Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-20 Thread Herbert Fischer
Ops... sorry. On 7/20/05, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 20 July 2005 06:46 pm, Herbert Fischer wrote: > > Doing a grep on portage I found this another package with profile.d > > things: dev-util/aegis > > if you read back about 8 e-mails in this thread you'll see i note

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 July 2005 06:46 pm, Herbert Fischer wrote: > Doing a grep on portage I found this another package with profile.d > things: dev-util/aegis if you read back about 8 e-mails in this thread you'll see i noted this already but it should be ok as the package looks like it's removing the

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-20 Thread Herbert Fischer
Great! Doing a grep on portage I found this another package with profile.d things: dev-util/aegis Thanks! On 7/20/05, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 20 July 2005 03:27 pm, Herbert Fischer wrote: > > So... profile.d have future on Gentoo? If yes, any idea on when this >

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 July 2005 03:27 pm, Herbert Fischer wrote: > So... profile.d have future on Gentoo? If yes, any idea on when this > will become part of baselayout. yes, we will add it when i can get all remaining packages cleared of profile.d we have bash-completion and tcsh left -mike -- gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-20 Thread Herbert Fischer
So... profile.d have future on Gentoo? If yes, any idea on when this will become part of baselayout. Please, I'm not compelling... just curious. On 7/18/05, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Mike Frysinger wrote: > | On Monday 18 July

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-18 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Frysinger wrote: | On Monday 18 July 2005 07:47 pm, Donnie Berkholz wrote: | |>Mike Frysinger wrote: |>| can we get you to actively remove the file then ? or move it into the |> |>docs |> |>| dir as like an example file, xprint.profile.d |> |>OK

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-18 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 18 July 2005 07:47 pm, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Mike Frysinger wrote: > | can we get you to actively remove the file then ? or move it into the > > docs > > | dir as like an example file, xprint.profile.d > > OK, all the ebuilds are putting them as docs now. If anyone actually > uses xpr

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-18 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Frysinger wrote: | can we get you to actively remove the file then ? or move it into the docs | dir as like an example file, xprint.profile.d OK, all the ebuilds are putting them as docs now. If anyone actually uses xprint and it breaks, let me

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-18 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 18 July 2005 02:53 am, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 22:48 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > x11-base/xorg-x11 (no idea what it's trying to do with > > /etc/profile.d/xprint*) > > Don't know, don't care, don't use xprint. Pull it from your USE flags > and all will be well.

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-17 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 22:48 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > x11-base/xorg-x11 (no idea what it's trying to do with /etc/profile.d/xprint*) Don't know, don't care, don't use xprint. Pull it from your USE flags and all will be well. =) I don't actively maintain xorg's xprint support; that's largely

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-16 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 16 July 2005 10:38 pm, Marius Mauch wrote: > On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:22:29 -0400 > > Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Saturday 16 July 2005 01:03 pm, Marius Mauch wrote: > > > On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:34:09 -0400 > > > > > > Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-16 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:22:29 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 16 July 2005 01:03 pm, Marius Mauch wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:34:09 -0400 > > > > Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > we could care less what users do with /etc/profile.d ... the > > > po

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-16 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 16 July 2005 09:13 pm, Herbert Fischer wrote: > All scripts created by Gentoo emerges have some header signature (sort > of cvs information), am I right? not always -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-16 Thread Herbert Fischer
All scripts created by Gentoo emerges have some header signature (sort of cvs information), am I right? If so, some sort of checking script can detect Gentoo signed files on /etc/profile.d and just ignore them when scanning profile.d for user scripts. On 7/16/05, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-16 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 15 July 2005 11:16 pm, Aaron Walker wrote: > Mike Frysinger wrote: > > the only thing we really have against it is the potential of developer > > abuse ... that is, we feel that ebuild authors should *never* install a > > file there, it should only ever contain files created by the user >

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-16 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 16 July 2005 04:58 pm, Martin Schlemmer wrote: > On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 19:03 +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:34:09 -0400 > > > > Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > we could care less what users do with /etc/profile.d ... the point is > > > that *only*

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-16 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 16 July 2005 01:03 pm, Marius Mauch wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:34:09 -0400 > > Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > we could care less what users do with /etc/profile.d ... the point is > > that *only* users should use /etc/profile.d ... we dont want random > > Gentoo deve

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-16 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 16 July 2005 02:08 pm, Herbert Fischer wrote: > I meant... Isn't this directory subject to developers installing > custom .bashrc or .bash_profile, or whatever automatically executed on > login? no, because it would collide with the packages which are supposed to be installing files t

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-16 Thread Martin Schlemmer
On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 19:03 +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:34:09 -0400 > Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > we could care less what users do with /etc/profile.d ... the point is > > that *only* users should use /etc/profile.d ... we dont want random > > Gentoo dev

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-16 Thread Herbert Fischer
Could be /etc/env.d and env-update extended to support more things like aliases and shell functions? On 7/16/05, Herbert Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I meant... Isn't this directory subject to developers installing > custom .bashrc or .bash_profile, or whatever automatically executed on >

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-16 Thread Herbert Fischer
I meant... Isn't this directory subject to developers installing custom .bashrc or .bash_profile, or whatever automatically executed on login? On 7/16/05, Herbert Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So... why /etc/.skel/ needs to be touched by Gentoo emerges? Isn't > this directory subject to dev

