On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 09:41:13 -0500
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org
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Well, that package maintainers are called developers on Gentoo isn't
helping the interpretation here; regardless of how one defines
those, both
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no longer supporting the majority of it, for
example, whether src_prepare is supported doesn't really matter anymore
when you are uninstalling a package. One could make up a list; however,
it's not a problem yet, it might become one in 10 years or so...
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with an unused parameter?
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On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 09:47:37 +0100
Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
Please stop writing so many and so long emails.
Tom Wijsman wrote:
Fwiw, the very same person I made that single one-word Why? to
has previously appreciated that I asked him.
You can not extrapolate from that, and can
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:07:48 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
Tom Wijsman posted on Wed, 05 Feb 2014 13:58:22 +0100 as excerpted:
Can we do something about our growing queue when fixing is
insufficient?
https://bugs.gentoo.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-datefrom=dateto
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draw an average it would appear to be growing.
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On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:55:59 -0600
Steev Klimaszewski st...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 2014-02-05 at 13:58 +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote:
Can we do something about our growing queue when fixing is
insufficient?
https://bugs.gentoo.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-datefrom=dateto=label0=All
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 21:18:46 +0100
Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
Tom Wijsman wrote:
Thanks for putting up with it, but it's a huge waste of your time.
Why?
Because you seem to have a completely different mindset than
everybody else, and not in a good way. :\
That everybody else
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:07:22 -0600
Steev Klimaszewski st...@gentoo.org wrote:
Against my better judgment...
On Wed, 2014-02-05 at 05:55 +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 21:15:47 -0600
Steev Klimaszewski st...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 2014-02-05 at 02:48 +0100, Tom
involvement, as well as solid evidence and reasoning.
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to this thread.
Now, before you continue discussing this issue here on the list,
perhaps you should turn around and talk to the QA team about what
needs changed and discussed.
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On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 22:03:09 +
Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 22:50:57 +0100
Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:26:01 -0600
Steev Klimaszewski st...@gentoo.org wrote:
There is more to it than that. Normally
with stabilizing it; if you
# want to help us out, you can contact us at [reference: staffing page]
# and read more about how arch testing works at [reference: arch
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in another sub-thread. Are we on to
something here?
Yes, we are; for more details: http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html
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is being replied to and we
commonly read from top to bottom that way. My response is an example.
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and to move Gentoo forward on.
Consider what would have happened if we didn't go this far? It's scary.
PS: Wrt. your other long response, I agree with a very large part of it.
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the distribution moving and evolving.
And finally, just thank you.
From a proud Gentoo+systemd+GNOME 3 user, thank you.
From a proud Gentoo+systemd+GNOME3 using developer, you're welcome.
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On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 21:03:20 +
Steven J. Long sl...@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
Tom Wijsman wrote:
They are less work; since it lets the slower arches move their work
to bugs of important packages that need their attention, instead of
bugs of non-important packages were
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 18:23:28 -0600
Steev Klimaszewski st...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 2014-02-05 at 01:08 +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote:
The -* keyword is special. It is used to indicate package versions
which are not worth trying to test on unlisted archs. [1]
You can keep rehashing about
/
It is at the maintainer's discretion; and such decision is to make
it possible for a maintainer to move on when he or she can no longer
guarantee a working ebuild, to stop being progress-blocked by it.
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On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 21:15:47 -0600
Steev Klimaszewski st...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 2014-02-05 at 02:48 +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 19:35:22 -0600
Steev Klimaszewski st...@gentoo.org wrote:
Alright, well, I've tried my best, I give up. Instead of having
we are trying to fulfill; if the
current solution the QA team has formed is insufficient, feel free to
let us know why such that we can reshape it to fit the situation better.
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before, did you mean slower arch?
And even if you did, we have then already been using this practice for
a long while; it is different from the problem that was brought up here.
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;
iotw, this means you'll need to check up with upstream to fix these.
Besides that, there is also RESTRICT=mirror; so, you are restricted
to providing the versions upstream provides (eg. in case you want to
mask newer versions until a bug is resolved).
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words, it are the web archives that need to fix this.
Unless you want to keep spamming this sentence to everyone you talk to;
and/or besides that, wasting your time on changing the quote lines.
Tom Wijsman wrote:
moves us closer to bleeding-edge is completely useless;
It might be for you
that needs it.
It can harm in the long run, as shown in some of the other sub threads;
generalizations like does no harm can very well fit as to what you
perceive when you would try it out, but it doesn't exclude harm overall.
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that if a change
does break something that it takes longer for that change to be fixed;
especially when we're talking about slow architectures.
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 23:13:20 +0100
Alexander Berntsen alexan...@plaimi.net wrote:
On 27/01/14 23:00, Tom Wijsman wrote:
A first idea from looking at search engine results is through the
menu View and then click Message Source; maybe there's
Peter Stuge into the CC, and not Tom Wijsman (despite
hitting group reply from your email. Maybe there should have
been more testing of Gnome 3.8 before it was stabled on x86...
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
http://woozle.org/~neale/papers/reply-to-still-harmful.html
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 10:46:06 +
Steven J. Long sl...@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
Tom Wijsman wrote:
Steven J. Long wrote:
What? Without a stable tree, Gentoo is useless afaic.
