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On 08/22/2013 07:24 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 22 August 2013 11:01, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
I think the result of a policy like this would be that stable
Am Sonntag, 1. September 2013, 03:02:47 schrieb Rick Zero_Chaos Farina:
On 08/22/2013 07:24 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org
wrote:
On 22 August 2013 11:01, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
I think the result of a policy like
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
chith...@gentoo.org wrote:
Jeroen Roovers schrieb:
Mixing stable and testing is precisely what package
maintainers (hopefully) do when committing new versions: building and
running new software on a known to be stable platform on
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:28:24 +0100
Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
Wow! That is something we actively encourage people to avoid. Mixed
systems are totally
unsupported and I am sure quite a few bugs are closed as invalid when
a mixed system is detected.
Mixing stable and testing is
Jeroen Roovers schrieb:
Mixing stable and testing is precisely what package
maintainers (hopefully) do when committing new versions: building and
running new software on a known to be stable platform on the premise
that the new software is likely to be merged into the stable branch
(before
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:28:24 +0100
Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
Wow! That is something we actively encourage people to avoid. Mixed
systems are totally
unsupported and I am sure quite a few bugs are closed as invalid when
a mixed system is detected.
It may work on regular
21.08.2013 22:28, Alexis Ballier пишет:
Instead of dropping them entirely to ~arch, maybe something in between
could be done: Said arches could start moving to ~arch the leaf and
less important packages. E.g. we have (had?) a lot of sparc keywords on
sound packages or ppc keywords on ocaml
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On 08/22/2013 08:38 AM, Sergey Popov wrote:
21.08.2013 22:28, Alexis Ballier пишет:
Instead of dropping them entirely to ~arch, maybe something in
between could be done: Said arches could start moving to ~arch
the leaf and less important
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:39 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 22 August 2013 01:19, Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
Is there an alternative? afaik a profile can be either stable,dev or
exp. I can't
On 22 August 2013 11:01, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:39 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 22 August 2013 01:19, Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org
wrote:
Is there an
On 22 August 2013 18:01, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:39 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 22 August 2013 01:19, Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org
wrote:
Is there an
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 22 August 2013 11:01, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
I think the result of a policy like this would be that stable keywords
would get dropped on most peripheral packages, but system packages
might still keep
On 22 August 2013 12:24, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 22 August 2013 11:01, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
I think the result of a policy like this would be that stable keywords
would get dropped on
On 08/22/2013 01:28 PM, Markos Chandras wrote:
On 22 August 2013 12:24, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 22 August 2013 11:01, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
I think the result of a policy like this would
On 22 August 2013 13:17, Michael Weber x...@gentoo.org wrote:
Having a mixed setup isn't that absurd as you want it to be.
And forcing users to not use it renders all package.{accepted_,}keywords
granularity moot.
It's like nailing them to debian stable or debian testing w/o backports
or
22.08.2013 16:26, Markos Chandras пишет:
On 22 August 2013 13:17, Michael Weber x...@gentoo.org wrote:
Having a mixed setup isn't that absurd as you want it to be.
And forcing users to not use it renders all package.{accepted_,}keywords
granularity moot.
It's like nailing them to debian
On 08/22/2013 02:26 PM, Markos Chandras wrote:
On 22 August 2013 13:17, Michael Weber x...@gentoo.org wrote:
Having a mixed setup isn't that absurd as you want it to be.
And forcing users to not use it renders all package.{accepted_,}keywords
granularity moot.
It's like nailing them to
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On 22/08/13 06:19 AM, Markos Chandras wrote:
What's the point of that? Most users need more than what @system
provides so after they deploy the 'stable' stage3 they will start
pulling ~arch packages that were never tested against the stable
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 14:47:18 +0200
Michael Weber x...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/22/2013 02:26 PM, Markos Chandras wrote:
I said that it is a combination not well tested so we do not
encourage this. Users are free to do whatever they want.
Actually every other post is about keywording special
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 22 August 2013 12:24, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Do we actually have examples of this happening? I've never had
problems with a mix of stable and ~arch keywords. Granted, I'm not
running ~arch on most
Am Donnerstag, 22. August 2013, 13:28:24 schrieb Markos Chandras:
Do we actually have examples of this happening? I've never had
problems with a mix of stable and ~arch keywords. Granted, I'm not
running ~arch on most libs.
Wow! That is something we actively encourage people to
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 09:03:35AM +0200, Michael Weber wrote:
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On 08/22/2013 08:38 AM, Sergey Popov wrote:
21.08.2013 22:28, Alexis Ballier пишет:
Instead of dropping them entirely to ~arch, maybe something in
between could be done:
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 01:30:59PM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:09:55 +0200
Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Markos Chandras
hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
I propose the following arches to lose their stable keywords
- s390
Hi,
It's time of year again to consider moving a few arches to dev-only status.
I propose the following arches to lose their stable keywords
- s390
- sh
- ia64
- alpha
- m68k
- sparc
The manpower on these arches is below acceptable levels and they often
block stabilizations
for many months.