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-16 Thread Herbert Fischer
So... why /etc/.skel/ needs to be touched by Gentoo emerges? Isn't this directory subject to developers installing foo-bar.sh files? So, isn't this case the same with /etc/profile.d ?? On 7/16/05, Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:34:09 -0400 > Mike Frysinger <[EMAI

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-16 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:34:09 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > we could care less what users do with /etc/profile.d ... the point is > that *only* users should use /etc/profile.d ... we dont want random > Gentoo developer Foo installing some Bar.sh into /etc/profile.d with > packag

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-16 Thread Herbert Fischer
Does Window$ and MacO$ users, with all "facilities" and "system security controls" they have in their OSes are protected from shooting themselves in the foot? I don't think so. In this case particularly I don't think the risk is too big, since global customizations must be done only by root. I th

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-16 Thread Aaron Walker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Frysinger wrote: > the only thing we really have against it is the potential of developer > abuse ... that is, we feel that ebuild authors should *never* install a file > there, it should only ever contain files created by the user > -mike Hmm

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-16 Thread Martin Schlemmer
On Fri, 2005-07-15 at 19:02 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Friday 15 July 2005 06:56 pm, Herbert Fischer wrote: > > Thanks... I saw that "bug" and saw that it is very old (from 2002) and > > nothing was done. Did you know why? > > hmm, us baselayout guys have discussed it before, but i guess we

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-15 Thread Petteri Räty
Herbert Fischer wrote: In Gentoo we need to "hack" files that sometimes are changed in some "emerge world" updates, like /etc/profile, /etc/skel/.bashrc, and that is a little mess to me, as when etc-update's list is too long I place a "-5" (auto update) and voilá... all my customizations are g

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-15 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On Fri, 2005-07-15 at 18:56 -0700, Michael Marineau wrote: > I just ment that by providing profile.d (and similar things) would let > users customize > their profile without having to edit a gentoo installed file, making > upgrades a bit > easier. To prevent abuse perhaps portage could enforce a b

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-15 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 15 July 2005 09:56 pm, Michael Marineau wrote: > Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Friday 15 July 2005 09:25 pm, Michael Marineau wrote: > >>Does the risk of abuse outweigh the potential usefulness that much? My > >>vote would be to do more of this sort of thing. Reducing the > >>oppertunity

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-15 Thread Michael Marineau
Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Friday 15 July 2005 09:25 pm, Michael Marineau wrote: > >> >>Does the risk of abuse outweigh the potential usefulness that much? My >>vote would be to do more of this sort of thing. Reducing the >>oppertunity for users to shoot themselves in the foot would be good. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-15 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 15 July 2005 09:25 pm, Michael Marineau wrote: > Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Friday 15 July 2005 06:56 pm, Herbert Fischer wrote: > >>Thanks... I saw that "bug" and saw that it is very old (from 2002) and > >>nothing was done. Did you know why? > > > > hmm, us baselayout guys have discus

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-15 Thread Michael Marineau
Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Friday 15 July 2005 06:56 pm, Herbert Fischer wrote: > >>Thanks... I saw that "bug" and saw that it is very old (from 2002) and >>nothing was done. Did you know why? > > > hmm, us baselayout guys have discussed it before, but i guess we've never > posted to the bug >

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-15 Thread Herbert Fischer
can you control this ?? or... maybe could be a place most likely env.d that we could place aliases, shell functions and customize prompt with a "closed objective" approach If I develop something safe there is some possibility to this being put it on the main gentoo baselayout project ? If so, I'l

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-15 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 15 July 2005 06:56 pm, Herbert Fischer wrote: > Thanks... I saw that "bug" and saw that it is very old (from 2002) and > nothing was done. Did you know why? hmm, us baselayout guys have discussed it before, but i guess we've never posted to the bug the only thing we really have against

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-15 Thread Herbert Fischer
Thanks... I saw that "bug" and saw that it is very old (from 2002) and nothing was done. Did you know why? On 7/15/05, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 15 July 2005 06:36 pm, Herbert Fischer wrote: > > thanks! I did not look at bugs.gentoo.org because I did not thought > > tha

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-15 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 15 July 2005 06:36 pm, Herbert Fischer wrote: > thanks! I did not look at bugs.gentoo.org because I did not thought > that things like this could be placed there, as I consider a > suggestion, not a bug. we use bugzilla for all bugs / enhancements pretty much -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-15 Thread Herbert Fischer
thanks! I did not look at bugs.gentoo.org because I did not thought that things like this could be placed there, as I consider a suggestion, not a bug. On 7/15/05, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 15 July 2005 05:59 pm, Herbert Fischer wrote: > > In Slackware I had /etc/profil

Re: [gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-15 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 15 July 2005 05:59 pm, Herbert Fischer wrote: > In Slackware I had /etc/profile.d/ as a place to customize all my > shell environment, including aliases, prompt, etc, without touching > original Slackware's files. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4854 -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.or

[gentoo-dev] /etc/profile.d/

2005-07-15 Thread Herbert Fischer
Hi, I'm new to this list and I really don't know if this is the right place to post this message. I already posted something about this on the gentoo forums and I don't know too if the correct persons are seeing that, so I decided to post here. Sorry for the double posting, so I'll be straight on