Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Questions about CVS locations and GID...

2005-10-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 12:14:30AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:00:12 -0500 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Beyond that, there is the shebang issue which can be addresses via a | combination of automated scans/fixes, and fixing bugs as it's hit. | Hardcoded

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Questions about CVS locations and GID...

2005-10-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 12:38:35AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:22:37 -0500 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 12:14:30AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:00:12 -0500 Brian Harring | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wrote

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Questions about CVS locations and GID...

2005-10-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 01:13:53AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:40:46 -0500 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | It does in some places, it doesn't in others. It especially doesn't | for things that aren't normally found via PATH. It's a hell of a | mess

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Questions about CVS locations and GID...

2005-10-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 02:23:47AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:17:40 -0500 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | The issue is that you need to fix autoconf before you can claim that | any non-trivial test case works correctly. | | And how are you going to verify

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Questions about CVS locations and GID...

2005-10-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 02:40:58AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:32:20 -0500 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] Portage is considerably less work than the tree. Saving as much effort as possible from an ebuild perspective should be a major consideration, even if it makes

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Questions about CVS locations and GID...

2005-10-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 03:01:12AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:48:26 -0500 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | The sensible place to start experimenting is by adapting existing | ebuilds and tinkering with ebuild.sh, not by adding something which | may or may

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Questions about CVS locations and GID...

2005-10-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 02:14:32PM +1000, Finn Thain wrote: On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Kito wrote: [snip] My first question would be how to identify ebuilds that respect ${prefix}? A separate profile/keyword seems wrong. ICANINSTALLTO was the best idea presented, but that implies

[gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] bug 107770 ebuild screwing up A when executing phase by phase

2005-10-04 Thread Brian Harring
Quicky description of the bug is that A was being defined to '' in the ebuild env; due to the fact ebuild.sh automatically stomps the current passed in env with the previous env (it's bad, we know it already :), this resulted in A getting auto set to a bad value, and the value lingering.

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] bug 107770 ebuild screwing up A when executing phase by phase

2005-10-04 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 09:17:22AM -0500, Brian Harring wrote: Responding to myself, because I'm an idiot, attached is the correct patch. ~harring Index: bin/ebuild.sh === --- bin/ebuild.sh (revision 2082) +++ bin/ebuild.sh

Re: [gentoo-dev] lights on internals

2005-10-03 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Oct 02, 2005 at 11:07:13PM +0200, Francesco R wrote: The ready to cut ebuild at the bottom print it's environment (variable and functions) to a bunch of files into /var/tmp/fakebuild/. May be useful for who want to have a look at what and when is avaible during the various emerge

Re: [gentoo-dev] Interactive emerge

2005-10-03 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 07:39:05PM +0200, Jan Kundr?t wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:15:37 +0900 Georgi Georgiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Does it seem like it is time for RESTRICT=interactive. Such ebuilds | would refuse to emerge if stdout is not a tty. If only there

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] EAPI cleanups and fixes

2005-10-03 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 01:06:35AM +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: Don't like the size of this patch, but it's quite repetitive so... Wouldn't worry on the repetitive, it's repetitive due to the fact the *dbapi classes don't (ab|)use inheritance... * Make all aux_get() functions return a list of

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] EAPI cleanups and fixes

2005-10-03 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 08:27:09AM +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Tuesday 04 October 2005 03:30, Brian Harring wrote: On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 01:06:35AM +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: Don't like the size of this patch, but it's quite repetitive so... Wouldn't worry on the repetitive, it's

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Improved user information and communication

2005-10-01 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Oct 01, 2005 at 11:57:01PM +0200, Daniel Stiefelmaier wrote: man emerge provides information on possible options, why should there not be a way to get information on an ebuilds option??? because emerge is the tool, not the object. You wouldn't expect the openoffice

[gentoo-dev] deprecation of SANDBOX_DISABLED

2005-09-28 Thread Brian Harring
Hola. Subject says it all; SANDBOX_DISABLED functions as (essentially) RESTRICT=sandbox, except sandbox is left on for pkg_setup . This is pretty much redundant, considering it's usage. People stick it in the global scope; if you _must_ turn off the sandbox for a specific phase, use

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to create SRC_URI from messed-up URL?

