Re: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit
Duh, I knew I forgot something: = Testing To make exhibit more suitable for open source hacking, having tests would be of great help. Anyone with an idea on how to define those? If not, I could poke jresig or other mozillians for ideas. Axel 2008/3/11, Axel Hecht [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi David, congrats to getting a job, I hope you like it. No comment on those 6.5, my Ph.D took about the same time ;-). Thanks, Mozilla. Going forward, there are a few different issues that were raised in the discussion: = Developer man power - MIT - Open Sourcers I think relying on the MIT for coding shouldn't go much longer than David being there. I personally think that going the Open Source way will add more thrust to exhibit and timeline, and I might actually caugh up a patch, eventually. As for Frankenmonsters and bad code, there's a well established process to fix that, it's called peer review. David's not going to fall off the planet, thanks to his new employer, so there is no need or reason for arbitrary folks checking in arbitrary stuff without him looking at it first. http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Getting_your_patch_in_the_tree is how a big project like Mozilla handles this, I bet that we can figure something out that looks less scary. I expect that new reviewers grow out of the community that's contributing patches, and there's some level in here somewhere where getting commit priviledges is a good idea = Source hosting - MIT - google - SF I'd go for the level of service here, in particular in terms of bug tracking systems. SF.net is sadly enough dog-slow, ad-plastered, and low-featured. I haven't worked on google code myself, but google usually doesn't have performance problems, at least. I'm not sure if MIT would offer to continue to host the sources, or even grant non-MIT folks write access. = Web hosting - MIT - google I really think that SF.net is out of question here, their latency is just yucky. It'd be nice if the MIT could continue to host the projects, as that would ease our lives and we wouldn't have to get all our urls changed. I'm not really sure what the requirements are, though. Are exhibit and timeline the only projects that are affected? We've seen more messages about structural changes at simile, so maybe it'd be interesting to see if there's a hosting solution out there that's somewhat independent from MIT, but is supported by it in some way. Other players interested in innovation on the internet might be able to chime in, too. = Incorporated projects I haven't seen this being mentioned, but what's the relationship to the tooling libs, like SimileAjax and friends? Axel 2008/2/18, David Huynh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, As you might know, I have recently finished my Ph.D. study, and within a few months I'll be moving on to a real job at Metaweb. The Metaweb folks have been kind to let me dedicate some time toward open source involvement, which means that I can continue to work on Timeline, Exhibit, etc. to some extent. However, it is clear that I won't be able to dedicate as much time to those projects as I can right now. So, it is crucial that we arrange for more people to get involved in those projects so that those projects continue to thrive. One possibility is to move the code bases onto an open source foundry, such as Google Code, and invite the more programming capable among yourself to maintain and improve them further. Note that this solution is even better than the current situation, as there will be more capable people involved than just me alone. Together we'll work out the knowledge transfer, etc. etc. over the next few months. Please don't hesitate to chime in here if you have other ideas or just want to speak your mind. The worst thing that can happen is that nobody expresses their concerns, no transition gets made, and the good code just withers away. Thanks, David ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
Re: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit
Hi David, congrats to getting a job, I hope you like it. No comment on those 6.5, my Ph.D took about the same time ;-). Thanks, Mozilla. Going forward, there are a few different issues that were raised in the discussion: = Developer man power - MIT - Open Sourcers I think relying on the MIT for coding shouldn't go much longer than David being there. I personally think that going the Open Source way will add more thrust to exhibit and timeline, and I might actually caugh up a patch, eventually. As for Frankenmonsters and bad code, there's a well established process to fix that, it's called peer review. David's not going to fall off the planet, thanks to his new employer, so there is no need or reason for arbitrary folks checking in arbitrary stuff without him looking at it first. http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Getting_your_patch_in_the_tree is how a big project like Mozilla handles this, I bet that we can figure something out that looks less scary. I expect that new reviewers grow out of the community that's contributing patches, and there's some level in here somewhere where getting commit priviledges is a good idea = Source hosting - MIT - google - SF I'd go for the level of service here, in particular in terms of bug tracking systems. SF.net is sadly enough dog-slow, ad-plastered, and low-featured. I haven't worked on google code myself, but google usually doesn't have performance problems, at least. I'm not sure if MIT would offer to continue to host the sources, or even grant non-MIT folks write access. = Web hosting - MIT - google I really think that SF.net is out of question here, their latency is just yucky. It'd be nice if the MIT could continue to host the projects, as that would ease our lives and we wouldn't have to get all our urls changed. I'm not really sure what the requirements are, though. Are exhibit and timeline the only projects that are affected? We've seen more messages about structural changes at simile, so maybe it'd be interesting to see if there's a hosting solution out there that's somewhat independent from MIT, but is supported by it in some way. Other players interested in innovation on the internet might be able to chime in, too. = Incorporated projects I haven't seen this being mentioned, but what's the relationship to the tooling libs, like SimileAjax and friends? Axel 2008/2/18, David Huynh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, As you might know, I have recently finished my Ph.D. study, and within a few months I'll be moving on to a real job at Metaweb. The Metaweb folks have been kind to let me dedicate some time toward open source involvement, which means that I can continue to work on Timeline, Exhibit, etc. to some extent. However, it is clear that I won't be able to dedicate as much time to those projects as I can right now. So, it is crucial that we arrange for more people to get involved in those projects so that those projects continue to thrive. One possibility is to move the code bases onto an open source foundry, such as Google Code, and invite the more programming capable among yourself to maintain and improve them further. Note that this solution is even better than the current situation, as there will be more capable people involved than just me alone. Together we'll work out the knowledge transfer, etc. etc. over the next few months. Please don't hesitate to chime in here if you have other ideas or just want to speak your mind. The worst thing that can happen is that nobody expresses their concerns, no transition gets made, and the good code just withers away. Thanks, David ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
RE: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit
Hi Alex, I cannot think of many people who could provide better advice on the development of Open Source tools than you lot at Mozilla. In terms of testing Exhibit/Timeline, there are obviously a number of web app testing tools, e.g. Selenium (http://www.openqa.org/selenium/), Watir (http://wtr.rubyforge.org/, only for IE I think) and Sahi (http://sahi.sourceforge.net/), which could be used although I'm not sure how easily they could be incorporated into a automatic build. Perhaps more appropriately for Exhibit/Timeline JavaScript there's JSUnit (http://sourceforge.net/projects/jsunit/) a port of JUnit. I have to say I haven't used any of these in anger so cannot vouch for there relative merits, I'll ask around our team and see if anyone has any informed preferences. N Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:46:32 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: general@simile.mit.edu Subject: Re: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit Duh, I knew I forgot something: = Testing To make exhibit more suitable for open source hacking, having tests would be of great help. Anyone with an idea on how to define those? If not, I could poke jresig or other mozillians for ideas. Axel 2008/3/11, Axel Hecht [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi David, congrats to getting a job, I hope you like it. No comment on those 6.5, my Ph.D took about the same time ;-). Thanks, Mozilla. Going forward, there are a few different issues that were raised in the discussion: = Developer man power - MIT - Open Sourcers I think relying on the MIT for coding shouldn't go much longer than David being there. I personally think that going the Open Source way will add more thrust to exhibit and timeline, and I might actually caugh up a patch, eventually. As for Frankenmonsters and bad code, there's a well established process to fix that, it's called peer review. David's not going to fall off the planet, thanks to his new employer, so there is no need or reason for arbitrary folks checking in arbitrary stuff without him looking at it first. http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Getting_your_patch_in_the_tree is how a big project like Mozilla handles this, I bet that we can figure something out that looks less scary. I expect that new reviewers grow out of the community that's contributing patches, and there's some level in here somewhere where getting commit priviledges is a good idea = Source hosting - MIT - google - SF I'd go for the level of service here, in particular in terms of bug tracking systems. SF.net is sadly enough dog-slow, ad-plastered, and low-featured. I haven't worked on google code myself, but google usually doesn't have performance