On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 08:44:45 +0800
Patrick Lauer wrote:
> On 06/04/2014 08:24 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> > On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 07:55:50 +0800
> > Patrick Lauer wrote:
> >
> >> On 06/03/2014 07:25 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 03/06/14 14:40, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> Would have been
Tom Wijsman posted on Wed, 04 Jun 2014 02:24:31 +0200 as excerpted:
> On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 07:55:50 +0800 Patrick Lauer
> wrote:
>
>> The only step missing is:
>>
>> Mask the new version on all non-systemd profiles so that portage
>> doesn't try to install it
>>
>> (I wonder why systemd and the
On 04/06/14 07:11, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> I'm just expecting more from our users. I don't think the news items
> were ever designed for simplistic things like this.
>
>
As in, GLEP 42 Critical News Item != Learning tool for understanding
Portage output
On 04/06/14 01:49, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 04/06/2014 00:32, Tom Wijsman wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:24:11 +0200
>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>
>>> The point is, human communication is vastly more powerful
>> +1
>>
>> It might not be clear in the moment, because it looks like a ton of
>> bikes
On 04/06/2014 02:24, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> There is no such thing as a non-systemd profile; a sub directory is a
> specialization, that doesn't mean that it parents suddenly become the
> opposite of that. No, the parents are just generalizations that aren't
> as specific as the sub directory.
>
>
On 06/03/2014 08:24 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 07:55:50 +0800
> Patrick Lauer wrote:
[Lots of comments about upower updates and interactions between
systemd and Open-rc...]
I'm sorry, but it seems to me that this is *another* power grab by the
"systemd Cabal."
More and more a
On 06/04/2014 08:24 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 07:55:50 +0800
> Patrick Lauer wrote:
>
>> On 06/03/2014 07:25 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>>>
>>> On 03/06/14 14:40, J. Roeleveld wrote:
Would have been nice to fix all the dependencies BEFORE marking the
systemd- dependin
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 07:55:50 +0800
Patrick Lauer wrote:
> On 06/03/2014 07:25 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> >
> > On 03/06/14 14:40, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> >> Would have been nice to fix all the dependencies BEFORE marking the
> >> systemd- depending "sys-power/upower-pm-utils" stable. -- Joost
>
On 06/03/2014 07:25 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>
> On 03/06/14 14:40, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> Would have been nice to fix all the dependencies BEFORE marking the
>> systemd- depending "sys-power/upower-pm-utils" stable. -- Joost
>
> No clue what you mean, sys-power/upower-pm-utils doesn't depend
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 00:49:48 +0200
Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Indeed. It really comes down to a judgement call whether to compose a
> news item or not.
True, it is not always easy; although some of us want or try to figure
this out in advance, even predictions won't help to determine how well
the us
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:35:13 +
hasufell wrote:
> Tom Wijsman:
> > On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 20:58:46 +0200
> > Jeroen Roovers wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 30 May 2014 19:17:31 +0200
> >> Tom Wijsman wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, 30 May 2014 18:14:11 +0100
> >>> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> A more reason
On 04/06/2014 00:32, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:24:11 +0200
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
>> The point is, human communication is vastly more powerful
>
> +1
>
> It might not be clear in the moment, because it looks like a ton of
> bikeshedding and other ways some individuals would
Tom Wijsman:
> On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 20:58:46 +0200
> Jeroen Roovers wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 May 2014 19:17:31 +0200
>> Tom Wijsman wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 May 2014 18:14:11 +0100
>>> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
A more reasonable approach would be for the Council to permit the
tree to contain
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:24:11 +0200
Alan McKinnon wrote:
> The point is, human communication is vastly more powerful
+1
It might not be clear in the moment, because it looks like a ton of
bikeshedding and other ways some individuals would label this; but it
will be useful some time from now, whe
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 20:58:46 +0200
Jeroen Roovers wrote:
> On Fri, 30 May 2014 19:17:31 +0200
> Tom Wijsman wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 30 May 2014 18:14:11 +0100
> > Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > A more reasonable approach would be for the Council to permit the
> > > tree to contain at most 6 wrong li
On 03/06/2014 21:50, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>
> On 03/06/14 21:58, Peter Stuge wrote:
>> Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
>>> Instead of belittling the users because they are wasting so much of
>>> your time
>> Causing a rougher transition than neccessary is a waste of users' time.
>>
>> I don't think th
On 03/06/14 21:58, Peter Stuge wrote:
> Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
>> Instead of belittling the users because they are wasting so much of
>> your time
> Causing a rougher transition than neccessary is a waste of users' time.
>
> I don't think that's awesome.
>
>
> //Peter
>
I still don't understan
On Fri, 30 May 2014 19:17:31 +0200
Tom Wijsman wrote:
> On Fri, 30 May 2014 18:14:11 +0100
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > A more reasonable approach would be for the Council to permit the
> > tree to contain at most 6 wrong lines at any given time. That way
> > any developer wishing to add a new w
Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
> Instead of belittling the users because they are wasting so much of
> your time
Causing a rougher transition than neccessary is a waste of users' time.