2005-09-28 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Sep 29, 2005 at 12:46:36AM -0400, Dave Nebinger wrote: Hey, folks. I'm trying to write an ebuild, not my first, but definitely something that is relatively new to me. Anyways, I've got the following URL that pulls down the source package:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dirt: To shove under the rug or not shove under the rug? (aka another round of USE_EXPAND)

2005-09-27 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 09:07:00AM -0500, Kito wrote: [Portage devs please don't throw rocks at me] All out of rocks :/ My impression of the userland, elibc, and kernel use expanded vars is it was a quick way to sidestep some of the issues with GLEP22... it would seem the full keywords

Re: [gentoo-dev] default logger

2005-09-27 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 08:27:34AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 10:39 +0200, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 10:31:04AM +0200, Jan Kundr??t wrote: our documentation [1] lists syslog-ng as the default system logger while current profiles uses

Re: [gentoo-dev] default logger

2005-09-27 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 01:47:49PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tuesday 27 September 2005 01:29 pm, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 11:57 -0500, Brian Harring wrote: I'd rather see reasons listed as to why syslog-ng is a superior default for users who (most likely) don't

[gentoo-dev] portageq in global scope == die

2005-09-27 Thread Brian Harring
Hola all. The short version of it is that there is no good reason to be using has_version/portageq in the global scope; it's slow, it's not allowed, and any attempts to change metadata via it screw up the build plan. It's really a no go... so next version of portage will trigger an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Commercial software in portage

2005-09-22 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 09:30:20AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 17:55 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote: Is this just a one-off implementation until GLEP 23 is implemented, or something that will complement it? Whats going to happen to this data after GLEP23 gets

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] C++ herd proposal

2005-09-20 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 10:01:39AM +0300, Alin Nastac wrote: Georgi Georgiev wrote: maillog: 20/09/2005-09:37:23(+0300): Alin Nastac types Georgi Georgiev wrote: - that package in my overlay that has net-wireless/gnome-phone-manager in its *DEPENDs to work for as long as needed

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolution - GTK Useflag Situation

2005-09-19 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 03:48:43PM +, John N. Laliberte wrote: * but you are taking away choice! - If a program has both GTK2 and GTK3 interfaces, there are many ways to allow for testing of the experimental interface. For instance, package.mask with a revision number. package.mask isn't

[gentoo-portage-dev] PATCH glep31 checking

2005-09-19 Thread Brian Harring
Hola. http://glep.gentoo.org/glep-0031.html-- the details http://bugs.gentoo.org/106544-- the bug http://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?=68828 -- the patch Attached the patch also; one additional tweak is that file.size is now a fatal check, since the tree seem's to

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] PATCH glep31 checking

2005-09-19 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 04:12:08PM -0500, Brian Harring wrote: Attached the patch also; one additional tweak is that file.size is now a fatal check, since the tree seem's to finally be clean. Dropped the file.size becoming fatal change on the bug, and intend to for the final version. Either

Re: [gentoo-dev] first council meeting

2005-09-17 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 11:28:03AM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: The 30-day could be calculated from the $Header: of ebuilds that have no UNSTABLE, or where it's empty. Doesn't work for N arches keywording, or ebuild dev doing minor syntax touch ups. ~harring pgp9GsjkqH1mC.pgp Description:

Re: [gentoo-dev] first council meeting

2005-09-16 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 08:14:08PM +0200, Martin Schlemmer wrote: On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 19:42 +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote: On Friday 16 September 2005 00:20, Mike Frysinger wrote: actually this is came up in the meeting as something we would like to see spelled out explicitly ... either

Re: [gentoo-dev] Clarification of packages cd's for 2005.1

2005-09-16 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 08:23:47AM +1200, Nick Rout wrote: Thanks for the clarification Chris. On a semi-related matter I was looking for the catalyst .spec files, and see a thread pointing at cvs, however I believe that as a non-dev mortal I can't get access to gentoo cvs. Is that so? If it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council meeting, Thursday 15th, 1900 UTC

2005-09-14 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 04:38:04PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:42:43 +0200 Thierry Carrez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Before debating if the QA team should have more power to enforce, | let's just have a proper QA project. Apparently not much devs want to | do QA, not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bug 80905

2005-09-13 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 03:24:38PM +0200, Frank Schafer wrote: Hello, this bug is from 2005-02-05. It was reported again (in this thread) 2005-02-10. I hit the same behavior 2005-09-08. internal compiler error: segmentation fault during emerge Xorg The bug is simply reproducible (emerge

