Hey!!!
I'm not going to open that bug, read all these related mailing list
discussions or waste time on whatever!
Instead, I think it's important some of you read this message:
I hope that you choose to stand still for some time, or even sit or lie
down for once.
Take a deep breath and
Suspension shouldn't leave you out of receiving e-mails from Bugzilla;
if so, I consider that a bug.
On 6/9/2018 12:59 PM, Jeroen Roovers wrote:
Hello fellow humans,
this is a brief headsup about my current inability to communicate
through the official channel bugs.gentoo.org because
On Tue, 9 Dec 2014 16:23:57 +0100
Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, 9 Dec 2014 12:59:26 +0100
Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, 9 Dec 2014, Michał Górny wrote:
As for the exact details, I've pretty much decided to go for
featurism here, IOW making everyone
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:52:07 -0500
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 00:34:33 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
While it pains me to say this, unfortunately it looks like we have
On Fri, 21 Nov 2014 16:32:15 +
Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
So really, I'm tired to be insulted, and this was the last drop.
Goodbye. Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
+1!
Given our invested time; it's not the lack of encouragement, but rather
the presence of
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 00:34:33 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
While it pains me to say this, unfortunately it looks like we have
another toxic person situation to deal with, with all the
implications that come with it. Maybe it's time to deal with it.
Toxic wars have
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 12:23:43 +0100
Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote:
Hello
Hello, this is an individual response.
I would like to see if we could finally try to stabilize java7 on
Gentoo as some external tools start to require it.
There is currently this tracker opened:
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 16:59:46 +0200
Pavlos Ratis daster...@gentoo.org wrote:
I will also drop myself from the net-proxy herd.
Drawing extra attention to this sentence; it looks like the herd is
(once again) going to be empty, as the result of a lack of interest.
If someone does have a real
-compatible version of Growl, a notification
system for Mac OS X
Thanks,
Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 09:22:30 +0200
Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 00:07:07 +0200
Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote:
If the name is omitted, then we lose that; that is not the way
forward.
I'm pretty sure we already addressed this in another branch
On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 22:53:13 +0200
Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 18:30:04 +0200
Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 09:18:55 +0200
Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote:
herdemailf...@gentoo.org/email/herd
herdname.../nameemail
On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 09:18:55 +0200
Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote:
herdemailf...@gentoo.org/email/herd
herdname.../nameemail.../email/herd
to keep willikins' !meta -v functionality working.
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 00:40:50 +0200
Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 23:16:32 +0200
Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 18:42:40 +0200
Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote:
On IRC we seem to have found some consensus about metadata.xml
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 09:12:13 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 3:00 AM, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org
wrote:
I had just given some reasons above, in the part that you haven't
quoted.
My main issue was with the burden of proof bit. This isn't a court
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 23:03:51 +0200
Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 13:01:35 +0200
Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014, Jeroen Roovers wrote:
The same tags shouldn't be used for different things.
Then we might as well extend the
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 18:58:18 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 23:37:20 +0200
Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 04:05:19 + (UTC)
Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014, Tom
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 18:42:40 +0200
Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote:
On IRC we seem to have found some consensus about metadata.xml:
IRC is huge; where did you manage to find consensus in there with whom?
1 ) We should
1a) deprecate the herd tag in metadata.xml (that's 17,856 files or
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 04:05:19 + (UTC)
Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 13:22:45 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:47:14 +0200
Luca Barbato lu_z
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 06:08:11 +0200
Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
I've stopped following this mailing list regularly quite sometime
ago. To see this thread is still going on and no one bothered to cc
releng, to me shows a lack of respect
I expected
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 00:21:43 +0200
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
I don't know if you know it but setting up the project wiki page takes
less time than reaching into depths of CVS and editing herds.xml.
Editing and committing a change to herds.xml takes me less characters
than this
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:45:12 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
So, there was some discussion on -dev, apparently some discussion I
wasn't a part of, and some that I was (such is the nature of IRC).
Knowledge codification is nice; otherwise, this is just-another-thread.
I think it
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 19:39:44 -0400
Anthony G. Basile bluen...@gentoo.org wrote:
And now for something completely different ... drum roll ... Really!
We have to have a council vote on whether bc goes into stage3? If
this does go to the council, then I want a pre-vote vote: should we
bounce
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 06:25:28 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:58 AM, Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org
wrote:
Right now, CC'ing a single alias is inconvenient, but under your
proposal, you might need to CC a dozen or more people instead of
that alias.
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 09:11:57 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Is there some policy that says that a project cannot be a maintainer?
Is there some policy that says that a herd cannot be a herd?
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 13:22:45 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:47:14 +0200
Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote:
Because I'd expect a stage3 to be posix compliant
I agree. It's time to replace nano with Vim.
