Re: [gentoo-dev] About DESCRIPTION in ebuilds needing to end with a dot "."

2012-10-20 Thread Pacho Ramos
El dom, 21-10-2012 a las 09:34 +0800, Ben de Groot escribió: > On 20 October 2012 03:01, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > Hello > > > > At least in spanish, it's mandatory to end phrases with a dot ".", would > > you agree with trying to enforce this trivial change with a repoman > > warning? > > In Englis

[gentoo-dev] Re: About DESCRIPTION in ebuilds needing to end with a dot "."

2012-10-20 Thread Ryan Hill
On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:01:57 +0200 Pacho Ramos wrote: > Hello > > At least in spanish, it's mandatory to end phrases with a dot ".", would > you agree with trying to enforce this trivial change with a repoman > warning? > > Thanks for your opinions I'm assuming that since we're now having doze

Re: [gentoo-dev] About DESCRIPTION in ebuilds needing to end with a dot "."

2012-10-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 October 2012 03:01, Pacho Ramos wrote: > Hello > > At least in spanish, it's mandatory to end phrases with a dot ".", would > you agree with trying to enforce this trivial change with a repoman > warning? In English, phrases don't end with a full stop. As has been argued elsewhere in this t

Re: [gentoo-dev] eclass error-handling post-EAPI4

2012-10-20 Thread Zac Medico
On 10/20/2012 03:51 PM, Gregory M. Turner wrote: > On 10/20/2012 11:16 AM, Zac Medico wrote: >> On 10/20/2012 03:52 AM, Gregory M. Turner wrote: >>> EAPI[0-3] conventions encourage the habit of writing ebuild code like >>> >>>invoke_fn || ... # handle error, probably by die()ing but maybe not >

Re: [gentoo-dev] eclass error-handling post-EAPI4

2012-10-20 Thread Gregory M. Turner
On 10/20/2012 11:16 AM, Zac Medico wrote: On 10/20/2012 03:52 AM, Gregory M. Turner wrote: EAPI[0-3] conventions encourage the habit of writing ebuild code like invoke_fn || ... # handle error, probably by die()ing but maybe not But eclasses that auto-die violate this expectation and create

Re: [gentoo-dev] eclass error-handling post-EAPI4

2012-10-20 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:24:29 -0700 "Gregory M. Turner" wrote: > On 10/20/2012 4:05 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 03:52:49 -0700 > > "Gregory M. Turner" wrote: > >> Took me a while, but I think I see why this is correct, now (mostly > >> -- see below). The source of my confus

Re: [gentoo-dev] eclass error-handling post-EAPI4

2012-10-20 Thread Zac Medico
On 10/20/2012 02:24 PM, Gregory M. Turner wrote: > On 10/20/2012 4:05 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 03:52:49 -0700 >> "Gregory M. Turner" wrote: >>> Took me a while, but I think I see why this is correct, now (mostly >>> -- see below). The source of my confusion was a mistaken

Re: [gentoo-dev] eclass error-handling post-EAPI4

2012-10-20 Thread Gregory M. Turner
On 10/20/2012 4:05 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 03:52:49 -0700 "Gregory M. Turner" wrote: Took me a while, but I think I see why this is correct, now (mostly -- see below). The source of my confusion was a mistaken assumption that die() would not respect PORTAGE_NONFATAL. T

[gentoo-dev] last rites: games-emulation/snes9express

2012-10-20 Thread Michael Sterrett
# Michael Sterrett (20 Oct 2012) # Last version from 2009 and superseded by snes9x[gtk] # Masked for removal on 20121119 games-emulation/snes9express

Re: [gentoo-dev] eclass error-handling post-EAPI4

2012-10-20 Thread Zac Medico
On 10/20/2012 03:52 AM, Gregory M. Turner wrote: > If I indeed understand the facts correctly, I'm still a bit > uncomfortable with your advice to just use "helper || die" in eclass > code. It seems to me that if I follow this recipe, >=EAPI4 kinda works > OK, but EAPI[0-3] doesn't. > > Specifica

Re: [gentoo-dev] About DESCRIPTION in ebuilds needing to end with a dot "."

2012-10-20 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:36:36 +0200 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Pacho Ramos schrieb: > > At least in spanish, it's mandatory to end phrases with a dot ".", > > would you agree with trying to enforce this trivial change with a > > repoman warning? DESCRIPTIONs don't and shouldn't contain complete sente

Re: [gentoo-dev] About DESCRIPTION in ebuilds needing to end with a dot "."

2012-10-20 Thread Michał Górny
On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 16:27:05 +0200 Peter Stuge wrote: > Pacho Ramos wrote: > > sentence... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_(linguistics)#Major_and_minor_sentences > > Suggests that even a phrase such as the second example above can be > called a (minor) sentence. Ah, good to know. In

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Drop EAPI=0 requirement for system packages.

2012-10-20 Thread Thomas Sachau
Pacho Ramos schrieb: > El sáb, 20-10-2012 a las 16:09 +0200, Thomas Sachau escribió: > [...] >> And finally, as already pointed out by Rich, you should not talk about >> any specific EAPI you like/prefer/want to be used everyhwere, but >> instead about the issue you want to solve. So just point out

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Drop EAPI=0 requirement for system packages.

2012-10-20 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 2:04 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > That time you think you are saving, will be need to be lost if, for > example, some QA policy appears in the future to move to try to run > tests in parallel when possible, or force verbose output. So you're suggesting that I should invest 15

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Drop EAPI=0 requirement for system packages.

