Re: [gentoo-dev] a new TLP to unify programming langiages?

2006-10-12 Thread George Shapovalov
середа, 11. жовтень 2006 23:12, Stuart Herbert Ви написали: We don't need a management hierarchy just to bring some structure to the docs on the website.I don't see any benefit in creating a TLP for programming languages. If we were to move programming languages around, for example, I'd

Re: [gentoo-dev] a new TLP to unify programming langiages?

2006-10-12 Thread George Shapovalov
середа, 11. жовтень 2006 22:30, Matthew Kennedy Ви написали: I think this proposal is OK even it is just to organize the top level listing a bit better. It seems like a real mix right now -- Council next to Common Lisp, PR next to Python and so on etc. Yea, this is exactly why I want to

Re: [gentoo-dev] a new TLP to unify programming langiages?

2006-10-12 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/12/06, George Shapovalov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funnily I already got questions like is this thing only to move stuff around? I would be all for it if it had a bit more meat. I added that PPS expecting questions like that would be asked. Of course, realistically I do not think anything

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/11/06, Stephen Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We also use space-delimited depend atoms everywhere else. It makes no sense to break that when a comma works equally well. I'm sorry, are you telling everyone that it's too difficult for you to write an ungreedy regex that also tests for

Re: [gentoo-dev] a new TLP to unify programming langiages?

2006-10-12 Thread Luca Barbato
George Shapovalov wrote: Well, it seemed like a small tool, having a TLP for which is a gross overkill, eselect is anything but a small tool... I'd just reorder docs in a more rational way but let our flat tlp as is. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/11/06, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not an issue for me. It's an issue for random people writing scripts, for people using command line things and for people who don't want to use a full parser framework for some quick hack. There's no need to make things harder for random

Re: [gentoo-dev] a new TLP to unify programming langiages?

2006-10-12 Thread Alexandre Buisse
On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 19:33:16 +0200, George Shapovalov wrote: Hi gang. [snip] The principal list of individual TLPs (as they stand now) is below: Common Lisp eselect java perl php python Ada -- to be added Hi, if you go ahead with it, we'll probably want to add a ml subproject.

[gentoo-dev] Last rites for net-im/kopete

2006-10-12 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
As per summary, net-im/kopete is going away (again). For a while upstrem released some versions out of the KDE release cycle (0.12_alpha through 0.12.2), but now 0.12.3 was merged again inside kdenetwork-3.5.5, so the point of having it in net-im is gone again. As I've heard the most foolish

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:52:42 +0100 Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, are you telling everyone that it's too difficult for you to write an ungreedy regex that also tests for the possibility of a list bounded by [ and ] being part of an atom? No. I'm saying that it's more

Re: [gentoo-dev] a new TLP to unify programming langiages?

2006-10-12 Thread Caleb Cushing
This isn't going to bring any benefits to anyone. If you want to help users find docs on programming languages on Gentoo (assuming there _are_ any users who don't know how to Google for such things), just get the docs team to organise 'Programming Languages on Gentoo' docs category on [1].

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-12 Thread Caleb Cushing
I know what unsupported means chris. what I'm referring to though are bugs that would affect i686 as well. but possibly get closed because a dev, like yourself, requested emerge --info and saw it was build on i686 and closes it for that reason. probably RESOLVED WONTFIX . On 10/11/06, Chris

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Natanael Copa
On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 22:17 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:08:31 +0100 Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On 10/11/06, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Spaces in dep atoms would be highly evil, since it'd mean they were | no longer simply space

[gentoo-dev] Spider's Resignation from the Project

2006-10-12 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Dear All, I'm forwarding this on behalf of Spider. If anyone would like to send a message to him, please respond to me privately and I'll forward your wishes along. Thanks, Seemant --- BEGIN Well, I guess the time has come to say farewell. Not without a slight taste of bitterness in my

Re: [gentoo-dev] Spider's Resignation from the Project

2006-10-12 Thread Damian Florczyk
Seemant Kulleen napisał(a): Dear All, I'm forwarding this on behalf of Spider. If anyone would like to send a message to him, please respond to me privately and I'll forward your wishes along. Thanks, Seemant --- BEGIN Well, I guess the time has come to say farewell. Not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Brian Harring wrote: cat/pkg[use1_on,-use2_off,-use3_on] You mean use3_on, without the minus sign, right? Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:00:05 +0100 Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On 10/11/06, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Not an issue for me. It's an issue for random people writing | scripts, for people using command line things and for people who | don't want to use a full parser

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:24:36 +0200 Natanael Copa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | btw.. I keep hearing about this paladius. Is it more script-friendly | than emerge? Once we get the Ruby interface fleshed out it will be... -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail: ciaranm at ciaranm.org Web

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:52:42 +0100 Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On 10/11/06, Stephen Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | We also use space-delimited depend atoms everywhere else. It makes | no sense to break that when a comma works equally well. | | I'm sorry, are you telling

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paladius (was: GLEP 42?)