Vim is not fully POSIX
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 16:03:57 +0200
Tobias Klausmann klaus...@gentoo.org wrote:
As I pointed out, getting the right code into the tree is not the
problem here. It is extra work over the current way of doing it
(since I need to deal with a local commit that can't be ff'd or
rebased as git is
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 08:56:04 +0200
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
How can we distinguish between accidental and intentional stable
keyword removals? :)
(The lack of) Proper commit messages that point out those removals! ;)
But well, yeah, that'll require consistency and so on...
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 19:39:08 +0200
Tobias Klausmann klaus...@gentoo.org wrote:
AIUI, we try to avoid merge conflicts, unless the merge is a
meaningful integration of divergent processes.
However, one aspect of how ebuilds are written these days will
cause a non-trivial amount of merge
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 23:40:32 +
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
I don't see [...]
It is hard to connect the dots if you don't know about the dots;
do your homework to find them, ask questions when you don't.
[...] any sense in what you say. You sound confused.
Without those dots, your
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:44:49 +
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
Jauhien Piatlicki:
In the ideal country of elves. In the real life it can be not
possible to build and install software in a given distribution
without downstream patches. You can find examples of such live
ebuilds
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 21:00:16 +0100
Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
please do not go offtopic discussing the recruitment process. I simply
mentioned one of the designated ways we have to ask for help. If you
don't like it, propose a better method.
Please do not go offtopic about
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 10:11:08 +0100
Georg Rudoy 0xd34df...@gmail.com wrote:
How frequently the list of supported arches does shrink? Is it
statistically significant?
The amount of software that exists makes this impossible to determine.
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 10:28:16 +0100
Georg Rudoy 0xd34df...@gmail.com wrote:
Let's limit our sample to Gentoo tree then. How frequently arches list
shrinked as a result of bumping the version (because the upstream has
chosen so, not because of insufficient resources to keep testing all
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:09:38 +
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
Tom Wijsman:
It improves usability by providing additional information.
Usability is not to be found in information that is subject to
change.
Please also set DEPEND, RDEPEND, EGIT_REPO_URI, DESCRIPTION
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 21:21:24 +0100
Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 09/10/2014 03:01 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
+1; to summarize my thoughts: Herds misrepresent manpower.
true and false.
More true than false.
undertakers often remove dead herds.
How often? What
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 19:12:28 +
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
Jauhien Piatlicki:
When I accept ~arch I expect that no live ebuilds will be built. I
think other gentoo users expect the same.
Just because users are used to it doesn't make it better.
How does it make it better
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 21:45:49 +0200
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
Let's keep it short: I think herds don't serve any special purpose
nowadays. Their existence is mostly resulting in lack of consistency
and inconveniences.
+1; to summarize my thoughts: Herds misrepresent manpower.
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 13:56:04 +
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
Tom Wijsman:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 19:12:28 +
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
Jauhien Piatlicki:
When I accept ~arch I expect that no live ebuilds will be built. I
think other gentoo users expect the same
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as a question asked; so,
apart from that the rest of the news item looks good to me.
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if there is any other arch team allowing it
(x86?)
Of course, developers stabilizing packages should still follow the
usual test procedures as arch teams members will do.
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=510198
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are referring to; it doesn't affect the
maintainer, but the clutter can be a pain if you attempt to keep the
p.mask size low. Having package.mask as a directory would be a solution
to this; however, there's not much other need for it to be a directory.
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like kernels would have and extended QA procedures?
https://i.imgflip.com/b3mx0.jpg
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implementation in make.conf?
Next time, please bother the gentoo-user@ mailing list.
No. The gentoo-user@ ML can't do anything about a missing feature.
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to
Portage's source...
But do we want to be quicker? If you want a lot of input, Portage...
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that both lack the requested feature?
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about it and was told that he didn't recall
that we have an official policy about it either. Also, the devmanual
never mentions any such requirement.
It has been a common belief to drop '.' among some from what I've seen.
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of the warnings into errors, but that doesn't imply
that the QA team or community necessarily thinks in the same way.
So, I don't think that's something to worry about; especially with the
increased awareness after the DESCRIPTION.punctuation happening.
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fixing multiple broken audio drivers; if there is only
a single problem with dynamic deps, it wouldn't receive much attention.
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On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 05:30:26 +1000
Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 07/27/2014 05:21 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 03:12:07 +1000
Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 07/26/2014 07:59 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 22:14:41 +1000
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:25:23 + (UTC)
Martin Vaeth mar...@mvath.de wrote:
Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote:
Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote:
What a great way to kill the distro.
I can already heat my house with the number of unnecessary rebuilds
Do you upgrade
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 12:36:31 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wednesday 23 July 2014 01:06:15 Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 08:10:20 +0300
Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 22/07/14 04:05, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote:
And just for fun, since
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 03:12:07 +1000
Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 07/26/2014 07:59 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 22:14:41 +1000
Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 07/23/2014 09:36 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:21:00 +1000
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 22:14:41 +1000
Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 07/23/2014 09:36 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:21:00 +1000
Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote:
What a great way to kill the distro.
I can already heat my house
with dynamic-deps.
