that creates it - the competition claims the reverse, they are the real 'standard' ones ). The important standards like HTTP, HTML, TCP/IP were created in university/research environment, with an eventual corporation playing a marginal role. Costin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Borland, Fujitsu, HP, IONA, Nokia, and Oracle voted with Suntolock Open Source out of Java.
GOMEZ Henri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So who should decide of next standards and apis for oss ? w3c, Good candidate... Too bad that they don't own the word JAVA. ASF, We don't do API, we do products FWIW... This major shift should be a thing to be seriously considered by the members exolab, After a long association with them I hope... NOT! enhydra Not their focus... but certainly no more jcp. Why not? That's all the Foundation is fighting for ATM... Complaining about things like that will not change the world in which we are living in... What the Foundation is doing is _right_, and thanks to the invaluable contributions of people such as Jason Hunter, James Duncan Davidson, Sam Ruby, Chuck Murcho we can say that we're slowly getting there... Complaining on a mailing list doesn't help, maybe suggesting being propositive and active on another might... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
