Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-12 Thread Roy Bamford
On 2010.04.10 15:00, Markos Chandras wrote: On Saturday 10 April 2010 16:53:48 Petteri Räty wrote: As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer to act as a project manager/owner for people willing to

[gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer to act as a project manager/owner for people willing to donate their time to whatever I see worthy for Gentoo as whole like the web page redesign. Basically you tell

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Markos Chandras
On Saturday 10 April 2010 16:53:48 Petteri Räty wrote: As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer to act as a project manager/owner for people willing to donate their time to whatever I see worthy for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Vincent-Xavier JUMEL
Le samedi 10 avril 2010 15:53:48, Petteri Räty a écrit : As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer to act as a project manager/owner for people willing to donate their time to whatever I see worthy for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/10/2010 05:00 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: On Saturday 10 April 2010 16:53:48 Petteri Räty wrote: As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer to act as a project manager/owner for people willing to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 April 2010 15:53, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer to act as a project manager/owner for people willing to donate their time to whatever I see

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/10/2010 05:38 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: On 10 April 2010 15:53, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer to act as a project manager/owner for people willing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Denis Dupeyron
Ben, Petteri was proposing an idea. He is being creative and is trying to help. The only way of knowing if his idea is good is to discuss it and later try it if people are interested. You, on the other hand, have lately been increasingly critical (which is good) but not constructively. You

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 April 2010 21:27, Denis Dupeyron calc...@gentoo.org wrote: Ben, Petteri was proposing an idea. He is being creative You call that creative? It seems you don't know what the word means. You, on the other hand, have lately been increasingly critical (which is good) but not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/10/2010 11:17 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: On 10 April 2010 21:27, Denis Dupeyron calc...@gentoo.org wrote: Ben, Petteri was proposing an idea. He is being creative You call that creative? It seems you don't know what the word means. You don't have to take any part in the experiment but

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Steve Rosiak
right. Am Samstag, 10. April 2010 16:38:13 schrieb Ben de Groot: On 10 April 2010 15:53, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer to act as a project

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 April 2010 22:56, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: I guess I was hallucinating that I started the wiki project, which has been a popular request for as long as I can remember. I guess I imagined I worked together with Markos to start the proxy-maintainer project to improve

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/10/2010 04:53 PM, Petteri Räty wrote: As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer to act as a project manager/owner for people willing to donate their time to whatever I see worthy for Gentoo as whole

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/11/2010 12:18 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: On 10 April 2010 22:56, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: I guess I was hallucinating that I started the wiki project, which has been a popular request for as long as I can remember. I guess I imagined I worked together with Markos to start

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 April 2010 23:23, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: On 04/11/2010 12:18 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: Not if you think it is okay for Calchan to insult me the way he did. Could he have chosen better words - yes Were there errors in content - no How about: You have lately been

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/11/2010 12:37 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: On 10 April 2010 23:23, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: On 04/11/2010 12:18 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: Not if you think it is okay for Calchan to insult me the way he did. Could he have chosen better words - yes Were there errors in content

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: On 04/11/2010 12:37 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: How about: You have lately been increasingly critical but not constructively at no point have you offered your contribution You haven't offered to help you haven't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/11/2010 01:06 AM, Denis Dupeyron wrote: No mud slinging there but a fact. You can either ignore this kind of behavior and let them pollute our mailing lists, or you can point at them and say they won't be tolerated. I chose the latter. I mean things like immature political rantings

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 11 April 2010 00:06, Denis Dupeyron calc...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: On 04/11/2010 12:37 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: How about: You have lately been increasingly critical but not constructively at no point have you offered

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: I mean things like immature political rantings are not likely to evoke the wanted response and it didn't happen here either. I know it hurts the eyes a bit, but calling problems by their name is part of fixing them.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 11 April 2010 00:54, Denis Dupeyron calc...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: I mean things like immature political rantings are not likely to evoke the wanted response and it didn't happen here either. I know it hurts the eyes a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Allo. On 10-04-2010 14:09, Vincent-Xavier JUMEL wrote: Le samedi 10 avril 2010 15:53:48, Petteri Räty a écrit : As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 04/11/10 00:54, Denis Dupeyron wrote: I know it hurts the eyes a bit, but calling problems by their name is part of fixing them. What about difference in tone? You can transfer content X in very different tones and sill not hide anything. It's hard, but it's possible. Sebastian

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Richard Freeman
On 04/10/2010 07:44 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: On 11 April 2010 00:54, Denis Dupeyroncalc...@gentoo.org wrote: I know it hurts the eyes a bit, but calling problems by their name is part of fixing them. Except when someone else does it, then calling the problem of lack of leadership suddenly