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council meeting, Thursday 15th, 1900 UTC

2005-09-13 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 05:02:45PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tuesday 13 September 2005 04:43 pm, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: this side note is unrelated to the point being made and really belongs in the previous discussions on the devrel list besides, is this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage log suggestion

2005-09-12 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 02:13:43PM +0200, Frank Schafer wrote: Hi, I fought with a stage1 install during this weekend. Today in the morning I succeeded. I had to move a lot in /var/log/portage. For the content of this directory I'd suggest the following: Remove the 4 digit number from

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 41: Making Arch Testers official Gentoo Staff

2005-09-12 Thread Brian Harring
Top posting, since trying to make a point here in relation to everything that follows from your email. define exactly how one proves themself, and in what context. It's the arguement against (essentially) having AT's on the same level as ebuild devs, so it best be defined. On Tue, Sep 13,

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 41: Making Arch Testers official Gentoo Staff

2005-09-12 Thread Brian Harring
With the 'proven' definition being repeated contributions, and explicit in the previous email the view AT's are lesser, but can move 'up' to the level of an ebuild dev, back to this email... On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 04:14:34AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:01:20 -0400

Re: [gentoo-dev] Comparing Openpkg with portage

2005-09-07 Thread Brian Harring
Icky on the html email :P On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 05:45:16PM -0700, m h wrote: Hello- I'm investigating the similarities between portage and openpkg. More specifically I was wondering if it is possible to take portage and install in on top of an existing linux installation in its own sandbox

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] PATCH: initial EAPI awareness

2005-09-02 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 10:53:05AM +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote: On Friday 02 September 2005 08:04, Brian Harring wrote: Like I've said, EAPI is ebuild specific. Ebuild is a format; eapi defines revisions of it, in my mind a minor revision of the ebuild 1 format. Any form of loss

Re: [gentoo-dev] proposed shift of files in the tree of non profiles files into seperate dir

2005-08-30 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 03:42:25AM -0500, Brian Harring wrote: Hola all. Straight to the point, I'm proposing that the following files- arch.list categories use.desc use.local.desc package.mask updates Addition to this list: thirdpartymirrors . ~harring pgpvIGSGfwz7G.pgp Description

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] PATCH: initial EAPI awareness

2005-08-30 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 07:46:24PM +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: On 08/29/05 Brian Harring wrote: That and the fact the 2.1 state should be decided, if we're going to have (effectively) two branches of development going at once, vs developmental line and maintenance branch. Well

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] gtk/gtk2 USE flag annoyances

2005-08-29 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 07:58:05AM +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: On 08/26/05 Brian Harring wrote: On Fri, Aug 26, 2005 at 11:44:44AM -0400, Dan Meltzer wrote: Hows the upgrade path RE: end-user useflag changes? Will everyone that has gtk in their make.conf die a horrible death

Re: [gentoo-dev] proposed shift of files in the tree of non profiles files into seperate dir

2005-08-29 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 08:17:39AM +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: On 08/27/05 Brian Harring wrote: Straight to the point, I'm proposing that the following files- arch.list categories use.desc use.local.desc package.mask updates be moved out of the profiles directory in the tree

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-29 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 12:56:35PM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Sat, 2005-08-27 at 05:01 -0500, Brian Harring wrote: Basically, you've taken then 2005.1 profile and made it useless, since the stages weren't built against it anyway. Via that logic (don't change it lest it negates a release

Re: [gentoo-dev] proposed shift of files in the tree of non profiles files into seperate dir

2005-08-29 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 01:27:34PM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: This could still be done under profiles. Personally, I like the idea of something more like this: project/os/arch/version for profiles This would give us something like this: default/linux/x86/2006.0

Re: [gentoo-dev] proposed shift of files in the tree of non profiles files into seperate dir

2005-08-29 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 05:48:20PM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: What other changes are you guys thinking of regarding profiles? That would be Marius's department. I'm not willing (personally) to look at revamping profiles till rewrite is finished. At that point, new profile's should be able

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-29 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 05:43:35PM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: snip Re: not shoving work onto you, complicating your job, etc, I agree, and actually is what I was getting at in the badly worded section below My point is pretty simple, why should we spend a bunch of time maintaining

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] PATCH: initial EAPI awareness

2005-08-28 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Aug 28, 2005 at 02:31:24AM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: Brian Harring wrote: Please test this out; if you want to test the EAPI checking, tag EAPI=1 into an ebuild, and try making emerge bail. I needed to patch ebuild.sh so that EAPI would be parsed. It bails out properly now. Crud

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-27 Thread Brian Harring
Note, sending to dev only, not cc'ing core; the inital -core post was to make sure those who aren't watching dev ml see the email (annoying, but it's an old habit I've yet to kick despite needing to). On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 04:48:26AM -0500, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Brian Harring wrote: I

Re: [gentoo-dev] proposed shift of files in the tree of non profiles files into seperate dir

2005-08-27 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 01:17:50PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: On 27/8/2005 10:42:25, Brian Harring ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hola all. Straight to the point, I'm proposing that the following files- arch.list categories use.desc use.local.desc package.mask updates

Re: [gentoo-dev] proposed shift of files in the tree of non profiles files into seperate dir

2005-08-27 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 01:32:33PM +0200, Fernando J. Pereda wrote: On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 01:17:50PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: Not sure about package.mask. I thought that was part of the profile, as different profiles might package.mask separately. I know I use it in /etc/profile to

Re: [gentoo-dev] proposed shift of files in the tree of non profiles files into seperate dir

2005-08-27 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 03:29:32PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: On 27/8/2005 13:34:15, Brian Harring ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Rough filtering stack- profiles/package.mask /etc/make.profile/package.mask (incremental through subprofiles) users package.mask, and users package.unmask

Re: [gentoo-dev] EBUILD_FORMAT support

2005-08-26 Thread Brian Harring
Pardon the delay, been putting this one off since it's going to be a fun one to address, and will be a bit long :) On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 12:34:00PM +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote: What I mean is compatibility with current portage versions. Current versions do not understand EAPI. There would

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] EAPI

2005-08-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Aug 26, 2005 at 03:49:35PM -0400, Kristian Benoit wrote: On the EAPI subject Brian just brought back, I had this idea that we could use the same approch XML took with HTML. The ebuild could define which EAPI to use, but instead beiing a version, the EAPI would be an ebuild API

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] EAPI

2005-08-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Aug 26, 2005 at 03:02:13PM -0700, Drake Wyrm wrote: Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: B) EAPI is pretty much bash env template switching [snip] Perhaps the EAPI handling could be implemented using eclasses, rather than something in the deep, dark, python-based internals

Re: [gentoo-dev] future restrictions to DISTDIR access from the ebuild env

2005-08-25 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 12:05:11PM +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote: Why not create that directory in the /var/tmp/portage/package/ directory. It would also safeguard against packages using files that they did not request. Maybe in the future a similar thing could be done for patches (when

Re: [gentoo-dev] Package version requiring sse

2005-08-25 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 01:41:00PM +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote: On Wednesday 24 August 2005 15:23, Martin Schlemmer wrote: Same thing (and probably better option) if you put it in pkg_setup() ... Isn't pkg_setup run too when just building a binary package (-B) (then the check shouldn't

[gentoo-dev] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-24 Thread Brian Harring
Hola all. Out of curiousity, since for once my portage installation is *not* filtering out all flags but my own, I'm wondering why it is that the system default now holds a lot of use flags that aren't really related to the system set of packages. See, from my standpoint cascaded profiles

Re: [gentoo-dev] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-24 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 08:50:58PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Wednesday 24 August 2005 08:04 pm, Brian Harring wrote: Again, returning to the USE=-* arguement, yes, they can go that route. It's also kind of a crappy arguement dodging out of the fact that progressive bloat going

[gentoo-dev] future restrictions to DISTDIR access from the ebuild env

2005-08-24 Thread Brian Harring
Hola all. robbat2 made the suggestion, and after a bit of playing I think it's best- in short, to support multiple DISTDIR's, we need either intelligent querying of portage from bash side as to a files true location, or a directory full of symlinks pointing at the ebuild's stated files.