It moves us closer to upstream releases, a little more bleeding
edge; a lot of users and developers run
it is not in the software?
PS: Note that I have been devaway for almost two weeks.
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On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:29:02 -0600
Steev Klimaszewski st...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 20:29 +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 12:10:30 -0600
Steev Klimaszewski st...@gentoo.org wrote:
The problem isn't finding someone that has everything - we have
people
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:12:42 +
Steven J. Long sl...@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014, Christopher Head wrote:
If stable really is falling behind and the backlog is always
growing, obviously something has to be done. I just
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 14:55:34 -0600
Steev Klimaszewski st...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 20:13 +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote:
The complaint is slow to stable arches
Yes.
by specifying -* arch it would signify that ONLY that arch uses
that version of the ebuild - and it would be up
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 23:42:28 +0100
Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
Tom Wijsman wrote:
you shoot down solutions
Maybe it wasn't a very good solution that deserved to be shot down.
Maybe it was; what is needed here, is the feedback that makes it better.
Work towards a very good solution
reply seeming off - it would
seem when I hit group reply, for some reason, Evolution is putting
Peter Stuge into the CC, and not Tom Wijsman (despite hitting group
reply from your email. Maybe there should have been more testing of
Gnome 3.8 before it was stabled on x86...
http
,
migrating ebuilds away from deprecated EAPIs, working on QA bugs, ...
... but a list with more ideas is very welcome.
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are the benefits compared to the cost?
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making further damage; sorry, I
forgot to check IRC and/or e-mails. What can we do to fix it?),
temporary suspensions do not have to be worried about.
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as a delay.
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(people often refer to devmanual
instead), ... thus I think its migration to the devmanual is progress.
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, the latter madness leads to sadness.
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of date
copies, I suggest at the very least that we perhaps add a link that
refers to the devmanual page in the profiles.desc header. Maybe we can
make this more common practice in the future if people like the idea...
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is trying to formalize it we are discussing
whether this is policy; see WilliamH questioning it as well as asking
further questions about it, so, I think further discussion is necessary.
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On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 18:56:57 +0100
Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
Anyone who cares about quality will be frustrated by others who do
not.
We have policies to enforce quality, thus frustration is optional. :)
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On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 19:16:54 +0100
Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
Tom Wijsman wrote:
Anyone who cares about quality will be frustrated by others who
do not.
We have policies to enforce quality, thus frustration is
optional. :)
Policies don't enforce quality, people enforce
to contact us where the developer was otherwise unavailable
or intended to not communicate or listen to us. It is no way an actual
removal or permanent decision; or well, it might be if this is about
repeated behavior, but that's a whole different story...
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that are in @system are not complained about by this code:
if format not in system_set_atoms:
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packages be stabilized
after one arch has tested, or various of the other suggestions in this
thread. Just not no stable tree at all.
+1 as long as we can find effort and ways to keep it around.
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that QA has the power to request this; some of the
Council meetings back in history seem to approve this patch, others do
not. It's a rather odd history, and hence we set things straight here.
It is more of a Do we want QA to delegate this through ComRel or not?.
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decisions, this is in place to deal with extreme breakage.)
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On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 18:22:39 -0700
Denis Dupeyron calc...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org
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It is more of a Do we want QA to delegate this through ComRel or
not?.
Actually, no. What it is is a Subject was thoroughly discussed
.
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(settings.get(key), default)
!!! Variable %s contains non-integer value: '%s % (key, ...)
If needed, add a word to key to make the variable name slightly more
meaningful; but avoid the full length if possible. eg. try_mirrors_key
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empty, silently use the default.
v = default
Afterwards, you have 'match = _fetch_resume_size_re.match(v)' in both
places, you can again just have this once.
Can the two remaining code blocks just be placed after that?
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On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 20:15:57 -0800
W. Trevor King wk...@tremily.us wrote:
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 02:33:06AM +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 15:24:59 -0800
W. Trevor King wk...@tremily.us wrote:
If it doesn't need to get updated, then it probably already
started out
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 18:01:23 -0800
W. Trevor King wk...@tremily.us wrote:
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 02:41:41AM +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote:
There is some duplicate code here, I think the conditions can be
rewritten in such way that the duplicate code doesn't take place.
Do you want a rewrite
`
reports the same, the same goes for `git log | sha1sum`.
You can assume this repository to be in good enough state, perhaps it is
because of the different case of the letters that this was a mismatch;
anyhow, thank you for a detailed analysis and data recovery.
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On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 08:43:12 -0800
W. Trevor King wk...@tremily.us wrote:
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 04:02:02PM +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote:
I think the idea is that you shouldn't need to refer to an external
resource like the mailing list to understand the idea behind the
patch,
Either someone
;). However, if a consistent syntax already exists, I see no reason
not to use it when it suits your purpose.
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Not sure how implementable this idea is though...