Apart from the words merge and batch, which are in the piece of
text that I've quoted; I'm not sure how for the rest of the piece a
session can be deduced or interpreted from what is specified.
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overweight
the cons? I do,
and many others seem to think so as well.
Depends on what the pros and cons are; it makes the difference between
merely thoughts and an actual reality, to construct towards a decision.
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that
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issue...
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=499852
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Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote:
So you suggest we work around a bug in the PM which would be a single
fix. Everywhere.
Which bugs? Which fixes? Where? ... Did this thread spawn from nothing?
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just because we changed the dependencies. Isn't that causing
a lot of possibly unnecessary work for our arch teams?
Rev bumps that only add dependencies shouldn't need separate STABLEREQs.
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with the developer workflow sounds like a neat idea.
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don't think it is right to discuss replacing problems with problems.
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and reproduce it; surprise!
If you ever happen to change EAPI in a stable ebuild without revbump,
please be kind enough to revoke your own commit rights. Thanks.
So much revocations. Thanks.
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this info grow fast?
5) The first paramater: Should that point to a single ebuild? Should
that support ranges?
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, at worst resulting in broken dependency
calculation
Why do we have a PMS if we don't take into account other PMs?
Is Gentoo still a meta distribution? How does the Portage tree portage?
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reflects itself upon one's system. Does such a gimmick succeed? Meteor!
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they become much more cool and necessary...
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some time to see good results...
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On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 09:06:11 +0300
Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 09/07/14 07:24, Tom Wijsman wrote:
[...] confusions with newer people...
Ironically; my first Portage tree action add a directory got a
don't throw [expletive] into [games category] reply, before
adding
; so, while I'm
not suggesting that you do shine such light, I'd just like to ask like
mva for everyone to stop making such comparisons and/or quality checks.
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; I've assumed for some time that contacting the
teams is a necessity before addition of an ebuild, but that quickly
turned out to be false for most if not all other teams.
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A test of a package to determine whether it appears to be working
OK or whether it destructs your system isn't too much asked for; if
it works
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Setting up an overlay for this and poking a stick at a few
developers to try
by any developer.
The granted ability to make a choice brings its own limits. :)
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testing; now consider that they might just work, you can miss out on
smaller edge case^ bugs if a faster stabilization* must follow later.
^ The more users, the more different system environments, ...
* Reverse dependency that needs it, security and so on.
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to be working OK or
whether it destructs your system isn't too much asked for; if it works
it can then be ~arch tested, if it breaks you have a bug # for p.mask.
If someone can't test it at all, why was it added in the first place?
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that you don't
break every ~arch user in the progress. Better than all or nothing...
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Just want to note that you can get an idea from previous outages (or
similar events like python-exec / UPower) on how much testing is needed.
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set it up a satisfiable state. :)
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for further testing
=app-emulation/lxc-1.0.0
+=app-emulation/docker-1.0.0
# Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org (03 May 2014)
# Needs to be further tested and revised by both Java and Ruby herds.
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the patch when you see it fail in
the early src_prepare phase followed by a --resume is more favorable.
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that is probably not complete:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Contributing_to_Gentoo
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that repository and the Portage tree, after which
there is room for even much more automation; thus more time reviewing.
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for the package itself.
https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=openrc
Disclaimer: Just to be sure, I'm not affiliated with the OpenRC project.
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On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 08:44:45 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 06/04/2014 08:24 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 07:55:50 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 06/03/2014 07:25 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
On 03/06/14 14:40, J. Roeleveld wrote
critical it is, but at the very least it affects a large
share of users now as well as in future upgrades. They appreciate news.
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that
depends on systemd; when doing so, no more blockers all over the place.
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On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 15:24:22 +0300
Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 03/06/14 15:08, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 07:35:42 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
This probably could have used a news item, as the change impacts
both stable and ~arch users
for
sys-power/pm-utils completely from git master. The 0.9 branch is for
sys-power/pm-utils use. Adjust ebuild accordingly.
Though I'm a bit confused why 0.99.0 doesn't list a systemd dependency;
I thought it had one, but maybe it is in another package I'm unaware of.
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On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 16:28:47 +0300
Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 03/06/14 16:20, Tom Wijsman wrote:
Ehm, no, version 0.9.23-r3 controls that with a systemd USE flag;
No, it doesn't.
Nevermind, `cvs up`-ed; heh, I don't understand how you've got to
that change, I thought
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 09:29:59 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
No use conditional there...
Yeah, I was a checkout behind; I'm clueless wrt the new revision bump.
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On 03/06/14 08:08 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 07:35:42 -0400 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org
wrote
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 09:53:45 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Whatever - short of profiles/mix-ins or whatever you want to do on a
big scale there isn't a simple solution to problems like this.
Why is the mix-in not a simple solution?
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upower-pm-utils as an alternative.
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 16:52:30 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:48:05 +0200
Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 10:09:42 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Maybe in these cases the PM should make it more clear
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