problems, at least. I'm not sure if MIT would offer to continue to host the sources, or even grant non-MIT folks write access. = Web hosting - MIT - google I really think that SF.net is out of question here, their latency is just yucky. It'd be nice if the MIT could continue to host the projects, as that would ease our lives and we wouldn't have to get all our urls changed. I'm not really sure what the requirements are, though. Are exhibit and timeline the only projects that are affected? We've seen more messages about structural changes at simile, so maybe it'd be interesting to see if there's a hosting solution out there that's somewhat independent from MIT, but is supported by it in some way. Other players interested in innovation on the internet might be able to chime in, too. = Incorporated projects I haven't seen this being mentioned, but what's the relationship to the tooling libs, like SimileAjax and friends? Axel 2008/2/18, David Huynh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, As you might know, I have recently finished my Ph.D. study, and within a few months I'll be moving on to a real job at Metaweb. The Metaweb folks have been kind to let me dedicate some time toward open source involvement, which means that I can continue to work on Timeline, Exhibit, etc. to some extent. However, it is clear that I won't be able to dedicate as much time to those projects as I can right now. So, it is crucial that we arrange for more people to get involved in those projects so that those projects continue to thrive. One possibility is to move the code bases onto an open source foundry, such as Google Code, and invite the more programming capable among yourself to maintain and improve them further. Note that this solution is even better than the current situation, as there will be more capable people involved than just me alone. Together we'll work out the knowledge transfer, etc. etc. over the next few months. Please don't hesitate to chime in here if you have other ideas or just want to speak your mind. The worst
Re: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit
Scott Longberry wrote: Hi David, I'll chime in with the others with my congratulations! You've been extremely helpful and I am sure Metaweb will be glad to have you. As for opinions as to where to go with Timeline and Exhibit, I wouldn't mind seeing them become open source projects. I'd be happy to continue contributing in what small ways that I can. As for where to host the code, I do not have any practical experience, so I can't really offer any concrete advise here, but i would like to point out the obvious. Where ever the code ends up being hosted, it will need to be 1) extremely reliable and 2) very fast. Because Exhibit is hosted for all of its users, if the host goes down or experiences a bottleneck, everyone who uses Exhibit is affected. It makes me wonder if there is some way of mirroring the host and load sharing between the mirrors... Hi Scott, Mirrors-- that's a great idea. At least we should have 2 different API instances, and let everybody know where they are. Authors of exhibits must explicitly change the API URLs inside their exhibits when one API instance fails. But at least they have some control. Right now, if simile.mit.edu goes down, and say you're demo'ing your exhibit, there isn't much you can do. You can't access our subversion repository, either. Note that Exhibit has a little more than just static files. If you want to include maps, then you need this Java servlet http://simile.mit.edu/painter/painter to be running to generate those map markers. You might also need http://simile.mit.edu/babel/translator to translate your data from some non-Exhibit native formats. Then the follow-up question is, who will we trust to host the second API instance? Another school? A non-commercial organization? ... David ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
RE: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit
Hi David, All the best in your new job and thanks for your great contributions! My preference is for SourceForge. For compliance reasons, my company blocks access to general document-sharing sites like Google docs and Google code at present. -- Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Huynh Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:16 AM To: General List Subject: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit Hi all, As you might know, I have recently finished my Ph.D. study, and within a few months I'll be moving on to a real job at Metaweb. The Metaweb folks have been kind to let me dedicate some time toward open source involvement, which means that I can continue to work on Timeline, Exhibit, etc. to some extent. However, it is clear that I won't be able to dedicate as much time to those projects as I can right now. So, it is crucial that we arrange for more people to get involved in those projects so that those projects continue to thrive. One possibility is to move the code bases onto an open source foundry, such as Google Code, and invite the more programming capable among yourself to maintain and improve them further. Note that this solution is even better than the current situation, as there will be more capable people involved than just me alone. Together we'll work out the knowledge transfer, etc. etc. over the next few months. Please don't hesitate to chime in here if you have other ideas or just want to speak your mind. The worst thing that can happen is that nobody expresses their concerns, no transition gets made, and the good code just withers away. Thanks, David ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