[gentoo-dev] portage rewrite snapshot (was RFC - Gentoo on the Lab)

2005-08-24 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 06:58:53PM -0400, Kristian Benoit wrote: Yeah, I'd really like having a snapshot, even if I'd prefer having cvs/svn access. You can send me it by mail or make it available somewhere. Pardon the delay, wanted to iron out building code before pushing the snapshot up- it's

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to tell 2.1.8 20030601

2005-08-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 08:23:24AM +0200, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Hi, I have written an ebuild for pam_krb5, based on the version found in fedora, since the one from sourceforge which is currently in portage is way outdated. However, even after reading all the ebuild docs, I can't figure

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gstreamer + Use Flags

2005-08-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 09:21:50AM +0200, Fabian Zeindl wrote: Since nobody except Diego replied on my mail a week ago: Is there another way besides filing bugs and mailing the list to make a proposal which gets investigated? I think many users are concerned about that gstreamer oddness, and

Re: [gentoo-dev] EBUILD_FORMAT support

2005-08-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 03:20:16PM +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote: To allow for this to work with current portage versions, perhaps it would be an option to introduce a new extension for .ebuild scripts that use it's functionality. That would allow all non-EAPI aware portage versions to

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC - Gentoo on the Lab

2005-08-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 12:25:03PM -0400, Kristian Benoit wrote: On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 15:39 -0500, Brian Harring wrote: That and help would always be welcome :P Then where do I find the code (I'm an official dev yet, so I only have access to what's in the mirrors and the patchs on mailing

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC - Gentoo on the Lab

2005-08-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 12:25:03PM -0400, Kristian Benoit wrote: On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 15:39 -0500, Brian Harring wrote: That and help would always be welcome :P Then where do I find the code (I'm an official dev yet, so I only have access to what's in the mirrors and the patchs on mailing

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC - Gentoo on the Lab

2005-08-23 Thread Brian Harring
Lot of text left inline, pardon, just scroll and deal with it :P On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 12:28:08PM -0400, Kristian Benoit wrote: Here is my recent communication with Pieter: On Sat, 2005-08-13 at 21:59 +0200, Pieter Van den Abeele wrote: On 13 Aug 2005, at 19:16, Kristian Benoit wrote:

Re: [gentoo-dev] stripping implementation in portage

2005-08-23 Thread Brian Harring
First, sidenote (mild ot to this thread also), pardon the dupe posts, thick fingered typing dumping an old message :) On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 01:34:33PM -0400, Olivier Crete wrote: On Tue, 2005-23-08 at 11:16 +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote: As an aside to this. Does anyone know how debug

Re: [gentoo-dev] stripping implementation in portage

2005-08-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 01:58:46PM -0400, Olivier Crete wrote: I havent looked at your new implementation (does it exist).. but yea what you wrote seems to make sense... except that I keep the source code too.. so it would bloat binary packages.. I think it should be done before the packages

Re: [gentoo-dev] download problem in ebuild

2005-08-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:11:19PM +1200, Nick Rout wrote: On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 04:41:49 +0200 Marius Mauch wrote: DOWNLOAD_CMD=wget http://laby.toybox.de/download15/ -O laby_$(P).tar.gz Nope. You have three options: a) bug upstream to fix that crap b) use RESTRICT=fetch c)

Re: [gentoo-dev] download problem in ebuild

2005-08-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:34:41PM +1200, Nick Rout wrote: Thanks to all of you, thats now very clear. The message i have is that it will work, but its not allowed. Wrong interpretation- it won't work within an ebuild. It requires exteneral user intervention to make the ebuild work, *every*

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC - Gentoo on the Lab

2005-08-22 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 01:49:14PM -0400, Kristian Benoit wrote: On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 16:38 +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: Anyway, I hope you realize that your project doesn't only involve hacking on portage, but rewriting almost all of it for the client part. Actually I'd rather suggest you

[gentoo-dev] stripping implementation in portage

2005-08-22 Thread Brian Harring
Hola all. Short version, the nostrip feature is a bit funky as an option. What I'm after is effectively building all packages *with* debugging information as default, and leaving it up to the repository you're merging the package to, to decide on stripping or not. IOW, if you prefer stripped

[gentoo-dev] removal of vars from ebuild env

2005-08-22 Thread Brian Harring
Fair warning, To anyone relying on the vars BUILD_PREFIX, BUILDDIR to be available in the ebuild env, they're going to be yanked down the line; right now, going by scans nobody relies on them- so... please keep it that way. Thanks, ~harring pgpjVDBwDVZS4.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Environment Whitelisting