I don't think that's awesome.
//Peter
On 03/06/14 02:08 PM, Toralf Förster wrote:
> If I boot a 32 bit stable Gentoo Linux as a user mode linux guest with
> current kernels (host is a 32 bit stable Gentoo too), then I do observe
> sometimes during the boot process error messages from the init system of
> Gentoo (OpenRC) like the fol
If I boot a 32 bit stable Gentoo Linux as a user mode linux guest with current
kernels (host is a 32 bit stable Gentoo too), then I do observe sometimes
during the boot process error messages from the init system of Gentoo (OpenRC)
like the following (for subsystem rngd in this example) :
* St
On Tuesday, June 03, 2014 04:45:36 PM Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> Samuli Suominen schrieb:
> > On 03/06/14 16:53, Rich Freeman wrote:
> >> So, I get why you did it, but my concern is that when you tell
> >> portage that non-systemd users shouldn't use this package, portage
> >> helpfully
On Tuesday, June 03, 2014 04:46:18 PM Samuli Suominen wrote:
> On 03/06/14 16:40, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> > On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 16:28:47 +0300
> >
> > Samuli Suominen wrote:
> >> On 03/06/14 16:20, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> >>> Ehm, no, version 0.9.23-r3 controls that with a systemd USE flag;
> >>
> >>
On 03/06/14 18:43, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> I find this useless at this time because the work is in-progress, but in
> order to silence the loud minority,
> please review the news item.
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Samuli
>
>
Will commit this tonight, unless someone has more
- Samuli
Title: UPower loses hi
On 03/06/14 19:26, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:53:26 +0300
> Samuli Suominen wrote:
>
>> Title: UPower discontinued hibernate/suspend support
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GLEP:42#News_Item_Headers
>
> You're going to hate me for mentioning this, but that is one character
> too m
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:53:26 +0300
Samuli Suominen wrote:
> Title: UPower discontinued hibernate/suspend support
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GLEP:42#News_Item_Headers
You're going to hate me for mentioning this, but that is one character
too much; 45 > 44 characters. Besides that, I think it w
On Tue, 2014-06-03 at 18:43 +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> I find this useless at this time because the work is in-progress, but in
> order to silence the loud minority,
> please review the news item.
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Samuli
>
>
I appreciate your work on this - and you may call them the loud
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 16:57:12 +0200
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> Samuli Suominen schrieb:
> > And 0.99.0 is for both, systemd and openrc users
>
> sys-power/upower-1 would not install any files and be treecleaned
> some months after the transition is complete.
>
> upower-1.ebuil
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 16:52:30 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:48:05 +0200
> Tom Wijsman wrote:
> > On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 10:09:42 -0400
> > Rich Freeman wrote:
> > > Maybe in these cases the PM should make it more clear that
> > > there was an alternative option.
> >
> > Yes, P
On 03/06/14 18:43, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> I find this useless at this time because the work is in-progress, but in
> order to silence the loud minority,
> please review the news item.
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Samuli
>
>
Added a line, exception for systemd users
Title: UPower discontinued hibernate/sus
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:48:05 +0200
Tom Wijsman wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 10:09:42 -0400
> Rich Freeman wrote:
> > Maybe in these cases the PM should make it more clear that
> > there was an alternative option.
>
> Yes, Portage could also be helped out with some output improvements.
That isn't
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 10:09:42 -0400
Rich Freeman wrote:
> Maybe in these cases the PM should make it more clear that
> there was an alternative option.
Yes, Portage could also be helped out with some output improvements.
It requires an analysis on its own, among the kind of collecting "bad
non un
I find this useless at this time because the work is in-progress, but in
order to silence the loud minority,
please review the news item.
Thanks!
- Samuli
Title: UPower discontinued hibernate/suspend support
Author: Samuli Suominen
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted: 2014-06-03
Revision: 1
News-I
Samuli Suominen schrieb:
> On 03/06/14 17:45, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
>> Samuli Suominen schrieb:
>>> On 03/06/14 16:53, Rich Freeman wrote:
So, I get why you did it, but my concern is that when you tell
portage that non-systemd users shouldn't use this package, portage
h
On 03/06/14 17:45, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> Samuli Suominen schrieb:
>> On 03/06/14 16:53, Rich Freeman wrote:
>>> So, I get why you did it, but my concern is that when you tell
>>> portage that non-systemd users shouldn't use this package, portage
>>> helpfully solves that problem by
Samuli Suominen schrieb:
> On 03/06/14 16:53, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> So, I get why you did it, but my concern is that when you tell
>> portage that non-systemd users shouldn't use this package, portage
>> helpfully solves that problem by turning all the non-systemd users
>> into systemd users, inst
On 03/06/14 16:53, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>> To prevent OpenRC users from installing this version because it's
>> an old UPower with no pm-utils support, with no hibernate/suspend support,
>> to ensure desktops don't end up with greyed out Hib
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 09:53:45 -0400
> Rich Freeman wrote:
>
>> Whatever - short of profiles/mix-ins or whatever you want to do on a
>> big scale there isn't a simple solution to problems like this.
