Re: [gentoo-dev] default RDEPEND?

2006-04-29 Thread Alin Nastac
Carsten Lohrke wrote: RDEPEND=cvs? ( dev-util/cvs ) svn? ( dev-util/subversion ) !cvs? ( ! svn? ( dev-util/cvs ) ) Huh? How about: RDEPEND=|| ( dev-util/cvs dev-util/subversion ) IMO, your example is a USE flag abuse. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] default RDEPEND?

2006-04-29 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 29 April 2006 03:08, Alin Nastac wrote: Carsten Lohrke wrote: RDEPEND=cvs? ( dev-util/cvs ) svn? ( dev-util/subversion ) !cvs? ( ! svn? ( dev-util/cvs ) ) Huh? How about: RDEPEND=|| ( dev-util/cvs dev-util/subversion ) IMO, your example is a USE flag abuse. not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-29 Thread Jan Kundrát
Ryan Phillips wrote: Stable and unstable keywords are a hack on top of a version control system. We wouldn't have them if gentoo used an SCM that supports true branches. There would be no need. Umm, I'm not an ebuild dev, but how would users mix stable and unstable packages in such a case?

Re: [gentoo-dev] default RDEPEND?

2006-04-29 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Saturday 29 April 2006 09:08, Alin Nastac wrote: Huh? How about: RDEPEND=|| ( dev-util/cvs dev-util/subversion ) Similar problem as with Tuan's version: It's intransparent to the user and he has no choice, unless he looks into the ebuild. || ( foo bar ) is only an option, if you have two

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-29 Thread Dan Armak
On Friday 28 April 2006 20:14, Ryan Phillips wrote: __Problem: Live Tree__ Having a live tree requires people to be perfect. People are not perfect and requiring it is ridiculous. I love having commits in my local tree within the hour, but having a stable and unstable branch makes a lot of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-29 Thread Dan Armak
On Friday 28 April 2006 23:42, Ryan Phillips wrote: svn + Atomic Commits + Merging/tagging/brancing is a simple copy operation http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch04.html + lots of benefits http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn.intro.features.html there is more I'm sure

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-29 Thread Fernando J. Pereda
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 03:02:46PM +0300, Dan Armak wrote: On Friday 28 April 2006 23:42, Ryan Phillips wrote: svn + Atomic Commits + Merging/tagging/brancing is a simple copy operation http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch04.html + lots of benefits

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-29 Thread Dan Armak
On Saturday 29 April 2006 15:21, Fernando J. Pereda wrote: The commit marked with @ is a special comit called a 'merge'. I hope that clarifies the merge tracking part. You just described what merging is. Svn can do that too with svn merge. But, if I merge changesets from branch A to B

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-29 Thread Fernando J. Pereda
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 03:54:17PM +0300, Dan Armak wrote: On Saturday 29 April 2006 15:21, Fernando J. Pereda wrote: The commit marked with @ is a special comit called a 'merge'. I hope that clarifies the merge tracking part. You just described what merging is. Svn can do that too with svn

Re: [gentoo-dev] ACCESS DENIED during emerge

2006-04-29 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Saturday 29 April 2006 05:01, Drake Wyrm wrote: I stand corrected. Might it be acceptable, though, to set it with something like No, it's an user variable. -- Diego Flameeyes Pettenò - http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/ Gentoo/Alt lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, AMD64, Sound, PAM, KDE

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-29 Thread Daniel Goller
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What is interesting is that Source Mage Linux has already voted on a proposal similar to mine[2]. I truly think that making some changes in the gentoo way would benefit us and make gentoo a truly better distribution. Ryan Gentoo Developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-29 Thread Bryan Østergaard
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 05:01:20PM -0500, Daniel Goller wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thomas Cort wrote: On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 21:42:57 +0200 Bryan Østergaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So.. What can we do to improve things? I think that there should be some sort

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-29 Thread Jon Portnoy
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 08:41:31AM -0500, Daniel Goller wrote: inviting community) and why you think stricter test make for better developers, why you think harder tests would cut down more on the quick in and out people. Empirical evidence agrees. Our current quiz practices have done a good

