[gentoo-dev] Re: Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-09-02 Thread Wiktor Wandachowicz
Donnie Berkholz wrote: When I think about where Gentoo was when we turned into a democracy years ago, and where Gentoo is now, I don't see much of a difference on the large scale. We lack any global vision for where Gentoo is going, we can't agree on who our audience is, and everyone's just

[gentoo-dev] Gentoo 2006.1

2006-09-02 Thread Edgar Hucek
Apeal on extended testing : Developer, please test things more carefull before you release it. I already found things which does not compile out of the box. 1.) Use wacom does not compile out of the box. You have to unmask linuxwacom. 2.) Enable the use flage accessibility gnome cant be merged.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo 2006.1

2006-09-02 Thread Jakub Moc
Edgar Hucek wrote: Apeal on extended testing : Developer, please test things more carefull before you release it. I already found things which does not compile out of the box. 1.) Use wacom does not compile out of the box. You have to unmask linuxwacom. Shrug. Noone even filed a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo 2006.1

2006-09-02 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:34:38 +0200 Edgar Hucek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apeal on extended testing : Developer, please test things more carefull before you release it. There are over 10,000 packages in the tree (11247 to be exact); each of which can be built many ways with USE flags. It is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo 2006.1

2006-09-02 Thread Edgar Hucek
Jakub Moc schrieb: Edgar Hucek wrote: Apeal on extended testing : Developer, please test things more carefull before you release it. I already found things which does not compile out of the box. 1.) Use wacom does not compile out of the box. You have to unmask linuxwacom. Shrug. Noone

The Age of the Universe (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo 2006.1)

2006-09-02 Thread Danny van Dyk
Am Samstag, 2. September 2006 13:18 schrieb Edgar Hucek: 2.) Enable the use flage accessibility gnome cant be merged. It fails on compile the speech-tools. It seams that USE flags are not realy tested or how can it happen that there are already know bugs in the stable distro ?

[gentoo-dev] Re: The Age of the Universe

2006-09-02 Thread Edgar Hucek
Danny van Dyk schrieb: Am Samstag, 2. September 2006 13:18 schrieb Edgar Hucek: 2.) Enable the use flage accessibility gnome cant be merged. It fails on compile the speech-tools. It seams that USE flags are not realy tested or how can it happen that there are already know bugs in the stable

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The Age of the Universe

2006-09-02 Thread Charlie
On 02/09/06, Edgar Hucek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Realy funny, i only hear exuses but no real solution for the problem.The universe ending before testing is finished is a pretty good excuse.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The Age of the Universe

2006-09-02 Thread Simon Stelling
Edgar Hucek wrote: Just a side hint. Try to enable all flags at the first cimpile time would reduce trys drasticaly ;) If you had a look at the php ebuild (just because we took it as example here), you'd see that it is a bit more complicated than just enabling everything to have everything

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo 2006.1

2006-09-02 Thread Alec Warner
Edgar Hucek wrote: From my point of view, should it be garanted that a package and depencies compiles when all use flags are enabled. If a depency can't be compiled the use flag and depence should be dissabled/removed from a package. cu Edgar (gimli) Hucek Give us about 3000 more

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The Age of the Universe

2006-09-02 Thread Jakub Moc
Edgar Hucek wrote: Danny van Dyk schrieb: This hasn't yet investigated allt he possible combinations of packages depending on dev-lang/php, or the ~10,000 other packages in the tree. Danny Just a side hint. Try to enable all flags at the first cimpile time would reduce trys drasticaly ;)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The Age of the Universe

2006-09-02 Thread Simon Stelling
Edgar Hucek wrote: I know my tools but not necessarly the normal user who wanna use gentoo and is ending frustrated. If the users are too lazy to read the documentation, why should we care about them? -- Kind Regards, Simon Stelling Gentoo/AMD64 developer -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The Age of the Universe

2006-09-02 Thread Stephen P. Becker
I know my tools but not necessarly the normal user who wanna use gentoo and is ending frustrated. cu Edgar (gimli) Hucek Enrico? Is that you in disguise? -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Re: The Age of the Universe

2006-09-02 Thread Duncan
Simon Stelling [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:14:47 +0200: Edgar Hucek wrote: I know my tools but not necessarly the normal user who wanna use gentoo and is ending frustrated. If the users are too lazy to read the documentation, why

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The Age of the Universe

2006-09-02 Thread Mike Doty
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Edgar Hucek wrote: Danny van Dyk schrieb: Am Samstag, 2. September 2006 13:18 schrieb Edgar Hucek: 2.) Enable the use flage accessibility gnome cant be merged. It fails on compile the speech-tools. It seams that USE flags are not realy tested or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The Age of the Universe