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 18:28:41 +
Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 17:47:58 +0100
Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote:
Maybe we can let the package managers only perceive it as keyworded
or stable if all of its dependencies are keyworded or stable
---
bin/repoman | 8
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2 files changed, 11 insertions(+)
diff --git a/bin/repoman b/bin/repoman
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SRC_URI.mirror: A uri listed in profiles/thirdpartymirrors is
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Hello
Looking back on the repoman patches from both me and creffett, we
haven't written tests; it's on my plan to still do that, if possible.
This makes me wonder: Should writing tests be a requirement? When?
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, some people will say if I knew this
earlier, I would have already upgraded a long while ago; either
because the new version brings something good, or the old version has a
regression they were not aware of yet or came due to incompatibility...
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:44:15 -0800
Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org
wrote:
---
bin/repoman | 53
+ man/repoman.1
| 4 2 files changed, 57 insertions(+)
I
On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:03:03 +0100
Sebastian Luther sebastianlut...@gmx.de wrote:
Am 16.01.2014 01:07, schrieb Tom Wijsman:
---
bin/repoman | 53
+ man/repoman.1
| 4 2 files changed, 57 insertions(+)
diff --git a/bin
.
And now we have a bunch of great new volunteers.
Yes, we do.
Sebastian even *told* you specifically how to do this properly.
Where did he?
So please do.
Why?
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/syntax/, checks/metadata/ and so on.
I really would love to see repoman refactored, redesigned and/or
rewritten; but it is to soon for me to do this the most wise way, as I
need to understand the code. I plan to do this 2 - 4 weeks from now.
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 15:33:28 +0400
Sergey Popov pinkb...@gentoo.org wrote:
15.01.2014 06:42, Tom Wijsman пишет:
And for that occasional mis-guess, *boohoo*, the user can just file
a bug; which ironically even happens occasionally for stable
packages.
If we blindly approves increasing
will be eliminated or transformed into fake.
If eventually our existing approach yields no or worsening results, it
would leads us nowhere as well; we can pick that option a few times,
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to give the impression that we are removing everything.
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bin/repoman | 8
man/repoman.1 | 3 +++
2 files changed, 11 insertions(+)
diff --git a/bin/repoman b/bin/repoman
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--- a/bin/repoman
+++ b/bin/repoman
@@ -330,6 +330,7 @@ qahelp = {
SRC_URI.mirror: A uri listed in profiles/thirdpartymirrors is
).
[PATCH 2/3] Have repoman check that a package directory contains at least
one ebuild (bug #245305).
[PATCH 3/3] Have repoman deprecate G2CONF for the GNOME team. (bug #482084).
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experiment something on one arch to start with?
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no longer stable (due to found bugs)
shouldn't remain, otherwise it is falsely shown to the users as being
stable; whereas it could very well be old, insecure and buggy instead.
Together with a news message, users could appreciate this.
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whether to consider it to be broken right now. Will
it be in a month from now? What about in a year?
Will we wait for hell? Or try to prepare and/or fix it now?
Maybe there are other options if these can be deemed as being worse.
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as much arch testing work as
a new version of grep, for example...
Sounds like a good idea, but how do we translate that to the user;
always mark them stable, or always mark them unstable? Do we want users
to explicitly accept keywords on these packages?
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 01:06:07 +0100
Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 15. Januar 2014, 00:49:28 schrieb Tom Wijsman:
On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 15:37:19 -0600
William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
Thoughts?
In this situation, I see three opposite ends
On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 19:17:35 -0500
Anthony G. Basile bluen...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 01/14/2014 07:06 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 15. Januar 2014, 00:49:28 schrieb Tom Wijsman:
On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 15:37:19 -0600
William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
Thoughts
of the
stabilization worsening; if the user is unaware of that change, the
could have done anyway might be less common and first something bad
would need to happen before they realize the worsened stabilization.
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On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 19:50:30 -0500
Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 01/14/2014 07:13 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
For users, both options are worse than the status quo.
When you do nothing then things are bound to get worse, under the
assumption that manpower doesn't change
On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:11:24 -0500
Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 01/14/2014 08:08 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
This is under the assumption that the user knows of the state of the
stabilization worsening; if the user is unaware of that change, the
could have done anyway might
get set accordingly.
For example; see security's GLSA bug bot, which is much more complex.
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On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:36:10 -0500
Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 01/14/2014 08:23 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:11:24 -0500
Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 01/14/2014 08:08 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
This is under the assumption that the user
is worsening over time, which users may not perceive.
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be acceptable, it
doesn't yield any huge problem afaik and isn't that much different.
And for that occasional mis-guess, *boohoo*, the user can just file a
bug; which ironically even happens occasionally for stable packages.
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On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 21:40:24 -0500
Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote:
I've written too many emails today, I hereby give up =)
At least you've let your voice be heard against this option. :)
It sets the ground for discussion for people that agree with you.
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the bug RESOLVED, FIXED.
Sounds good.
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+It is encouraged to set the alias field for frequently used bugs.
Yes, but please set it to something specific enough; I'm tired of
searching for a random word and get into one or another old bug.
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in
place to clean up the source code (short variable names, file length);
but for now, it's not that huge of a problem to stop using it at all.
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also mean it still needs to be maintained.
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more to it to really use this as an argument.
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