[gentoo-dev] Does libtool really support parallel make installs?

2010-06-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
Hello Trying to move the following bug to upstream: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253862 He replied the following: libtool doesn't support parallel make installs. Please file a bug upstream. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28108#c1 Is it true? Should -j1 be forced then

[gentoo-dev] QA last rites for sci-biology/mpiblast

2010-06-16 Thread Diego E . Pettenò
# Diego E. Pettenò flamee...@gentoo.org (16 Jun 2010) # on behalf of QA team # # Has a number of QA issues, see bug #278192. Build happens # in src_test or src_install, and it has been failing since # July 2009 in the tinderbox. No reverse dependencies to # take into consideration. # # Removal

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding AdobeFlash-10{,.1} licenses to EULA group

2010-06-16 Thread Jim Ramsay
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn chith...@gentoo.org wrote: I propose that this license be added to the EULA group. The previous AdobeFlash-10 license is similar in this regard, and could possibly also be added to that group. Agreed, on both points, and done. Thanks for finding and airing this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding AdobeFlash-10{,.1} licenses to EULA group

2010-06-16 Thread Angelo Arrifano
On 16-06-2010 14:40, Jim Ramsay wrote: Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn chith...@gentoo.org wrote: I propose that this license be added to the EULA group. The previous AdobeFlash-10 license is similar in this regard, and could possibly also be added to that group. Agreed, on both points, and

[gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 06/16/2010 08:43 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:33:27 +0200 Sebastian Pippingsp...@gentoo.org wrote: Tone is currently not a strength of Gentoo. As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the atmosphere in Gentoo is lacking respect and empathy. That's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 6/16/10 5:33 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the atmosphere in Gentoo is lacking respect and empathy. This is really sad. And the kind of people who value that often make good developers if they also have good technical skills. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Angelo Arrifano
On 16-06-2010 18:39, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: On 6/16/10 5:33 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the atmosphere in Gentoo is lacking respect and empathy. You are not the only one hearing that. If we jump over our own fences, that will be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2010/2011 - Nominations are now open

2010-06-16 Thread George Prowse
On 05/06/2010 01:00, Torsten Veller wrote: Hello fellow developers and users. ... I'd like to nominate Amne, dsd and Antarus G

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: On 06/16/2010 08:43 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:33:27 +0200 Sebastian Pippingsp...@gentoo.org  wrote: Tone is currently not a strength of Gentoo. As I have heard there are people not joining

[gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 06/16/2010 09:18 PM, Alec Warner wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Nikos Chantziarasrea...@arcor.de wrote: On 06/16/2010 08:43 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:33:27 +0200 Sebastian Pippingsp...@gentoo.orgwrote: Tone is currently not a strength of Gentoo. As I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2010/2011 - Nominations are now open

2010-06-16 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 07:15:09PM +0100, George Prowse wrote: I'd like to nominate Amne, dsd and Antarus Thanks for the nomination, but i'll decline. cheers, Wernfried -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne (at) gentoo.org Gentoo Forums - http://forums.gentoo.org forum-mods (at) gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] Does libtool really support parallel make installs?

2010-06-16 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: Trying to move the following bug to upstream: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253862 He replied the following: libtool doesn't support parallel make installs. Please file a bug upstream.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:36:31 +0300 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: Those replies are a good example of the rude behavior the poster is referring to. The replies consisted of sarcastic questions in you're an idiot style. The only thing they do is trying to trigger a hostile

Re: [gentoo-dev] Does libtool really support parallel make installs?

2010-06-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 16-06-2010 a las 15:47 -0400, Mike Frysinger escribió: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: Trying to move the following bug to upstream: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253862 He replied the following: libtool doesn't support parallel make installs. Please

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Roy Bamford
On 2010.06.16 16:36, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/16/2010 08:43 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:33:27 +0200 Sebastian Pippingsp...@gentoo.org wrote: Tone is currently not a strength of Gentoo. As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Does libtool really support parallel make installs?

2010-06-16 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El mié, 16-06-2010 a las 15:47 -0400, Mike Frysinger escribió: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: Trying to move the following bug to upstream: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253862 He replied the following:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Does libtool really support parallel make installs?

2010-06-16 Thread Peter Volkov
В Срд, 16/06/2010 в 13:41 +0200, Pacho Ramos пишет: Trying to move the following bug to upstream: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253862 AFAIR this was never libtool bug, but automake and with recent enough automake (1.10 for sure) everything should just work. -- Peter.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Does libtool really support parallel make installs?

2010-06-16 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Peter Volkov wrote: В Срд, 16/06/2010 в 13:41 +0200, Pacho Ramos пишет: Trying to move the following bug to upstream: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253862 AFAIR this was never libtool bug, but automake and with recent enough automake (1.10 for sure)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Does libtool really support parallel make installs?

