Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI-1 (or 1, perhaps) Proposal: AND Dependencies

2007-06-18 Thread Kent Fredric
On 6/18/07, Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Luca Barbato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Paludis allows users to do some-cat/foo[=4.04-3] and some-cat/foo[=4.1|=4.2|=4.3] . The syntax isn't particularly pretty, but it's cleaner than requiring

[gentoo-dev] Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-18 Thread Duncan
Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sun, 17 Jun 2007 20:08:13 +0100: Josh Saddler wrote: As we've established earlier, being closed-source is not sufficient reason for removing any program from Portage; you should have read the rest of the thread. No

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-18 Thread Steev Klimaszewski
Steve Long wrote: Stephen Bennett wrote: Not everyone sees that as a reason not to use a potentially useful piece of software. We're not debian. Could you clarify whether this is indeed a Gentoo QA issue, or in fact a licensing issue? If the latter case, this discussion should prob'y go to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-18 Thread Steev Klimaszewski
Steev Klimaszewski wrote: Steve Long wrote: Stephen Bennett wrote: Not everyone sees that as a reason not to use a potentially useful piece of software. We're not debian. Could you clarify whether this is indeed a Gentoo QA issue, or in fact a licensing issue? If the latter case, this

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-dns/bind{,-tools} needs an active maintainer

2007-06-18 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 12:18 -0500, Martin Jackson wrote: Christian Heim wrote: On Sunday 17 June 2007 14:43:59 Konstantin V. Arkhipov wrote: i'm too busy with real life atm, is there anyone willing to help with bind's maintaining? What happened to mjolnir (as in Martin Jackson) ?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-18 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 20:05 +0100, Steve Long wrote: keep. Or is it that Skype are a big company so we have to kowtow? /me is well-confused. It has nothing to do with money or the company, and everything to do with the number of people using it. While ion3 is uncommonly used, skype is much

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-18 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 06:01 +0100, Steve Long wrote: Stephen Bennett wrote: Not everyone sees that as a reason not to use a potentially useful piece of software. We're not debian. Could you clarify whether this is indeed a Gentoo QA issue, or in fact a licensing issue? If the latter case,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-18 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 08:58 +, Duncan wrote: So at this point it's pretty much up to the maintainer. Why are the rest of us still discussing it? Because, like everything else, too many people on this list have to get in the last word. Also, there's nothing in our policy that really keeps

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-18 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 11:39:26AM -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: Internet Explorer doesn't even *run* on Gentoo. If it did, it would likely be in the tree since quite a few people would likely use it, even if just for testing. I know that if I were able to test things on IE from Linux

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-18 Thread Daniel Ostrow
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 21:11 +0200, Wernfried Haas wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 11:39:26AM -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: Internet Explorer doesn't even *run* on Gentoo. If it did, it would likely be in the tree since quite a few people would likely use it, even if just for testing. I

[gentoo-dev] Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-18 Thread Duncan
Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:50:51 -0700: On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 08:58 +, Duncan wrote: So at this point it's pretty much up to the maintainer. Why are the rest of us still discussing it? Because, like everything

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-18 Thread Steve Long
Steev Klimaszewski wrote: It is neither a QA nor license issue, its an issue of the download being unavailable. Please read the full thread. And to reply to myself - its a licensing issue since we cannot mirror the distfile. Er thanks for that ;) However, I hardly find that facist - my own

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-18 Thread Steve Long
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 06:01 +0100, Steve Long wrote: Stephen Bennett wrote: Not everyone sees that as a reason not to use a potentially useful piece of software. We're not debian. Could you clarify whether this is indeed a Gentoo QA issue, or in fact a licensing

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: EAPI-1 (or 1, perhaps) Proposal: AND Dependencies

2007-06-18 Thread Steve Long
Kent Fredric wrote: If you can, try integrate a name based syntax into the requirement. using decorative characters alone may have their uses, but there are only so many you can use, and so many combinations you can create before all your code starts looking like perl's acme eyedrops. I say

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-18 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 23:49 +0100, Steve Long wrote: Could you clarify whether this is indeed a Gentoo QA issue, or in fact a licensing issue? If the latter case, this discussion should prob'y go to the new -project ml if and when, or indeed the user forums. The problem with skype is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-18 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 23:49 +0100, Steve Long wrote: Oh I see, when it's stuff *you* care about, it's development. Cool. That's sort of the point, isn't it? Developers are here mostly to scratch their own respective itches -- so, by necessity, we talk about stuff we care about.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-18 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Chris Gianelloni wrote: If the Gentoo developers as a whole decided to dedicate this list to pink ponies, we can. Are pretty purple ponies acceptable as well? -- Andrew Gaffney http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/ Gentoo Linux Developer

[gentoo-dev] Determining ebuild stability and the 30 day suggestion (was: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree)

2007-06-18 Thread Mart Raudsepp
Hey, On E, 2007-06-18 at 11:34 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: Also, remember that stabilization is *supposed* to be about the stabilization of the *ebuild* and not the *package* itself. This sentence made me personally start looking at the policy in a different way as far as stabilization and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Determining ebuild stability and the 30 day suggestion

2007-06-18 Thread Luis Francisco Araujo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mart Raudsepp wrote: Hey, On E, 2007-06-18 at 11:34 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: Also, remember that stabilization is *supposed* to be about the stabilization of the *ebuild* and not the *package* itself. This sentence made me personally

[gentoo-dev] Re: Pony Colour Schemes [was: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree]

2007-06-18 Thread Ryan Hill
Andrew Gaffney wrote: Chris Gianelloni wrote: If the Gentoo developers as a whole decided to dedicate this list to pink ponies, we can. Are pretty purple ponies acceptable as well? As *everybody* knows, purple ponies aren't pretty. Well, maybe a little bit. -- dirtyepic

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-18 Thread Abhay Kedia
On Tuesday 19 Jun 2007 4:19:49 am Steve Long wrote: Er what? Some of us don't wish to be at the mercy of anyone, especially not some corporation nicking VOIP. That's why we use GNU software. I don't understand this attitude. Do you really have to bash everything that you do not use? Do you