Re: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit
David, Congratulations on finishing the Ph. D., and on the job at Metaweb! I know for sure you will be very missed. I, too, want to thank you for making such fantastic tools for the community! Timeline has been a total joy to use, and now I am having a lot of fun converting Timefo to use Exhibit. On the code front, just from my little experience with it, I think Google Code is much more user (read casual developer) friendly than SourceForge. I really like being able to check code out of Google Code via svn. Good luck to you at Metaweb, and maybe I'll see you around the streets of SF. Actually, I think I owe you at least a few beers if not lunch. (Contact me off-list to take me up on the offer.) :-) -lucas On 2/18/08, David Huynh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, As you might know, I have recently finished my Ph.D. study, and within a few months I'll be moving on to a real job at Metaweb. ... Thanks, David ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
Re: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit
Hi David, I'll chime in with the others with my congratulations! You've been extremely helpful and I am sure Metaweb will be glad to have you. As for opinions as to where to go with Timeline and Exhibit, I wouldn't mind seeing them become open source projects. I'd be happy to continue contributing in what small ways that I can. As for where to host the code, I do not have any practical experience, so I can't really offer any concrete advise here, but i would like to point out the obvious. Where ever the code ends up being hosted, it will need to be 1) extremely reliable and 2) very fast. Because Exhibit is hosted for all of its users, if the host goes down or experiences a bottleneck, everyone who uses Exhibit is affected. It makes me wonder if there is some way of mirroring the host and load sharing between the mirrors... Scott ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
Re: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit
Neil Ireson wrote: Hi David, There is definitely a possibility of maintaining a development group at MIT, funding permits. Do you think that is a better venue than an external open source project? Is it more trustworthy? Not more trustworthy but where ever the code resides it would be good to have a core of developers who can control the code base, especially until the it's comfortably sitting in the Open Source community. I have to say that Open Source contributors (like myself) tend to be good at debugging and tweaking to fix/add bits of functionality but this can lead to inconsistencies in the code. For a successful project you still need some people to ensure that the code develops as a whole and this means maintaining and improving the architecture and ensuring any changes adhere to that architecture, to avoid developing some Frankenstein monster. Hi Neil, I see your point. I'm afraid that the challenge is to gather that core of developers at MIT--it's a lot harder than one might think, and perhaps harder than getting a team of open source developers. Open source developers contribute because they need the code to work better, and they just need to get the code on their computers and tinker. Institutions hire developers because somewhere within the hierarchies somebodies make some policies or bless some projects after getting convinced by somebodies else how the code bases can benefit them in some vague ways in the future... Then the cost center gets the bill; meetings are scheduled; resources get allocated; job descriptions get written, corrected, debated, torn, rewritten, posted, ... You get the idea :-) But actually, another way to look at it is to shift your timeline: what we already have now is a core of developers who can control the code base, and we want in a few months for the code to be comfortably sitting in the Open Source community. So I think we are in agreement, but with a time difference. :-) I have to say that in the end I'm not a UI developer and so I'm unlikely to make much of a contribution to Exhibit, however I am very interested in seeing if it can be taken forward in the ways recently discussed here (re Backstage). I would have also thought that given the interest Exhibit has created in its short life it offers a very good opportunity for MIT to get a lot of quality publicity and this would convince the bods with the cheque books to fund further development, at least in the short term. I wish it were so. But let's face it, Exhibit's publicity is minuscule compared to MIT's publicity. In fact, it's hard for me to quantify how much Exhibit is used or is relied upon. I don't know how many people will scream if simile.mit.edu goes down tomorrow for a day. Maybe we need a survey to quantify that. The way I see it, there are interests on this mailing list to keep some of our tools running. I can't speak for the interests of those with cheque books, though. Anyway, this is a tough problem. I just want to make sure we cover all bases. David ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