2005-08-22 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 11:33:23PM +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: Theoretical discussions about this are pointless IMO without numbers/facts to back things up. I'd posit theroetical discussions about this are pointless without getting ebuild dev's to give a yay/nay on whether they want it or not;

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla handling for maintainer-wanted things

2005-08-20 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 01:13:37PM -0400, Nathan L. Adams wrote: Chris Gianelloni wrote: Reviewing an ebuild has nothing to do with inclusion. For inclusion in the tree, it also needs to be tested. You don't take the slightest look at an ebuild (the code) before including it? Anyhow,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Local USE defaults

2005-08-19 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 12:10:44AM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Brian Harring wrote: | Yeah, but the angle I'm pushing for default IUSE's ...er.. use is | eliminating no* flags, and giving ebuild maintainers more flexibility | in breaking the package down into conditionals. | | I really

Re: [gentoo-dev] ebuild design issue regarding some {I need the lib and api only}-DEPENDs

2005-08-18 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 11:37:05AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: Other distributions are also binary-only, so there's no real comparison here. While I think having client and server type USE-flags is really a bad idea, I don't see a problem with providing a library. I 100% disagree with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Local USE defaults

2005-08-18 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 09:08:51AM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Brian Harring wrote: | Kind of curious about people's opinion on the IUSE default use flag | thing, initial syntax was (using the above example) | IUSE=+client server | with client defaulting to on unless the user's config

Re: [gentoo-dev] Local USE defaults

2005-08-18 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 01:16:05PM -0400, Alec Warner wrote: As long as there is a way provided disable the 'default use flags' in this case referring to the IUSE=+foo stuff, with a big warning that says crap generally isn't expected to work great with that setting on, then thats fine. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Local USE defaults

2005-08-18 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 01:18:17PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: Yes, very. Saves us from hacky local USE flag handling by naming them no* or adding them to profiles. Which then raises the question of whether or not -* in a users USE should disable it. I say no, since -* is mainly for

Re: [gentoo-dev] ebuild design issue regarding some {I need the lib and api only}-DEPENDs

2005-08-18 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 06:24:03PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:56:06 -0500 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Best solution in my opinon? Two use flags address this, client, and | server. Regardless of the setting of the two, you get the library; | from

Re: [gentoo-dev] ebuild design issue regarding some {I need the lib and api only}-DEPENDs

2005-08-18 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 01:06:35AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:13:56 -0500 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | You're a bit vague in the 'die in pkg_setup' bit; if you're | referencing doing the changes now, and sticking a die in, I already | explicitly stated

Re: [gentoo-dev] ebuild design issue regarding some {I need the lib and api only}-DEPENDs

2005-08-18 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:30:42AM +0200, Christian Parpart wrote: On Thursday 18 August 2005 17:44, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Thu, 2005-08-18 at 10:17 -0500, Brian Harring wrote: 2) ebuild maintenance will be a nightmare- every new version will require again walking the source to see

[gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] sane USE_EXPAND + IUSE check

2005-08-16 Thread Brian Harring
Hola- basically, use_expand'd vars need to be exempted from IUSE checks, as long as the USE_EXPAND var is in IUSE. This does that. ~harring Index: ebuild.sh === RCS file: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-src/portage/bin/ebuild.sh,v retrieving

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Next major version

2005-08-13 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 12:04:34PM -0400, Kristian Benoit wrote: I remember, when I started using Gentoo, reading that portage is a stand alone tool, it is not bind into Gentoo in anyway, someone could use it on redhat, debian, lfs... Nice intention, but impossible with stable/alpha code- the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X plans

2005-08-09 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Aug 09, 2005 at 07:36:31AM -0500, Caleb Tennis wrote: On Monday 08 August 2005 08:14 pm, Donnie Berkholz wrote: If you could bring up some specific examples, we could discuss them. Sure. Qt has optional support for xkb, tablet, fontconfig, xrender, xrandr, xcursor, xinerama

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: where goes Gentoo?

2005-08-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Aug 05, 2005 at 10:59:23AM +0200, Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen wrote: On Friday 05 August 2005 03:40, Brian D. Harring wrote: On Thu, Aug 04, 2005 at 05:31:43PM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: It's not an overnight thing, glep19 (stable portage tree) addresses a chunk of concerns

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Enterprise deployment tools

2005-06-21 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 08:35:52PM +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: I don't say that it cannot be done, and I don't ask what's the best way to do it. I just ask *if* we should try to provide higher-level tools (and/or doc) to help in doing so. It's not obvious (especially for non-developers) how

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla Bug 79337 make repoman complain if DEPEND and RDEPEND are not set.