2006-09-02 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Sat, Sep 02, 2006 at 08:55:33AM -0500, Mike Doty wrote: If that's not good enough for you, please find a distribution that you have to pay for like RHEL. Their testing is no better than ours, but at least paying something entitles you to bitch at them. Or consider paying a Gentoo developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paid support

2006-09-02 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Sat, Sep 02, 2006 at 08:55:33AM -0500, Mike Doty wrote: If that's not good enough for you, please find a distribution that you have to pay for like RHEL. Their testing is no better than ours, but at least paying something entitles you to bitch at them. Or consider

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paid support

2006-09-02 Thread Aaron Kulbe
On 9/2/06, Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Sat, Sep 02, 2006 at 08:55:33AM -0500, Mike Doty wrote: If that's not good enough for you, please find a distribution that you have to pay for like RHEL.Their testing is no better than ours, but at least paying

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo 2006.1

2006-09-02 Thread Joshua Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Edgar Hucek wrote: Apeal on extended testing : Developer, please test things more carefull before you release it. I already found things which does not compile out of the box. 1.) Use wacom does not compile out of the box. You have to unmask

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paid support

2006-09-02 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On 9/2/06, Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It might be worth putting together a list of folks interested in doing this on the Gentoo website, under a Third-party Paid Support section. We already have a Support link on the top of www.g.o, it could be on that page. I was thinking about

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo 2006.1

2006-09-02 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/2/06, Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give us about 3000 more developers, and sure* ;) I don't think that that's good thing to be saying to our users. We didn't need 3000 more developers ... we just needed to give the developers we have more reasonable notice. This is the second

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paid support

2006-09-02 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi, On 9/2/06, Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It might be worth putting together a list of folks interested in doing this on the Gentoo website, under a Third-party Paid Support section. We already have a Support link on the top of www.g.o, it could be on that page. This is a good

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The Age of the Universe

2006-09-02 Thread Carsten Lohrke
Seems my message got swallowed... On Saturday 02 September 2006 15:36, Edgar Hucek wrote: Just a side hint. Try to enable all flags at the first cimpile time would reduce trys drasticaly ;) There are lots of use flag combinations incompatible with each other within a package as well as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo 2006.1

2006-09-02 Thread Dan Meltzer
On 9/2/06, Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/06, Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give us about 3000 more developers, and sure* ;) I don't think that that's good thing to be saying to our users. Is it a bad thing to be saying to your developers? We didn't need 3000 more

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paid support

2006-09-02 Thread Ioannis Aslanidis
Stuart Herbert wrote: Hi, We'll also need to sort out a process for handling complaints against developers from the folks they help. Doesn't matter how well we make it clear that these folks are independent; their actions will reflect on Gentoo as a whole, and unhappy customers _will_ complain

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The Age of the Universe

2006-09-02 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Sunday 03 September 2006 00:16, Carsten Lohrke wrote: Neither Gnome nor KDE (no use flag in this case) accessibiliy stuff builds now - and bug 116030 is open since nine months. And waiting other 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 months won't change the thing. Why? Because we have _no_ accessibility team right

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo 2006.1

2006-09-02 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/2/06, Dan Meltzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/06, Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/06, Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give us about 3000 more developers, and sure* ;) I don't think that that's good thing to be saying to our users. Is it a bad thing to be saying

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo 2006.1

2006-09-02 Thread Dan Meltzer
On 9/2/06, Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/06, Dan Meltzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/06, Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/06, Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give us about 3000 more developers, and sure* ;) I don't think that that's good thing to

[gentoo-dev] prozilla

2006-09-02 Thread Alec Warner
Was removed due to repeated security issues, see bug 70090. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] treecleaner removals

2006-09-02 Thread Alec Warner
5 min ago gentoo Commit by antarus :: gentoo-x86/x11-plugins/gkrellm-alltraxclock/ (5 files in 2 dirs): removing x11-plugins/gkrellm-alltraxclock for bug # 62373 This package hadn't been touched since 2002 and didn't compile # 6 min ago gentoo Commit by antarus ::

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-09-02 Thread Richard Fish
On 9/2/06, Wiktor Wandachowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose that there is a way that Gentoo can follow, only that its leaders, developers and users need to see it clearly. Is there a publicly visible page that contains current goals for new releases? Where all sub-project leaders could add

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paid support

2006-09-02 Thread Mike Doty
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Donnie Berkholz wrote: Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Sat, Sep 02, 2006 at 08:55:33AM -0500, Mike Doty wrote: If that's not good enough for you, please find a distribution that you have to pay for like RHEL. Their testing is no better than ours, but

[gentoo-dev] Re: The Age of the Universe

2006-09-02 Thread Ryan Hill
Carsten Lohrke wrote: we're understaffed, partly - and this is my very personal opinion - the problem is that releasing with GCC 4.x has been rushed I'd have to agree with you on that. I understand the appeal of exciting press releases but there were over 75 GCC 4.1 bugs still open for