2010-06-16 Thread Peter Volkov
В Срд, 16/06/2010 в 17:21 -0400, Mike Frysinger пишет: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Peter Volkov wrote: В Срд, 16/06/2010 в 13:41 +0200, Pacho Ramos пишет: Trying to move the following bug to upstream: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253862 AFAIR this was never libtool bug,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 06/16/10 07:43, Jeroen Roovers wrote: That's a conclusion first, then a premise? Tone is not a strength of Gentoo is my own obserservation. Please be more verbose - I fail to understand the core of your question. - How come tone is so rough when we actually meant to be a friendly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Roy, On 06/16/10 21:40, Roy Bamford wrote: As a native English speaker (from England) I view Jers reply as terse and to the point, completely lacking in tone. interesting. Looking at the sentence When did you point this out to devrel? I would like to say that while it's not impolite per

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Angelo, On 06/16/10 19:07, Angelo Arrifano wrote: I've seen some bugs [sorry no references right now] where some developers point out facts in a *very* aggressive way. bug replies, yes! I remember replies like you obviously have no clue how xzz works from developer to developer on a bug

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Pawel, On 06/16/10 18:39, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: I have searched a few places for rules on tone, I believe one can't solve this problem by using rules. any ideas what could help? We need leadership. I remember very well when the leader of one of the Gentoo projects I participate in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Nikos, thanks for speaking up on this matter. I encourage more Gentoo users to make them heard with this. Best, Sebastian

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Steve Dibb
On 06/16/2010 04:47 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: Pawel, On 06/16/10 18:39, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: I have searched a few places for rules on tone, I believe one can't solve this problem by using rules. any ideas what could help? Well, I'm all about practical ideas,

[gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-16 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Hello! yngwin's devaway message still reads inactive, pending resolution of devrel issue. yngwin retired. I woudn't go as far as saying that his case made him retire but I definitely say that _DevRel failed on his case_. I believe I had enough insight to be able to say. I would like to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16-06-2010 16:39, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: On 6/16/10 5:33 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: - With these Code of Conduct rules in place how come DevRel is not publicly reminding of these rules where necessary? I think the initiative is on the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Jeroen, On 06/16/10 21:31, Jeroen Roovers wrote: 1) that there are probably some good examples of the bad tone that sping referred to, perhaps in the devrel/userrel domain and therefore not initially public, and that unless those projects fail (to uphold the CoC), we should probably not be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16-06-2010 05:03, Alec Warner wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote: Could it be we expect perfection from each other instead seeking to understand and complement each other? What can we do to make

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Jorge, On 06/17/10 02:01, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: There was a mostly silent agreement between some teams, including DevRel, UserRel, Council and Trustees, that after the Proctors project was terminated, the enforcement of the CoC, including any moderation or banning actions, would

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Jorge, On 06/17/10 02:14, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: Sebastian, I understand your concern, but as Alec puts it, we have gone a long way since the 2007-2008 low regarding this type of behaviour. I'm not advocating that communication in Gentoo mediums has become perfect, but I don't see

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-16 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17-06-2010 00:00, Sebastian Pipping wrote: Hello! yngwin's devaway message still reads inactive, pending resolution of devrel issue. yngwin retired. I woudn't go as far as saying that his case made him retire but I definitely say

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-16 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote:  4) Disallow membership with both the conflict resolution group    and the council at the same time (as the council is where issues    with devrel are taken to). i have yet to see this being necessary. the one or two times there was a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-16 Thread Jeremy Olexa
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 02:00:21 +0200, Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote: yngwin's devaway message still reads inactive, pending resolution of devrel issue. yngwin retired. I woudn't go as far as saying that his case made him retire but I definitely say that _DevRel failed on his

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17-06-2010 00:17, Sebastian Pipping wrote: Jorge, On 06/17/10 02:01, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: There was a mostly silent agreement between some teams, including DevRel, UserRel, Council and Trustees, that after the Proctors project

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-16 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 June 2010 02:33, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote: On 17-06-2010 00:00, Sebastian Pipping wrote: yngwin's devaway message still reads   inactive, pending resolution of devrel issue. yngwin retired.  I woudn't go as far as saying that his case made him retire but

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 June 2010 02:01, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote: On 16-06-2010 16:39, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: On 6/16/10 5:33 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote:  - With these Code of Conduct rules in place how come DevRel    is not publicly reminding of these rules where necessary?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Jacob Godserv
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 20:14, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote: There are a few cases where people could and should improve their behaviour, but let's not forget we're a technical community and so it's imho an illusion to expect us to have a hugs and kisses tone. But

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:14:28 +0200 Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote: On 06/16/10 07:43, Jeroen Roovers wrote: That's a conclusion first, then a premise? Tone is not a strength of Gentoo is my own obserservation. Please be more verbose - I fail to understand the core of your

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

2010-06-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:39:01 -0400 Joseph Jezak jos...@gentoo.org wrote: Your preferred method is exactly how (as a ppc keyworder) I like to see these kind of bugs handled. Dropping keywords makes an awful lot more work for us and hurts our users, especially since we're not always very prompt

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] toolchain-funcs.eclass: functions to call compiler

2010-06-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:41:00 -0400 Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: there are implicit rules for generating archives, but iirc, they dont work in parallel. The buggy[1] implicit make rule generates parallel calls to ar(1) for each file to add, instead of doing the obvious and calling ar

[gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Duncan
Paweł Hajdan, Jr. posted on Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:39:18 +0200 as excerpted: We need leadership. I remember very well when the leader of one of the Gentoo projects I participate in reminded me to always say thanks to people who are helping us on Bugzilla. A small thing, but wasn't he right?

[gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Duncan
Sebastian Pipping posted on Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:33:25 +0200 as excerpted: On 06/16/10 21:40, Roy Bamford wrote: As a native English speaker (from England) I view Jers reply as terse and to the point, completely lacking in tone. interesting. Looking at the sentence When did you point