>
> Why is the mix-in not a simple solution?
I
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 09:53:45 -0400
Rich Freeman wrote:
> Whatever - short of profiles/mix-ins or whatever you want to do on a
> big scale there isn't a simple solution to problems like this.
Why is the mix-in not a simple solution?
--
With kind regards,
Tom Wijsman (TomWij)
Gentoo Developer
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> On 03/06/14 08:08 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> > On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 07:35:42 -0400 Rich Freeman
> > wrote:
> >
> >> This probably could
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> To prevent OpenRC users from installing this version because it's
> an old UPower with no pm-utils support, with no hibernate/suspend support,
> to ensure desktops don't end up with greyed out Hibernate/Suspend
> buttons
So, I get why you d
On 03/06/14 16:40, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 16:28:47 +0300
> Samuli Suominen wrote:
>
>> On 03/06/14 16:20, Tom Wijsman wrote:
>>> Ehm, no, version 0.9.23-r3 controls that with a systemd USE flag;
>> No, it doesn't.
> Nevermind, `cvs up`-ed; heh, I don't understand how you've got
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 09:29:59 -0400
Rich Freeman wrote:
> No use conditional there...
Yeah, I was a checkout behind; I'm clueless wrt the new revision bump.
--
With kind regards,
Tom Wijsman (TomWij)
Gentoo Developer
E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org
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On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 16:28:47 +0300
Samuli Suominen wrote:
> On 03/06/14 16:20, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> > Ehm, no, version 0.9.23-r3 controls that with a systemd USE flag;
>
> No, it doesn't.
Nevermind, `cvs up`-ed; heh, I don't understand how you've got to
that change, I thought there only was a p
On 03/06/14 16:20, Tom Wijsman wrote:
>> This has already hit stable. The dependency on systemd is present in
>> sys-power/upower-0.9.23-r3, which was just stablized.
> Ehm, no, version 0.9.23-r3 controls that with a systemd USE flag;
No, it doesn't.
> in comparison, 0.99.0 mainly wants you to
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 09:04:23 -0400
> Rich Freeman wrote:
>
>> This has already hit stable. The dependency on systemd is present in
>> sys-power/upower-0.9.23-r3, which was just stablized.
>
> Ehm, no, version 0.9.23-r3 controls that with a syst
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On 03/06/14 08:08 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 07:35:42 -0400 Rich Freeman
> wrote:
>
>> This probably could have used a news item, as the change impacts
>> both stable and ~arch users.
>
> Are we going to write a news item every ti
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 09:04:23 -0400
Rich Freeman wrote:
> The whole point of news is to tell people about an action they need to
> take before they have to take it. The output of portage doesn't
> really tell you what is going on.
Note that I'm not against a news item in the short term; what I am
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:24 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> On 03/06/14 15:08, Tom Wijsman wrote:
>> On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 07:35:42 -0400
>> Rich Freeman wrote:
>>
>>> This probably could have used a news item, as the change impacts both
>>> stable and ~arch users.
>> Are we going to write a news item
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 15:24:22 +0300
Samuli Suominen wrote:
> On 03/06/14 15:08, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> > On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 07:35:42 -0400
> > Rich Freeman wrote:
> >
> >> This probably could have used a news item, as the change impacts
> >> both stable and ~arch users.
> > Are we going to write a
On 03/06/14 15:08, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 07:35:42 -0400
> Rich Freeman wrote:
>
>> This probably could have used a news item, as the change impacts both
>> stable and ~arch users.
> Are we going to write a news item every time systemd acquires a new
> mandatory relationship with
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 07:35:42 -0400
Rich Freeman wrote:
> This probably could have used a news item, as the change impacts both
> stable and ~arch users.
Are we going to write a news item every time systemd acquires a new
mandatory relationship with a reverse dependency?
> They need to do an "eme
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>
> On 03/06/14 14:40, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> Would have been nice to fix all the dependencies BEFORE marking the
>> systemd- depending "sys-power/upower-pm-utils" stable. -- Joost
>
> No clue what you mean, sys-power/upower-pm-utils doesn't d
On 03/06/14 14:40, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> Would have been nice to fix all the dependencies BEFORE marking the
> systemd- depending "sys-power/upower-pm-utils" stable. -- Joost
No clue what you mean, sys-power/upower-pm-utils doesn't depend on
sys-apps/systemd,
and whole Portage tree is converted
On Saturday, May 31, 2014 02:17:32 PM Samuli Suominen wrote:
> On 31/05/14 05:47, Steven J. Long wrote:
> > On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 09:57:01AM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> >> On 27/05/14 08:34, Michał Górny wrote:
> >>> Dnia 2014-05-26, o godz. 23:15:34
> >>>
> >>> Samuli Suominen napisał(a):
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