Re: Linux Magazine article

2002-10-26 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I'd rather perform their role from 1987-1999 or so ;-) -Andy Martin van den Bemt wrote: I never had you for an idealest. What I think they'll do is start trying to sell the JDK, lock every thing down grasping for some business model...any busines model.then sink slowly into the abyss

Re: Linux Magazine article

2002-10-26 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Never skip a start of something is my motto ;) Mvgr, Martin On Sat, 2002-10-26 at 13:04, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: I'd rather perform their role from 1987-1999 or so ;-) -Andy Martin van den Bemt wrote: I never had you for an idealest. What I think they'll do is start trying to sell

Re: Linux Magazine article

2002-10-26 Thread Paul Hammant
Jon, Andy, I wish we did have something that supported a non-crappy interface like EOB (eob.sourceforge.net) Stuff like this reminds me of Velocity vs. JSP argument. People realize that EJB sucks ass, so they develop something that is simple to use and implement and makes some real

RE: Linux Magazine article

2002-10-25 Thread James Mitchell
Is it true that Marc had asked to move JBoss over and that it was not accepted? I guess I was not around during that time (if it ever was). I had sensed (from monitoring the Jboss-users and dev lists early this year) that there was a bit of ill sentiment towards the 'Jakarta Love Train' ;) I

Re: Linux Magazine article

2002-10-25 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
James Mitchell wrote: Is it true that Marc had asked to move JBoss over and that it was not accepted? I guess I was not around during that time (if it ever was). I had sensed (from monitoring the Jboss-users and dev lists early this year) that there was a bit of ill sentiment towards the

Re: Linux Magazine article

2002-10-25 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I just wanted to say. I like Marc. He's fun :-) (but then again I like Jon too for many of the same reasons though I've not met him in person so my judgement may be suspect ;-) ) BTW if we can get our act together and I can get the guts together to ask my boss for time off just after

RE: Linux Magazine article

2002-10-25 Thread James Mitchell
;superlinksoftware.com] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 8:55 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: Linux Magazine article I just wanted to say. I like Marc. He's fun :-) (but then again I like Jon too for many of the same reasons though I've not met him in person so my judgement may

RE: Linux Magazine article

2002-10-25 Thread Scott Sanders
Is any of this true? Was Jboss rejected from joining Apache? No, Jboss was not rejected from Jakarta. IIRC, they wanted to join and jakarta said 'can we digest what we have first?', and jboss said, 'no thanks', and then switched to LGPL. Or something like that :) Scott -- To unsubscribe,

Re: Linux Magazine article

2002-10-25 Thread Pier Fumagalli
On 25/10/02 7:17, James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it true that Marc had asked to move JBoss over and that it was not accepted? Question floats around from time to time... It always ends up in someone being flamed badly and nothing happening... The wishy-washy relationship started

Re: Linux Magazine article

2002-10-25 Thread Pier Fumagalli
On 25/10/02 19:14, Scott Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is any of this true? Was Jboss rejected from joining Apache? No, Jboss was not rejected from Jakarta. IIRC, they wanted to join and jakarta said 'can we digest what we have first?', and jboss said, 'no thanks', and then switched to

RE: Linux Magazine article

2002-10-25 Thread Paulo Gaspar
Jon's predictions never became truth... ...probably because J2EE is not interesting enough! =;o) Have fun, Paulo Gaspar -Original Message- From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:nicolaken;apache.org] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:09 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: Linux

Re: Linux Magazine article

2002-10-25 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Gaspar -Original Message- From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:nicolaken;apache.org] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:09 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: Linux Magazine article ... Some history info: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=java-apache-frameworkm=97567909732611w=2

Re: Linux Magazine article

2002-10-25 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 2002/10/25 5:16 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish we did have something that supported a non-crappy interface like EOB (eob.sourceforge.net) Stuff like this reminds me of Velocity vs. JSP argument. People realize that EJB sucks ass, so they develop something that is

Re: Linux Magazine article

2002-10-25 Thread Steve Downey
[mailto:nicolaken;apache.org] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:09 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: Linux Magazine article ... Some history info: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=java-apache-frameworkm=97567909732611w= 2 -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Linux Magazine article

2002-10-25 Thread Steve Downey
On Friday 25 October 2002 08:30 pm, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 2002/10/25 5:16 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish we did have something that supported a non-crappy interface like EOB (eob.sourceforge.net) Stuff like this reminds me of Velocity vs. JSP argument. People

Re: Linux Magazine article

2002-10-25 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 2002/10/25 5:16 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish we did have something that supported a non-crappy interface like EOB (eob.sourceforge.net) Stuff like this reminds me of Velocity vs. JSP argument. Agreed. Velocity looks better than

Re: Linux Magazine article

2002-10-25 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Gaspar -Original Message- From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:nicolaken;apache.org] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:09 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: Linux Magazine article ... Some history info: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=java-apache-frameworkm=97567909732611w= 2