Re: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit
David, you have been fantastic! Have learned a great deal from you and more importantly, have been impressed with how much you care. Don't disappear! Best Bob Moran On Feb 18, 2008, at 6:25 PM, David Huynh wrote: Hi Michael, Thanks for your well wishes! I'm looking forward to getting real money after 6.5 years of grad student salary ... :-) And thanks for volunteering to help us out! Right now the first order of business is to determine 1. where should the code live happily ever after? 2. who shall tend the code? I think once we all agree on the answers to those questions then we can fill in the details of the plan. Some believe that the first question is more important than the second, and some think the opposite. I don't have a strong opinion here. If you have any experience in the past dealing with code base transition, please help us think through this. David Hausenblas, Michael wrote: David, Congrats and all the best for your new job. I guess you already have experienced how a 'real job' feels, now the difference might only be the fact that you get 'real money' ;) However, I hope you'll be around and help to community grow, as of my part I'd be happy to contribute (we already use timeline/ exhibit productive and plan more) to it. Whatever is needed in the following areas: RDFa, GRDDL, microformats, etc. I volunteer to document, promote and/or help to develop. Keep up the great work! Cheers, Michael -- Michael Hausenblas, MSc. Institute of Information Systems Information Management JOANNEUM RESEARCH Forschungsgesellschaft mbH Steyrergasse 17, A-8010 Graz, AUSTRIA office phone: +43-316-876-1193 (fax:-1191) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.joanneum.at/iis/ https:// webmail.joanneum.at/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http:// www.joanneum.at/iis/ private mobile: +43-660-7621761 web: http://www.sw-app.org/ https://webmail.joanneum.at/ exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.sw-app.org/ -- ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
Re: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit
David Huynh wrote: Hi all, As you might know, I have recently finished my Ph.D. study, and within a few months I'll be moving on to a real job at Metaweb. The Metaweb folks have been kind to let me dedicate some time toward open source involvement, which means that I can continue to work on Timeline, Exhibit, etc. to some extent. However, it is clear that I won't be able to dedicate as much time to those projects as I can right now. So, it is crucial that we arrange for more people to get involved in those projects so that those projects continue to thrive. One possibility is to move the code bases onto an open source foundry, such as Google Code, and invite the more programming capable among yourself to maintain and improve them further. Note that this solution is even better than the current situation, as there will be more capable people involved than just me alone. Together we'll work out the knowledge transfer, etc. etc. over the next few months. Please don't hesitate to chime in here if you have other ideas or just want to speak your mind. The worst thing that can happen is that nobody expresses their concerns, no transition gets made, and the good code just withers away. Thanks, David ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
RE: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit
Hi David, I'm sure I'll be the first of many to say good luck in the new job. I think it's a shame that they let you have your PhD before you'd properly finished Exhibit but what can you do in the face of these falling educational standards. Obviously Exhibit has a large, active and eager user base, however it seems to date that there is no real development outside of the MIT Simile group. Is there a possibility of maintaining an active developmental group at MIT? N Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:16:20 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: general@simile.mit.edu Subject: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit Hi all, As you might know, I have recently finished my Ph.D. study, and within a few months I'll be moving on to a real job at Metaweb. The Metaweb folks have been kind to let me dedicate some time toward open source involvement, which means that I can continue to work on Timeline, Exhibit, etc. to some extent. However, it is clear that I won't be able to dedicate as much time to those projects as I can right now. So, it is crucial that we arrange for more people to get involved in those projects so that those projects continue to thrive. One possibility is to move the code bases onto an open source foundry, such as Google Code, and invite the more programming capable among yourself to maintain and improve them further. Note that this solution is even better than the current situation, as there will be more capable people involved than just me alone. Together we'll work out the knowledge transfer, etc. etc. over the next few months. Please don't hesitate to chime in here if you have other ideas or just want to speak your mind. The worst thing that can happen is that nobody expresses their concerns, no transition gets made, and the good code just withers away. Thanks, David ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general _ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