2005-06-01 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 11:25:00PM +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: I'd be for having RDEPEND required to be set manually. ;) As would I, actually... Granted it's a useful convenience, but it also makes nailing the deps down much harder. Personally down the line, I'd like to see packages that

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Treewide metadata.xml

2005-05-27 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 01:47:37PM +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote: Hi Brian What's the gain, aside from implication of collapsing it into a single file? Honestly my only use for metadata.xml is looking up who I get to poke about fixing broken ebuilds... The gain is: ... that you portage

Re: [gentoo-dev] new glep draft: Portage as a secondary package manager

2005-05-24 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 11:07:54AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 24 May 2005 11:53:30 +0200 Michael Haubenwallner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Variables to be set by portage: | PREFIX=/home/haubi | AFFIX=home/haubi/ (not used here) Hrm. So what do we use for finding out where our

Re: [gentoo-dev] Another call for BugVoting on bugs.gentoo.org

2005-05-17 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 09:58:43AM +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: Stefan Schweizer wrote: Many bugs in bugzilla have ebuilds contributed, the work is done, there is just no developer to add them to the tree and review them. Bugvoting would allow other developers to see where they can help.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: New category proposal

2005-05-11 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 10:59:42PM -0700, Duncan wrote: Since our tree layout is based upon category, if you tried shifting the focus of it to packages_in anyway_, you would explicitly disallow same name packages, different category. Doesn't matter how you structure the tree, if you do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] dev-lang/icc and dev-lang/ifc candidates for removal

2005-05-11 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 10:11:32AM +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote: Fine, fine this means i can remove them as soon as i pout the new versions in :-) I'm now going to package mask all of icc/ifc. Hmm. mm'kay, get cracking, they'll still get flagged in my script :) These fetching failures are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New category proposal

2005-05-11 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 06:01:17PM +0900, Georgi Georgiev wrote: maillog: 11/05/2005-03:40:04(-0500): Brian Harring types On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 09:46:03AM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: Here's my suggestion, for what it's worth :) The layout on disk and the semantics of categories do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New category proposal

2005-05-11 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 11:11:02AM -0400, Alec Warner wrote: Yes and no. You're assuming that people don't use the layout on disk for digging around without calling portage. Personally, I do. Not need to be related, but shouldn't be related. In essence this allows people to put the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tests for eclasses

2005-05-10 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 09:54:33PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Is there a standard way of handling testing for utility-type eclasses? For versionator I currently have a __versionator__test_blah function included in the eclass (source versionator.eclass works, it doesn't have any

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New category proposal

2005-05-10 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 08:04:04PM +0900, Georgi Georgiev wrote: maillog: 10/05/2005-11:28:21(+0200): Martin Schlemmer types On Mon, 2005-05-09 at 13:07 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote: Georgi Georgiev wrote:[Sun May 08 2005, 08:19:20PM EDT] Would it be inappropriate to start bitching

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New category proposal

2005-05-10 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 01:27:46PM +0900, Georgi Georgiev wrote: As to whether the categories are good or not... think about it. If they were good, would we still be seeing packages moving around the tree? That's why I think that multiple categories are a necessity. Unless of course, packages

Re: [gentoo-dev] new glep draft: Portage as a secondary package manager

2005-05-09 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 03:46:57AM +0300, Marius Mauch wrote: Brian Harring wrote: Clarify please :) Offhand, I don't see why a bin repo for a home target isn't viable, along with a vdb repo in the same location. It's a bit trickier, but I suspect it might be a bit more flexible

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-09 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 10:12:03PM +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote: What about adding a panic mode to portage which, when confronted with a missing profile, (and after confirmation) continues to upgrade portage to the latest version it can find with some default settings that should allways

[gentoo-dev] dev-lang/icc and dev-lang/ifc candidates for removal

2005-05-09 Thread Brian Harring
Unless someone steps up, the intel compiler toolchain packages dev-lang/icc (intel cc) and dev-lang/ifc (intel fortran compiler) are prime candidates for removal from the tree; open bugs, primary maintainer is retired, and no devs have moved in to pick up the packages, let along touched the

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