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
I propose the following arches to lose their stable keywords
- s390
- sh
- ia64
- alpha
- m68k
- sparc
+many.
Cheers,
Dirkjan
On 08/21/2013 01:04 PM, Markos Chandras wrote:
Hi,
It's time of year again to consider moving a few arches to dev-only status.
I propose the following arches to lose their stable keywords
- s390
- sh
- ia64
- alpha
- m68k
- sparc
The manpower on these arches is below acceptable levels and
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:09:55 +0200
Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Markos Chandras
hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
I propose the following arches to lose their stable keywords
- s390
- sh
- ia64
- alpha
- m68k
- sparc
+many.
++many.
If any
El mié, 21-08-2013 a las 12:04 +0100, Markos Chandras escribió:
[...]
If I get enough positive feedback on this, I will propose this in the
next Council's agenda.
+ :)
21.08.2013 15:04, Markos Chandras пишет:
Hi,
It's time of year again to consider moving a few arches to dev-only status.
I propose the following arches to lose their stable keywords
- s390
- sh
- ia64
- alpha
- m68k
- sparc
+1 for that. Perl herd has *really* many work with
Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org writes:
I propose the following arches to lose their stable keywords
- s390
- sh
- ia64
- alpha
- m68k
- sparc
I support this proposal.
I only have an old sparc box at hand. They are no longer major as time
goes, IMHO.
On 08/21/2013 07:04 AM, Markos Chandras wrote:
Hi,
It's time of year again to consider moving a few arches to dev-only status.
I propose the following arches to lose their stable keywords
- s390
- sh
- ia64
- alpha
- m68k
- sparc
Mips, as you know, has been ~arch for a while and we've been
Mips, as you know, has been ~arch for a while and we've been doing just fine
with it.
We can't pretend, however, that this doesn't shift some burden to the user.
One example is perl where some modules need 5.12.4 (the current stable) and
cannot use 5.16.x (~arch). On mips you might emerge
On 21 August 2013 19:04, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
Hi,
It's time of year again to consider moving a few arches to dev-only status.
I propose the following arches to lose their stable keywords
- s390
- sh
- ia64
- alpha
- m68k
- sparc
++
And consider adding ppc and
21.08.2013 15:04, Markos Chandras пишет:
Hi,
It's time of year again to consider moving a few arches to dev-only status.
I propose the following arches to lose their stable keywords
- s390
- sh
- ia64
- alpha
- m68k
- sparc
The manpower on these arches is below acceptable levels
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 4:04 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
Hi,
It's time of year again to consider moving a few arches to dev-only status.
I propose the following arches to lose their stable keywords
- s390
- sh
- ia64
- alpha
- m68k
- sparc
I want some level between
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 4:04 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
Hi,
It's time of year again to consider moving a few arches to dev-only status.
I propose the following arches to lose their stable keywords
On 21 August 2013 16:32, Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 4:04 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
Hi,
It's time of year again to consider moving a few arches to dev-only status.
I propose the following arches to lose their stable keywords
- s390
-
On 08/21/2013 01:04 PM, Markos Chandras wrote:
The manpower on these arches is below acceptable levels and they often
block stabilizations
for many months. This also causes troubles to developers trying to get
rid of old versions of
packages.
I am CC'ing Mike and on this to draw his
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote:
The proposal is to drop stable keywords on arches that cannot keep up.
Do you feel this is not the case on alpha?
I'm not sure if that's my claim. I'm worried because I think it might
be a disaster for alpha (and perhaps
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
Is there an alternative? afaik a profile can be either stable,dev or
exp. I can't see how we can implement something between
stable and dev. And what would that represent? It may or may not be
stable? If this is the
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On 08/21/2013 05:56 PM, Michael Weber wrote:
On 08/21/2013 01:04 PM, Markos Chandras wrote:
The manpower on these arches is below acceptable levels and they
often block stabilizations for many months. This also causes
troubles to developers
Instead of dropping them entirely to ~arch, maybe something in between
could be done: Said arches could start moving to ~arch the leaf and
less important packages. E.g. we have (had?) a lot of sparc keywords on
sound packages or ppc keywords on ocaml ones because at some point
(~10 years ago)
On 21 August 2013 19:28, Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote:
Instead of dropping them entirely to ~arch, maybe something in between
could be done: Said arches could start moving to ~arch the leaf and
less important packages. E.g. we have (had?) a lot of sparc keywords on
sound packages
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 20:03:30 +0100
Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 21 August 2013 19:28, Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote:
Instead of dropping them entirely to ~arch, maybe something in
between could be done: Said arches could start moving to ~arch the
leaf and less
On 21 August 2013 20:10, Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 20:03:30 +0100
Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 21 August 2013 19:28, Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote:
Instead of dropping them entirely to ~arch, maybe something in
between could
On 22 August 2013 01:19, Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
Is there an alternative? afaik a profile can be either stable,dev or
exp. I can't see how we can implement something between
stable and dev. And what
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