Re: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit
Hi David, Congrats to your PhD and a new job! I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you for what you've done for the Simile projects. You guys have done an amazing job, making Semantic web accessible to the larger technical community. I, personally, would like to thank you for helping me out in my investigation of the semantic web technology a few years ago. While your contributions to PiggyBank and other Simile projects are significant, it's the effort to keep the source code open, and the on going support, which you've done in a timely manner continuously, that helps spread the technology to a much wider audience. Let's keep in touch. When you come out to the Bay Area, I would very much like to meet you in person, and take you around for a sight seeing tour. Chung Le Founder and President, RD3 Software Corp. David Huynh wrote: Hi all, As you might know, I have recently finished my Ph.D. study, and within a few months I'll be moving on to a real job at Metaweb. The Metaweb folks have been kind to let me dedicate some time toward open source involvement, which means that I can continue to work on Timeline, Exhibit, etc. to some extent. However, it is clear that I won't be able to dedicate as much time to those projects as I can right now. So, it is crucial that we arrange for more people to get involved in those projects so that those projects continue to thrive. One possibility is to move the code bases onto an open source foundry, such as Google Code, and invite the more programming capable among yourself to maintain and improve them further. Note that this solution is even better than the current situation, as there will be more capable people involved than just me alone. Together we'll work out the knowledge transfer, etc. etc. over the next few months. Please don't hesitate to chime in here if you have other ideas or just want to speak your mind. The worst thing that can happen is that nobody expresses their concerns, no transition gets made, and the good code just withers away. Thanks, David ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
RE: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit
David, Thanks for all of your outstanding work here. The Exhibit / Timeline projects are excellent libraries and their usage will continue to grow. I would like to assist in providing documentation for this project. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Huynh Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:16 AM To: General List Subject: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit Hi all, As you might know, I have recently finished my Ph.D. study, and within a few months I'll be moving on to a real job at Metaweb. The Metaweb folks have been kind to let me dedicate some time toward open source involvement, which means that I can continue to work on Timeline, Exhibit, etc. to some extent. However, it is clear that I won't be able to dedicate as much time to those projects as I can right now. So, it is crucial that we arrange for more people to get involved in those projects so that those projects continue to thrive. One possibility is to move the code bases onto an open source foundry, such as Google Code, and invite the more programming capable among yourself to maintain and improve them further. Note that this solution is even better than the current situation, as there will be more capable people involved than just me alone. Together we'll work out the knowledge transfer, etc. etc. over the next few months. Please don't hesitate to chime in here if you have other ideas or just want to speak your mind. The worst thing that can happen is that nobody expresses their concerns, no transition gets made, and the good code just withers away. Thanks, David ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
Re: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit
Smith, Christopher (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote: David, Thanks for all of your outstanding work here. The Exhibit / Timeline projects are excellent libraries and their usage will continue to grow. I would like to assist in providing documentation for this project. that's easy---just start editing the wiki... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Huynh Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:16 AM To: General List Subject: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit Hi all, As you might know, I have recently finished my Ph.D. study, and within a few months I'll be moving on to a real job at Metaweb. The Metaweb folks have been kind to let me dedicate some time toward open source involvement, which means that I can continue to work on Timeline, Exhibit, etc. to some extent. However, it is clear that I won't be able to dedicate as much time to those projects as I can right now. So, it is crucial that we arrange for more people to get involved in those projects so that those projects continue to thrive. One possibility is to move the code bases onto an open source foundry, such as Google Code, and invite the more programming capable among yourself to maintain and improve them further. Note that this solution is even better than the current situation, as there will be more capable people involved than just me alone. Together we'll work out the knowledge transfer, etc. etc. over the next few months. Please don't hesitate to chime in here if you have other ideas or just want to speak your mind. The worst thing that can happen is that nobody expresses their concerns, no transition gets made, and the good code just withers away. Thanks, David ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
Re: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit
Hi Chung, You're very welcome--it is my pleasure! When I get over to the Bay Area, I will get in touch with you! I should take this opportunity to point out that much of the credit should go to the rest of our team, who, among many other duties, have been busy behind the curtain setting up the infrastructures and keeping them running smoothly. And what works so smoothly becomes invisible. David Chung Le wrote: Hi David, Congrats to your PhD and a new job! I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you for what you've done for the Simile projects. You guys have done an amazing job, making Semantic web accessible to the larger technical community. I, personally, would like to thank you for helping me out in my investigation of the semantic web technology a few years ago. While your contributions to PiggyBank and other Simile projects are significant, it's the effort to keep the source code open, and the on going support, which you've done in a timely manner continuously, that helps spread the technology to a much wider audience. Let's keep in touch. When you come out to the Bay Area, I would very much like to meet you in person, and take you around for a sight seeing tour. Chung Le Founder and President, RD3 Software Corp. ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
Re: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit
Hi David, David Huynh wrote: Hi all, As you might know, I have recently finished my Ph.D. study, and within a few months I'll be moving on to a real job at Metaweb. Tremendous congratulations! It is fantastic that the open community will still be able to benefit from your considerable skills while at Metaweb! Best of luck, David! Mike ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
RE: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit
David, Congrats and all the best for your new job. I guess you already have experienced how a 'real job' feels, now the difference might only be the fact that you get 'real money' ;) However, I hope you'll be around and help to community grow, as of my part I'd be happy to contribute (we already use timeline/exhibit productive and plan more) to it. Whatever is needed in the following areas: RDFa, GRDDL, microformats, etc. I volunteer to document, promote and/or help to develop. Keep up the great work! Cheers, Michael -- Michael Hausenblas, MSc. Institute of Information Systems Information Management JOANNEUM RESEARCH Forschungsgesellschaft mbH Steyrergasse 17, A-8010 Graz, AUSTRIA office phone: +43-316-876-1193 (fax:-1191) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.joanneum.at/iis/ https://webmail.joanneum.at/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.joanneum.at/iis/ private mobile: +43-660-7621761 web: http://www.sw-app.org/ https://webmail.joanneum.at/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.sw-app.org/ -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of David Huynh Sent: Mon 2008-02-18 17:16 To: General List Subject: My departure + the future of Timeline and Exhibit Hi all, As you might know, I have recently finished my Ph.D. study, and within a few months I'll be moving on to a real job at Metaweb. The Metaweb folks have been kind to let me dedicate some time toward open source involvement, which means that I can continue to work on Timeline, Exhibit, etc. to some extent. However, it is clear that I won't be able to dedicate as much time to those projects as I can right now. So, it is crucial that we arrange for more people to get involved in those projects so that those projects continue to thrive. One possibility is to move the code bases onto an open source foundry, such as Google Code, and invite the more programming capable among yourself to maintain and improve them further. Note that this solution is even better than the current situation, as there will be more capable people involved than just me alone. Together we'll work out the knowledge transfer, etc. etc. over the next few months. Please don't hesitate to chime in here if you have other ideas or just want to speak your mind. The worst thing that can happen is that nobody expresses their concerns, no transition gets made, and the good code just withers away. Thanks, David ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general ___ General mailing list General@simile.mit.edu http://simile.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/general