2012-10-20 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 20-10-2012 a las 17:15 +0200, Thomas Sachau escribió: [...] > I am not talking about hypothetical problems, i am talking about a real > thing: my limited amount of free time i am able and willing to spend for > Gentoo. And i prefer spending it on fixing real bugs over spending > additional

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Drop EAPI=0 requirement for system packages.

2012-10-20 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 20-10-2012 a las 16:09 +0200, Thomas Sachau escribió: [...] > And finally, as already pointed out by Rich, you should not talk about > any specific EAPI you like/prefer/want to be used everyhwere, but > instead about the issue you want to solve. So just point out the issue > and ask the mai

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Drop EAPI=0 requirement for system packages.

2012-10-20 Thread Thomas Sachau
Pacho Ramos schrieb: > El sáb, 20-10-2012 a las 16:09 +0200, Thomas Sachau escribió: >> Pacho Ramos schrieb: >>> El vie, 19-10-2012 a las 22:39 +0200, Thomas Sachau escribió: Pacho Ramos schrieb: > El vie, 19-10-2012 a las 21:43 +0200, Thomas Sachau escribió: >> Pacho Ramos schrieb: >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Drop EAPI=0 requirement for system packages.

2012-10-20 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 20-10-2012 a las 16:29 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió: [...] > > And finally, as already pointed out by Rich, you should not talk about > > any specific EAPI you like/prefer/want to be used everyhwere, but > > instead about the issue you want to solve. So just point out the issue > > and ask t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Drop EAPI=0 requirement for system packages.

2012-10-20 Thread Peter Stuge
Pacho Ramos wrote: > Seriously, what people is still having problems with handling eapi4? Seriously, what people are still having problems with trimming quotes? Pacho, I wrote a sarcastic manual for you about how to trim quotes in your replies on the mailing list, but you are still not doing it.

Re: [gentoo-dev] About DESCRIPTION in ebuilds needing to end with a dot "."

2012-10-20 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 20-10-2012 a las 16:27 +0200, Peter Stuge escribió: > Pacho Ramos wrote: > > > So, rephrasing the example Alexandre pasted, consider: > > > > > > x11-libs/qt-core - The Qt toolkit is a comprehensive C++ application > > >development framework. > > > > > > vs. > > > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Drop EAPI=0 requirement for system packages.

2012-10-20 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 20-10-2012 a las 16:09 +0200, Thomas Sachau escribió: > Pacho Ramos schrieb: > > El vie, 19-10-2012 a las 22:39 +0200, Thomas Sachau escribió: > >> Pacho Ramos schrieb: > >>> El vie, 19-10-2012 a las 21:43 +0200, Thomas Sachau escribió: > Pacho Ramos schrieb: > > I volunteer to do

Re: [gentoo-dev] About DESCRIPTION in ebuilds needing to end with a dot "."

2012-10-20 Thread Peter Stuge
Pacho Ramos wrote: > > So, rephrasing the example Alexandre pasted, consider: > > > > x11-libs/qt-core - The Qt toolkit is a comprehensive C++ application > >development framework. > > > > vs. > > > > x11-libs/qt-core - A comprehensive C++ application development framework >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Drop EAPI=0 requirement for system packages.

2012-10-20 Thread Thomas Sachau
Pacho Ramos schrieb: > El vie, 19-10-2012 a las 22:39 +0200, Thomas Sachau escribió: >> Pacho Ramos schrieb: >>> El vie, 19-10-2012 a las 21:43 +0200, Thomas Sachau escribió: Pacho Ramos schrieb: > I volunteer to do whatever conversions you want for every ebuild I find > if I have time

Re: [gentoo-dev] OUTAGE: {get,planet,packages,devmanual,infra-status,bouncer,}

2012-10-20 Thread Alec Warner
p.g.o is fixed, but the dns TTL was set to half a day, so it will be that long before users get the fixed experience. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:29 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Alec Warner wrote: >> All services except packages.gentoo.org and bouncer.gentoo.org should >> be functional again (we are w

Re: [gentoo-dev] eclass error-handling post-EAPI4

2012-10-20 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 03:52:49 -0700 "Gregory M. Turner" wrote: > Took me a while, but I think I see why this is correct, now (mostly > -- see below). The source of my confusion was a mistaken assumption > that die() would not respect PORTAGE_NONFATAL. The source of your confusion is more the impr

Re: [gentoo-dev] eclass error-handling post-EAPI4

2012-10-20 Thread Gregory M. Turner
Thanks for your reply, but I still have some concerns about this. On 10/19/2012 8:11 AM, Zac Medico wrote: Regardless of EAPI, don't call the helpers that die in EAPI 4 unless you want the function to die when the helpers fail, and use helper || die so it behaves the same regardless of EAPI. T

Re: [gentoo-dev] About DESCRIPTION in ebuilds needing to end with a dot "."

2012-10-20 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 19/10/12 22:01, Pacho Ramos wrote: Hello At least in spanish, it's mandatory to end phrases with a dot ".", would you agree with trying to enforce this trivial change with a repoman warning? Thanks for your opinions I've just dropped the dot from sci-calculators/galculator without readin

Re: [gentoo-dev] About DESCRIPTION in ebuilds needing to end with a dot "."

2012-10-20 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012, Thomas Sachau wrote: > Pacho Ramos schrieb: >> At least in spanish, it's mandatory to end phrases with a dot ".", >> would you agree with trying to enforce this trivial change with a >> repoman warning? > I dont know any such requirement from english nor german and neit