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-29 Thread Daniel Goller
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jon Portnoy wrote: On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 08:41:31AM -0500, Daniel Goller wrote: inviting community) and why you think stricter test make for better developers, why you think harder tests would cut down more on the quick in and out people.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-29 Thread Bryan Østergaard
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 08:05:06PM -0500, Daniel Goller wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Simon Stelling wrote: Hi Ryan, Ryan Phillips wrote: I believe the way Gentoo is doing things is broken. There I have said it. The entire project has reached a level of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-29 Thread Jon Portnoy
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 09:38:17AM -0500, Daniel Goller wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jon Portnoy wrote: On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 08:41:31AM -0500, Daniel Goller wrote: inviting community) and why you think stricter test make for better developers, why you think

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-29 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jan Kundrát wrote: Ryan Phillips wrote: Stable and unstable keywords are a hack on top of a version control system. We wouldn't have them if gentoo used an SCM that supports true branches. There would be no need. Umm, I'm not an ebuild dev, but how would users mix stable and unstable

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: nxserver-freenx-0.5.0 to be masked

2006-04-29 Thread Stuart Herbert
On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 00:41 +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote: Stuart Herbert wrote: What is the reason for the mask? Modular Xorg incompatibility in nx-x11? Because it should not have been unmasked in the first place. That was a mistake on my part, to not notice that I hadn't masked it when I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union + suggestion for global dev conference (at bottom, if you want to skip)

2006-04-29 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Ryan, I hope you find these comments useful. On Fri, 2006-04-28 at 10:14 -0700, Ryan Phillips wrote: __Problem: Developer Growth__ Why do people have to take a test? There are certain skills we need a developer to demonstrate before we can give them commit access. There is currently

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union + suggestion for global dev conference (at bottom, if you want to skip)

2006-04-29 Thread Tim Yamin
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 10:33:11PM +0100, Stuart Herbert wrote: __Problem: Developer Growth__ Why do people have to take a test? There are certain skills we need a developer to demonstrate before we can give them commit access. There is currently no opportunity for a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-29 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Alexandre Buisse wrote: The opensolaris project has done a similar thing[1]. The three finalists were bazaar[2], mercurial[3] and git[4], and the winner was eventually mercurial. This is also the recommended choice from the EuroBSDcon slides, so definitely something to consider. Indeed,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union + suggestion for global dev conference (at bottom, if you want to skip)

2006-04-29 Thread Lance Albertson
Stuart Herbert wrote: __Problem: CVS__ CVS is one of the worst application ever created. Hear, hear. I'd like to see a move to Subversion made a priority for 2006. If there are problems with Subversion's performance with our tree, engage with its authors to obtain improvements. But

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union + suggestion for global dev conference (at bottom, if you want to skip)

2006-04-29 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 08:55:52PM -0500, Lance Albertson wrote: Stuart Herbert wrote: __Problem: CVS__ CVS is one of the worst application ever created. Hear, hear. I'd like to see a move to Subversion made a priority for 2006. If there are problems with Subversion's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-29 Thread Greg KH
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 05:00:10PM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Alexandre Buisse wrote: The opensolaris project has done a similar thing[1]. The three finalists were bazaar[2], mercurial[3] and git[4], and the winner was eventually mercurial. This is also the recommended choice from the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union + suggestion for global dev conference (at bottom, if you want to skip)

2006-04-29 Thread Ryan Phillips
Stuart Herbert wrote: I'm offering to lead the effort to establish a global Gentoo developer conference, and to do whatever it takes to get everything we need to make this happen. Now who's up for this? :) Best regards, Stu That sounds like a great idea. -Ryan --

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] portage management node

2006-04-29 Thread Brian
On Sun, 2006-09-04 at 11:42 -0700, Zac Medico wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian wrote: Just a word of caution. I don't know why but sometimes after an upgrade of portage a reload(portage) in porthole fails and porthole crashes. I don't remember the details atm

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: Refactoring of emerge code

2006-04-29 Thread m h
Upon further testing, I'm updating a line in the patch On 4/28/06, m h [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks- I'm submitting a patch of a refactoring of the emerge code in 2.1_pre9-r5. This patch adds no features per se. But I believe it makes the code much more readable. This only addresses the

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Re: Refactoring of emerge code

2006-04-29 Thread Alec Warner
Is there any chance you can break this up? Mostly one patch for each * below? OTherwise it's rather large ( 1000 lines ) and is difficult to figure out what/when/where happened m h wrote: Upon further testing, I'm updating a line in the patch On 4/28/06, m h [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Re: Refactoring of emerge code

2006-04-29 Thread m h
Yes, I can break it up, but it will probably be 3 one line changes and one big 1000 line change. The 1000 line change is pretty straightforward. The only real code changes per se are removing any default logic (and placing it under the __main__ section). Let me see what I can do... I also