2006-10-12 Thread Natanael Copa
On Thu, 2006-10-12 at 16:18 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:24:36 +0200 Natanael Copa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | btw.. I keep hearing about this paladius. Is it more script-friendly | than emerge? Once we get the Ruby interface fleshed out it will be... What about

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Natanael Copa wrote: btw.. I keep hearing about this paladius. Is it more script-friendly than emerge? It's paludis, and no, the API is currently C++ only, afaik. There are ruby bindings in the works, though. The other alternative, pkgcore, has a python API...as does portage itself. None of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Spider's Resignation from the Project

2006-10-12 Thread Grant Goodyear
Seemant Kulleen wrote: [Thu Oct 12 2006, 08:50:33AM CDT] A typical example of the institutionalisation of the project is myself. Had anyone just bothered to send me an email I would have replied. no, he's gone, terminate the account.that part works. But. You could have told me. A

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:03:41 -0500 Andrew Gaffney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's paludis, and no, the API is currently C++ only, afaik. There are ruby bindings in the works, though. The other alternative, pkgcore, has a python API...as does portage itself. None of the options have an interface

Re: [gentoo-dev] Spider's Resignation from the Project

2006-10-12 Thread Lance Albertson
Grant Goodyear wrote: Seemant Kulleen wrote: [Thu Oct 12 2006, 08:50:33AM CDT] A typical example of the institutionalisation of the project is myself. Had anyone just bothered to send me an email I would have replied. no, he's gone, terminate the account.that part works. But. You

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-12 Thread Peter Weber
Hi, im sorry about creating a flamewar. But their are a view points that disturb me really: - The same installtion (networkless!) possibilites should be offered to the people who install via the shell (the oldschool an most often used way i believe), the ncurses-installer and the gtk-installer. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] a new TLP to unify programming langiages?

2006-10-12 Thread George Shapovalov
четвер, 12. жовтень 2006 10:47, Stuart Herbert написав: This isn't going to bring any benefits to anyone. If you want to help users find docs on programming languages on Gentoo (assuming there _are_ any users who don't know how to Google for such things), just get the docs team to organise

[gentoo-dev] Troubleshooters for Gentoo

2006-10-12 Thread Maurice van der Pot
Hi, I've noticed in the past that a lot of people come to irc with problems in some area (say networking) that are easy to solve just by first asking a number of questions to identify the problem and then providing the solution. I've always liked the way Microsoft put these troubleshooters in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paladius (was: GLEP 42?)

2006-10-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:41:20 +0200 Natanael Copa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Thu, 2006-10-12 at 16:18 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:24:36 +0200 Natanael Copa | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | btw.. I keep hearing about this paladius. Is it more | | script-friendly than

Re: [gentoo-dev] Troubleshooters for Gentoo

2006-10-12 Thread Caleb Cushing
I have a couple of questions: 1) Does this sound like a good idea? 2) Does anyone feel like pouring his/her troubleshooting skills into content for my program? 1.) maybe microsofts troubleshooter sucks, it never solved a single problem I had. this will only be a good Idea if we're

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-12 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2006-10-12 at 20:06 +0200, Peter Weber wrote: - The same installtion (networkless!) possibilites should be offered to the people who install via the shell (the oldschool an most often used way i believe), the ncurses-installer and the gtk-installer. I personally think a real Stage-3

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-12 Thread Luca Barbato
Do not top post, is rude. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting Peter Weber wrote: You seem to think that the discussion is around you, and your work :-) It is about Gentoo, please keep this in mind. Nobody says YOU have to make the work, or that you are doing sth. wrong. You could do

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Alon Bar-Lev (alonbl)

2006-10-12 Thread Eldad Zack
On Thursday 12 October 2006 02:19, Michael Cummings wrote: On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 08:35 -0700, Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote: Eldad Zack wrote: Christian Heim wrote: Its my pleasure to introduce to you Alon alonbl Bar-Lev, the latest addition joining to help out with the crypto herd.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Spider's Resignation from the Project

2006-10-12 Thread Duncan
Lance Albertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:56:02 -0500: Grant Goodyear wrote: Seemant Kulleen wrote: [Thu Oct 12 2006, 08:50:33AM CDT] A typical example of the institutionalisation of the project [...] A minor correction here: