Re: [gentoo-dev] multiple categories for a package

[Marius Mauch]

Alin Nastac wrote:
Marius Mauch wrote:

CVS doesn't support symlinks.
But subversion does ;)
Doesn't help here.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New dev Killerfox (René NussBaumer)

[Michael Kohl]

On Mon, 16 May 2005 19:36:41 +0200
Simon Stelling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nice to finally have you on board!

Well, in his case I'm inclined to say it only was a matter of time. :)

BTW: are you guys coming to "What the Hack" this summer? Would be nice
to do something for the Austria-Swiss friendship again... ;)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] busybox prep

[Ned Ludd]

On Mon, 2005-05-16 at 22:46 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> could people update and try out busybox-1.00-r4 ?  i finally stopped being 
> lazy and ported all the utils from upstream busybox into 1.00-r4 ...
> 
> once you emerge it, you'll be left with /bin/bb which is now your fun rescue 
> shell ... simply execute `bb` and you're all set to go !

I find it a little strange that you implemented bb to call ash_main. Was
the reason for this due to being unable to pass parms to the linux
kernel init command line? init="/bin/bb sh" ?
/bin/bb on uClinux for example is /bin/busybox but renamed. Seems
logical to me to stick with the same logic.

You ripped out syslogd/udhcpd/login/logger/httpd/watchdog (this makes my
life harder then need be. Infact I want to cry)
Please don't say USE=savedconfig.. I know it exists. I wrote it for
other ppl to use an option to get a slimmed down. Not myself.

> for a list of commands implemented, just run `busybox`

Strange again.. More so if your libc is whats screwed and your trying to
recover that. Only way a user is to know what applets are there is by
running /bin/busybox  from the command line before the system got 
screwed. Granted anything they will call while in the asm_main if it
exists it will call it unless they 

Sorry but I do not like what this bb change would do to the default
deployment of busybox and would prefer to keep the default closer to
what allsysconfig is supposed todo.

-crond (key)
-crontab
-dc
-dpkg
-dumpleases (kinda key if you use udhcpd)
-fold
-ftpget
-ftpput
-httpd (key)
-hush
-inetd
-install
-ipcalc
-klogd (key)
-lash
-logger (key)
-login (key)
-logname
-logread
-msh
-od
-rpm
-rpm2cpio
-run-parts
-sulogin
-syslogd (key)
-telnetd (key)
-tftp
-udhcpd (key)
-uudecode
-uuencode
-watchdog (key)

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[gentoo-dev] Where is Dylan?

[Luis F. Araujo]

Greetings,

I was just checking this morning the dev-lang/ category, and
i didn't see the dylan programming language around. was it removed?

Also, would anybody like to take care of dev-lang/smalltalkx ?

It is very out-of-date, and the installation of the latest versions aren't
easy to follow through portage (yes, i tried to write an ebuild for it,
but it was a disaster). In my opinion, it is a shame to see this happening,
but i think that if nobody wants to take this ebuild, we should remove it.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Another call for BugVoting on bugs.gentoo.org

[Heinrich Wendel]

On Tuesday 17 May 2005 10:13, Brian Harring wrote:
> On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 09:58:43AM +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> > Stefan Schweizer wrote:
> > > Many bugs in bugzilla have ebuilds contributed, the work is done,
> > > there is just no developer to add them to the tree and review them.
> > > Bugvoting would allow other developers to see where they can help. For
> > > example I am using kde but dont read all kde bugs, so if I would know
> > > there is a kde bug with many votes I would maybe look at it.
> >
> > I have mixed feelings about this.
> >
> > Voting would be useful to judge which package gathers sufficient
> > popularity to be added to Portage for example. Currently only packages a
> > developer cares for are added, voting would help to get user opinion.
> >
> > On the other hand, on base system bugs for example voting would be more
> > a pressure tool that might not help much...
> >
> > We could enable voting on a "New Ebuilds" section and see how it goes ?
>
> Seems like a good approach in my opinion.  Most of the nays have
> basically come down to "I don't want people voting on stuff I'm
> working on, I know what needs to be done, don't need extra input to
> discern it".
> Ebuild submissions fall squarely outside of that arguement, and would
> be a good test run of it.
>
> Personally, I'd be interested in it for actual portage bugs; that
> said, I'm not totally sure if I'd want it enabled _now_ since there
> are internal changes needed rather then more feature bloat, so voting
> would be ignored till internal bits are done.

So who can make the decision here?

>
> My 2 cents...
> ~harring
mfg, heinrich :-)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] mysql-4.1.12 call for testers

[Robin H. Johnson]

On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 05:40:25PM +, Alexander Simonov wrote:
> It's all grate! But how about mysql 5 ?
5.0 will come later on (once Francesco is a dev). If you want it now,
go and find Francesco's overlay.

> And wath about spliting mysq into mysql-server and mysql-client how it
> do  like in FreeBSD.
No. If you want a client-only MySQL, you can do USE=minimal.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] UPGRADE complete bugs.gentoo.org

[Jeffrey Forman]

Jan,

I point you to http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92449#c34
Lance gave a great explanation of the issue before I could get around to
replying. The time is based on the database behind bugzilla, which is
currently residing in Oregon (PDT). I am unaware of any setting for a
user-defined time zone at this moment, but I will keep my ear on
bugzilla development with regards to that.

-Jeffrey

On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 20:15 +0200, Jan Kundrát wrote:
> Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > Some of the new features are pretty sweet though, so thanks for doing it!
> 
> Is it possible to add some feature which will allow end users to change
> timezone in which the times are reported? Or at least allow UTC?
> 
> -jkt
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Re: [gentoo-dev] UPGRADE complete bugs.gentoo.org

[Jan Kundrát]

Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Some of the new features are pretty sweet though, so thanks for doing it!

Is it possible to add some feature which will allow end users to change
timezone in which the times are reported? Or at least allow UTC?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] mysql-4.1.12 call for testers

[Chris Gianelloni]

On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 17:40 +, Alexander Simonov wrote:
> Francesco Riosa wrote:
> > Lance Albertson wrote:
> > >Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> > >>Many thanks to Francesco Riosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for his
> > >> hard work in dealing with MySQL-4.1. He's joining Gentoo soon as a new
> > >> developer to help maintain MySQL for the 4.1 and 5.0 series, and
> > >> hopefully also providing a package for the official MySQL AB binaries.
> > >
> > >Great work! I used his 4.1.11 ebuild recently and everything seems to work
> > >pretty well. I'll see if I can try the 4.1.12 ebuild soon. Upgrades within
> > > the 4.1.x series shouldn't be painful right?
> > >
> It's all grate! But how about mysql 5 ?
> And wath about spliting mysq into mysql-server and mysql-client how it do  
> like in FreeBSD.

Check out bug #12499

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Re: [gentoo-dev] mysql-4.1.12 call for testers

[Rumen Yotov]

Lance Albertson wrote:

>Robin H. Johnson wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Many thanks to Francesco Riosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for his hard
>>work in dealing with MySQL-4.1. He's joining Gentoo soon as a new developer to
>>help maintain MySQL for the 4.1 and 5.0 series, and hopefully also providing a
>>package for the official MySQL AB binaries.
>>
>>
>
>Great work! I used his 4.1.11 ebuild recently and everything seems to work
>pretty well. I'll see if I can try the 4.1.12 ebuild soon. Upgrades within the
>4.1.x series shouldn't be painful right?
>
>Cheers,
>
>  
>
Hi,
Also using 4.1.11 (ebuild from Francesco) on x86-stable, works OK.
Will try out 4.1.12 soon.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] i have an idea ! (erescue)

[Chris Gianelloni]

On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 10:33 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
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> > like /rescue and executed from there, being completely self-contained.
> > This keeps it from stomping on system files and breaking
> > collision-protect or doing anything else nasty like hosing configuration
> > files (ever made the mistake of extracting a stage onto a live
> > filesystem?) when unpacked.
> 
> This sounds a lot like saying, use an initrd, but when you pivot roots
> to the live filesystem, leave it mounted somewhere.

Kinda... This wouldn't require a reboot, though.  When the user is done,
they simply rm -rf /rescue and their system is clean again.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] mysql-4.1.12 call for testers

[Alexander Simonov]

Francesco Riosa wrote:
> Lance Albertson wrote:
> >Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> >>Many thanks to Francesco Riosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for his
> >> hard work in dealing with MySQL-4.1. He's joining Gentoo soon as a new
> >> developer to help maintain MySQL for the 4.1 and 5.0 series, and
> >> hopefully also providing a package for the official MySQL AB binaries.
> >
> >Great work! I used his 4.1.11 ebuild recently and everything seems to work
> >pretty well. I'll see if I can try the 4.1.12 ebuild soon. Upgrades within
> > the 4.1.x series shouldn't be painful right?
> >
It's all grate! But how about mysql 5 ?
And wath about spliting mysq into mysql-server and mysql-client how it do  
like in FreeBSD.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] UPGRADE complete bugs.gentoo.org

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Jeffrey Forman wrote:
>   You are very welcome, it was a pleasure to upgrade such a critical
> piece of Gentoo, even though it required time I could have spent outside
> in the Florida sun.

Heh, that explains why I spend so much time working on Gentoo -- this
rainy Oregon weather. =)

Some of the new features are pretty sweet though, so thanks for doing it!

Donnie
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Re: [gentoo-dev] i have an idea ! (erescue)

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> A much better approach would be for there to be a rescue build,
> completely independent of the stages, since it doesn't need to mirror
> them in any way.  It should be extracted (self-extracted?) to something
> like /rescue and executed from there, being completely self-contained.
> This keeps it from stomping on system files and breaking
> collision-protect or doing anything else nasty like hosing configuration
> files (ever made the mistake of extracting a stage onto a live
> filesystem?) when unpacked.

This sounds a lot like saying, use an initrd, but when you pivot roots
to the live filesystem, leave it mounted somewhere.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] mysql-4.1.12 call for testers

[Robin H. Johnson]

On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 02:16:58PM +0100, Paul Waring wrote:
> On 5/17/05, Robin H. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > MySQL-4.1.12 is in the tree (hard-masked), and I would like lots of early 
> > testing.
> > MySQL-4.0.24-r2 is also in the tree (hard-masked) for testing, and contains
> > some of the improvements in the 4.1 ebuilds, like the new pkg_config, and 
> > the
> > updated init.d script.
> I'd be happy to give 4.1.x some testing on one of my servers - I'm
> planning on reinstalling at some point in the near future (probably
> this weekend). Is there anything specific that needs testing, or
> should I just drop it in as a replacement for whatever version of 4.0
> I'm running and see if it breaks anything?
Ah, I missed that some arches had ~arched 4.1.8-r1. I've added them to
the keywords for 4.1.12, so you should be able to try the latest ebuild
now.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] UPGRADE complete bugs.gentoo.org

[Michael Cummings]

yeah, i hit send, then jforman hit send. sorry.


On Tuesday 17 May 2005 12:42 pm, Michael Cummings wrote:
> (fearing the jeff wrath)
>
> can we get the dup status added back in though? i know, i know, we're being
> nitpicky, and not too many folks have stood up and applauded this effort
> like they should have (ahem). Just...unsettling to see bugs marked as
> resolved - make it sound like i did something rather than find that the
> same problem had been reported a few times :)
>
> On Tuesday 17 May 2005 11:47 am, Jeffrey Forman wrote:
> > Bingo, I found the correlation between those bugs and the previous ones
> > mentioned by Daniel. They have all been marked as duplicates of other
> > bugs. Therefore bugzilla does not put a "resolution" in there, only
> > marking them as status: resolved.
> >
> > -Jeffrey
> >
> > On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 11:19 -0400, Aaron Walker wrote:
> > > Jeffrey Forman wrote:
> > > > That seems odd, then again, those are VERY old bugs. Way before my
> > > > time of looking at bugzilla to upgrade.
> > >
> > > Don't think it has anything to do with age.  Just marked this one a dup
> > > this morning.
> > >
> > > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92539

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Re: [gentoo-dev] UPGRADE complete bugs.gentoo.org

[Jeffrey Forman]

Michael,

You are very welcome, it was a pleasure to upgrade such a critical
piece of Gentoo, even though it required time I could have spent outside
in the Florida sun. As for your question about adding in the duplicate
status. 'Duplicate' isn't a status, its a resolution state. I point you
to http://bugs.gentoo.org/page.cgi?id=fields.html#status
for a better explanation. So in a more abstract sense, a Duplicate bug
has been 'resolved,' as someone has determined that it is a duplicate
bug and pointed the bug to its appropriate original filing. With that
said, I put this issue to rest. ;) Yes, it's nitpicky, but I won't
impart any bodily harm on you.

-Jeffrey


On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 12:42 -0400, Michael Cummings wrote:
> (fearing the jeff wrath)
> 
> can we get the dup status added back in though? i know, i know, we're being 
> nitpicky, and not too many folks have stood up and applauded this effort like 
> they should have (ahem). Just...unsettling to see bugs marked as resolved - 
> make it sound like i did something rather than find that the same problem had 
> been reported a few times :)


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Re: [gentoo-dev] i have an idea ! (erescue)

[Chris Gianelloni]

On Mon, 2005-05-16 at 20:48 -0400, Olivier CrÃte wrote:
> I would tend to believe that the content of a stage1 or stage2 would be
> enough and just for the majors architectures (those that have a
> stage1).. Anyways people will rebuild said packages once that's done,
> right? That's not much for the mirrors.. Around 168 megs for the content
> of a stage1 or 300 megs for the stage2..

Honestly, a stage1 is not a good starting point.  In fact, there should
*never* be anything provided that is directly laid onto the live
filesystem.

A much better approach would be for there to be a rescue build,
completely independent of the stages, since it doesn't need to mirror
them in any way.  It should be extracted (self-extracted?) to something
like /rescue and executed from there, being completely self-contained.
This keeps it from stomping on system files and breaking
collision-protect or doing anything else nasty like hosing configuration
files (ever made the mistake of extracting a stage onto a live
filesystem?) when unpacked.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] UPGRADE complete bugs.gentoo.org

[Michael Cummings]

(fearing the jeff wrath)

can we get the dup status added back in though? i know, i know, we're being 
nitpicky, and not too many folks have stood up and applauded this effort like 
they should have (ahem). Just...unsettling to see bugs marked as resolved - 
make it sound like i did something rather than find that the same problem had 
been reported a few times :)


On Tuesday 17 May 2005 11:47 am, Jeffrey Forman wrote:
> Bingo, I found the correlation between those bugs and the previous ones
> mentioned by Daniel. They have all been marked as duplicates of other
> bugs. Therefore bugzilla does not put a "resolution" in there, only
> marking them as status: resolved.
>
> -Jeffrey
>
> On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 11:19 -0400, Aaron Walker wrote:
> > Jeffrey Forman wrote:
> > > That seems odd, then again, those are VERY old bugs. Way before my time
> > > of looking at bugzilla to upgrade.
> >
> > Don't think it has anything to do with age.  Just marked this one a dup
> > this morning.
> >
> > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92539

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Re: [gentoo-dev] UPGRADE complete bugs.gentoo.org

[Jeffrey Forman]

I retract my earlier statement. In the upgrade, I forgot to fully copy
over all the resolution states. (Don't you just love that comfortable
feeling that comes with editing a live system?) Now when a bug is marked
as a duplicate it shows up as

Status:  RESOLVED 
Resolution:  DUPLICATE of bug (some other bug #)

Sorry for the confusion, I sit corrected.

-Jeffrey

On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 11:47 -0400, Jeffrey Forman wrote:
> Bingo, I found the correlation between those bugs and the previous ones
> mentioned by Daniel. They have all been marked as duplicates of other
> bugs. Therefore bugzilla does not put a "resolution" in there, only
> marking them as status: resolved.
> 
> -Jeffrey
> 

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Re: [gentoo-dev] UPGRADE complete bugs.gentoo.org

[Jeffrey Forman]

Bingo, I found the correlation between those bugs and the previous ones
mentioned by Daniel. They have all been marked as duplicates of other
bugs. Therefore bugzilla does not put a "resolution" in there, only
marking them as status: resolved.

-Jeffrey

On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 11:19 -0400, Aaron Walker wrote:
> Jeffrey Forman wrote:
> > That seems odd, then again, those are VERY old bugs. Way before my time
> > of looking at bugzilla to upgrade.
> 
> Don't think it has anything to do with age.  Just marked this one a dup this
> morning.
> 
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92539
> 


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Re: [gentoo-dev] UPGRADE complete bugs.gentoo.org

[Aaron Walker]

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Jeffrey Forman wrote:
> That seems odd, then again, those are VERY old bugs. Way before my time
> of looking at bugzilla to upgrade.

Don't think it has anything to do with age.  Just marked this one a dup this
morning.

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92539

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Re: [gentoo-dev] UPGRADE complete bugs.gentoo.org

[Jeffrey Forman]

That seems odd, then again, those are VERY old bugs. Way before my time
of looking at bugzilla to upgrade.

-Jeffrey

On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 15:50 +0100, Daniel Drake wrote:
> Many others seem to have the same problem. Examples: 51546, 55672, 57225,
> 65220, 71578, 72700, 16516.
> 
> Daniel
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Re: [gentoo-dev] UPGRADE complete bugs.gentoo.org

[Daniel Drake]

Jeffrey Forman wrote:
> I've looked at the actual DB behind bugzilla, and that seems to be the
> only bug having that such situation, with a resolved-like status, but no
> resolution, all the other bugs look fine. *shrug*

Many others seem to have the same problem. Examples: 51546, 55672, 57225,
65220, 71578, 72700, 16516.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] UPGRADE complete bugs.gentoo.org

[Jonathan Smith]

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Jeffrey Forman wrote:
> I've looked at the actual DB behind bugzilla, and that seems to be the
> only bug having that such situation, with a resolved-like status, but no
> resolution, all the other bugs look fine. *shrug*
> 
> -Jeffrey


bug 89521 [1] also has this problem. both of these bugs are assigned to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and are marked dups. perhaps one of these features is
causing this problem?

its not too important, just a minor annoyance, so if you're overly busy,
feel free to ignore/wait/whatever

[1]: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89521

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Re: [gentoo-dev] UPGRADE complete bugs.gentoo.org

[Jeffrey Forman]

I've looked at the actual DB behind bugzilla, and that seems to be the
only bug having that such situation, with a resolved-like status, but no
resolution, all the other bugs look fine. *shrug*

-Jeffrey

On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 17:05 +0300, Alin Dobre wrote:
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> Jonathan Smith wrote:
> > Georgi Georgiev wrote:
> > 
> >>>maillog: 17/05/2005-16:04:20(+0300): Alin Dobre types
> >>>
> >*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 12745 ***
> 
> Here it is, the last row.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>But in the headers it says:
> >>>
> >>>Status: RESOLVED
> >>>Resolution:
> >>>
> > 
> > 
> > right. what i was saying was that it is very nice to see the reason for
> > resolution in the summary section.
> 
> something like this:
> 
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> -
> 
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>  Resolution||DUPLICATE
> 
> yes, indeed, the Resolution is empty, now.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] UPGRADE complete bugs.gentoo.org

[Jeffrey Forman]

Easy guys, please. I'm only one person doing all this work. I can only
do one thing at a time. (No, that is not an invitation for people to
suggest themselves to help do it. Right now it's easy for my brain to
just do fixes in a linear fashion rather than forking() to other people)

-Jeffrey

On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 10:13 -0400, Jonathan Smith wrote:
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92622#c15


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Re: [gentoo-dev] mysql-4.1.12 call for testers

[Paul Waring]

On 5/17/05, Francesco Riosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Don't know if robbat2 need other testings but here it has been tested
> only on x86, at the moment there are no other archs avaiable for testing.

If ebuilds exist for PPC (there appears to be one for 4.1.8-r1) then
I'll be able to test it on that, assuming I manage to get Gentoo
successfully installed on my Powerbook this weekend. I'm afraid I
don't have any exotic hardware to test the other architecture builds
on.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] UPGRADE complete bugs.gentoo.org

[Jonathan Smith]

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> [snip]
> Anything else I've forgotten, I will happily take full credit for.
> [snip]

one more thing: comment #15 of bug 92622 [1] shows the bug which was a
dup as marked through. perhaps this is intentional (resolved bugs show
this attribute?), but it is very annoying, and it makes it hard to see
the bug number without clicking on it to go to the link.

sorry for the deluge of posts. overall, though, i very much like the new
bugzilla, so don't take my comments the wrong way ;-)

[1]: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92622#c15

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[gentoo-dev] More bashrc usage

[Chris White]

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While I was waiting for a package to compile, I worked on a new bashrc
some.  You can get the bashrc file from here:

http://dev.gentoo.org/~chriswhite/bashrc

to which you can stick it in /etc/portage/ if you want to use it.

two main things it includes are pathchk and whatis FEATURES.  Pathchk is
used to check for POSIX compatibility in file naming.  This can be
helpful when trying to see how POSIX compatible your packages are.  This
includes (taken from info page):

1. one of the existing directories in NAME does not have search
 (execute) permission,

2. the length of NAME is larger than its filesystem's maximum file
 name length,

3. the length of one component of NAME, corresponding to an existing
 directory name, is larger than its filesystem's maximum length for
 a file name component.

I really hope #1 doesn't come up on your package.. because that would
really not be a Good Thing(tm) #2 and #3 is probably what you're after.
 Note that this program seems to be pretty strict (14 characters max
filenames to work on ALL POSIX systems).  The bashrc file simply
recurses the source directory, pathchk-ing every file and putting the
results in ${PATHCHECK_LOG_DIR}/pathcheck.log (which is set to
/var/log/pathcheck by defualt).

the whatis FEATURE will update the whatis database when you're done
installing a package.  This is helpful for keeping it up to date.  If
you haven't updated the whatis database in awhile, it could take a
_long_time_.  After that it's not really that bad and shouldn't take but
a minute or so (depends on system) to get the update finished.

This is something I slapped together late at night, so don't expect the
world, cause I'm not going to give it to you (...yet /me takes out world
domination plans).

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Re: [gentoo-dev] UPGRADE complete bugs.gentoo.org

[Alin Dobre]

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Jonathan Smith wrote:
> Georgi Georgiev wrote:
> 
>>>maillog: 17/05/2005-16:04:20(+0300): Alin Dobre types
>>>
>*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 12745 ***

Here it is, the last row.
>>>
>>>
>>>But in the headers it says:
>>>
>>>Status: RESOLVED
>>>Resolution:
>>>
> 
> 
> right. what i was saying was that it is very nice to see the reason for
> resolution in the summary section.

something like this:

   What|Removed |Added
-

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution||DUPLICATE

yes, indeed, the Resolution is empty, now.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] mysql-4.1.12 call for testers

[Francesco Riosa]

Paul Waring wrote:

>On 5/17/05, Robin H. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>MySQL-4.1.12 is in the tree (hard-masked), and I would like lots of early 
>>testing.
>>MySQL-4.0.24-r2 is also in the tree (hard-masked) for testing, and contains
>>some of the improvements in the 4.1 ebuilds, like the new pkg_config, and the
>>updated init.d script.
>>
>>
>
>I'd be happy to give 4.1.x some testing on one of my servers - I'm
>planning on reinstalling at some point in the near future (probably
>this weekend). Is there anything specific that needs testing, or
>should I just drop it in as a replacement for whatever version of 4.0
>I'm running and see if it breaks anything?
>
>Paul
>
>  
>
Don't know if robbat2 need other testings but here it has been tested
only on x86, at the moment there are no other archs avaiable for testing.
On all the builds of theese latest months the most fragile stuff has
been use flag interaction and client library, so if you don't need say
geometry or cluster unset this use, because here it has been tested with
pratically all up.
Another thing that can need reviev is the support file that the ebuild
install (/usr/share/mysql) do you need something more, something different?

Francesco
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Re: [gentoo-dev] UPGRADE complete bugs.gentoo.org

[Jonathan Smith]

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Georgi Georgiev wrote:
> maillog: 17/05/2005-16:04:20(+0300): Alin Dobre types
>>>
>>>*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 12745 ***
>>
>>Here it is, the last row.
> 
> 
> But in the headers it says:
> 
> Status: RESOLVED
> Resolution:
> 

right. what i was saying was that it is very nice to see the reason for
resolution in the summary section.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] mysql-4.1.12 call for testers

[Francesco Riosa]

Lance Albertson wrote:

>Robin H. Johnson wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Many thanks to Francesco Riosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for his hard
>>work in dealing with MySQL-4.1. He's joining Gentoo soon as a new developer to
>>help maintain MySQL for the 4.1 and 5.0 series, and hopefully also providing a
>>package for the official MySQL AB binaries.
>>
>>
>
>Great work! I used his 4.1.11 ebuild recently and everything seems to work
>pretty well. I'll see if I can try the 4.1.12 ebuild soon. Upgrades within the
>4.1.x series shouldn't be painful right?
>
>Cheers,
>
>  
>
Thanks to Robin before, he has guided me and solved issues that have
been there for month before.
That sayd, never ever "emerge sync" has been happier for me, and also
have the mail filled of closed bug reports isn't that bad ;)

To answer you Lance, yes upgrading from a version best than 4.1.4 should
be straight, with 4.1.0 .. 4.1.4 better consider to unload to be on the
safe side.

Francesco

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Re: [gentoo-dev] UPGRADE complete bugs.gentoo.org

[Georgi Georgiev]

maillog: 17/05/2005-16:04:20(+0300): Alin Dobre types
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> Jonathan Smith wrote:
> > 
> > I noticed a bug [1] which, when resolved after the upgrade, did not list
> > the cause of resolution (in this case, it was a dup). Is this no longer
> > required? I rather liked that feature, as it enabled people to see, at a
> > quick glance, the final status of the bug...
> > 
> > [1]: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92861
> 
> smithj, the bug showed that information for me:
> 
> > Clear-Text: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92861
> > Secure: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92861
> >
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed:
> >
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> >
> -
> 
> >  Status|NEW |RESOLVED
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2005-05-17 01:46 PDT
> - ---
> >
> >
> > *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 12745 ***
> 
> Here it is, the last row.

But in the headers it says:

Status: RESOLVED
Resolution:

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Re: [gentoo-dev] mysql-4.1.12 call for testers

[Paul Waring]

On 5/17/05, Robin H. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> MySQL-4.1.12 is in the tree (hard-masked), and I would like lots of early 
> testing.
> MySQL-4.0.24-r2 is also in the tree (hard-masked) for testing, and contains
> some of the improvements in the 4.1 ebuilds, like the new pkg_config, and the
> updated init.d script.

I'd be happy to give 4.1.x some testing on one of my servers - I'm
planning on reinstalling at some point in the near future (probably
this weekend). Is there anything specific that needs testing, or
should I just drop it in as a replacement for whatever version of 4.0
I'm running and see if it breaks anything?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] UPGRADE complete bugs.gentoo.org

[Alin Dobre]

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Jonathan Smith wrote:
> 
> I noticed a bug [1] which, when resolved after the upgrade, did not list
> the cause of resolution (in this case, it was a dup). Is this no longer
> required? I rather liked that feature, as it enabled people to see, at a
> quick glance, the final status of the bug...
> 
> [1]: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92861

smithj, the bug showed that information for me:

> Clear-Text: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92861
> Secure: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92861
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed:
>
>What|Removed |Added
>
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>  Status|NEW |RESOLVED
>
>
>
>
> --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2005-05-17 01:46 PDT
- ---
>
>
> *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 12745 ***

Here it is, the last row.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] UPGRADE complete bugs.gentoo.org

[Jonathan Smith]

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Jeffrey Forman wrote:
> Hey All,
> 
> The upgrade for bugs.gentoo.org went exactly as I had planned for.
> Completed in under 20 minutes, which included this email. I've upgraded
> our Bugzilla from the old 2.18rc2 to 2.18.1. This fixes more security
> and code than I can even begin to mention. I have cleaned out a lot of
> the code and added in some nice features.
> 
> Those nice features I'd like to higlight:
> 
> (1) In the bug list, enhancements are colored green, while critical and
> blocker bugs are still colored red. This should help in picking out the
> enhancement bugs.
> (2) Spam-Spider avoidance measures. When not logged in to the bugzilla
> system, all reporters and commenters show up just as names, there are NO
> email addresses. When logged in, one can see names and email addresses.
> This should help stump spam spiders which parse web pages looking for
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (3) I have cleaned up the 'useful links' and footer section. Your logged
> in name, and log out link is now found left justified under the bugzilla
> version. As opposed to all the way on the right and as 'regular' text. 
> (4) Comments now have [reply] links where clicking, will append the
> reply into the 'Additional Comments' textbox where one can easily
> comment on earlier replies.
> (5) Strikeouts now work for bugs with closed-like resolutions. Allows a
> user to more quickly tell the status of a resolved bug.
> 
> Anything else I've forgotten, I will happily take full credit for. I
> would also like to thank the numerous bugzilla developers over in
> irc.mozilla.org in #mozwebtools. They were endlessly patient with my
> questions and I am endlessly greatful. 
> 
> I want to thank all those who use our bugzilla system for making Gentoo
> Linux the great distribution it is.
> 
> Regards,
> Jeffrey Forman
> 
> 

I noticed a bug [1] which, when resolved after the upgrade, did not list
the cause of resolution (in this case, it was a dup). Is this no longer
required? I rather liked that feature, as it enabled people to see, at a
quick glance, the final status of the bug...

[1]: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92861

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] eclectic-0.9.1

[Paul de Vrieze]

On Monday 09 May 2005 03:00, Marius Mauch wrote:
>
> Just put it as a subproject under base as it doesn't have the substance
> for a TLP, and I don't think azarah would mind it ;)

It should be under the tools project. This is clearly a tool.

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Subversion and Apache 2.0.54

[Paul de Vrieze]

On Friday 13 May 2005 19:04, Ian Brandt wrote:
> Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> > Quite likely you changed db versions along the run. While this
> > theoretically should work. The best course of action is to dump the
> > repository. Make sure you have a consistent use of db, and load the
> > repository. Alternatively you could try to use fs_fs
>
> Eventually I was able to get a dump by compiling 1.1.4 myself using
> all the dependencies included in the source with the exception of
> db-4.1.25_p1-r4.
>
> > In principle the 1.0 apr's and later should work for subversion. The
> > main versions are still the 0.9.x versions though. These are the ones
> > I use. These database errors are normally not related to the apache
> > version. (apr/apr-util can be related though).
>
> I was able to get the 1.1.4 ebuild to work but only with
> apache-2.0.52-r3, apr-0.9.5-r3, and apr-util-0.9.5.  All my attempts
> to merge 1.1.4 or 1.1.3 and apache-2.0.53/54 (which use apr 0.9.6)
> resulted in the same failing svn binaries.
>
> With the working apache-2.0.52 and subversion-1.1.4 combination I
> dropped the repository, recreated as fsfs, and successfully loaded the
> dump I made with my own compile of 1.1.4.  It's been running fine
> since.

You could change the useflag to not include berkeley db. On my system 
things work with apr(-util)-0.96, apache-2.0.54-r5 and subversion-1.1.4. 
What I should note though is that my apache does not have ldap support 
compiled in. It could very well be that ldap is causing your troubles. 
Which db version is your ldap compiled against?

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-dev] mobile-phone herd

[Daniel]

On Tue, 17 May 2005 04:30 am, Alin Nastac wrote:
> app-mobilephone category has emerged, maintained by the brand new
> mobile-phone herd. The herd currently has only one member... me. :)
> interested gentoo devs, feel free to join me!

thanks for taking sms :-)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] mysql-4.1.12 call for testers

[Lance Albertson]

Robin H. Johnson wrote:

> Many thanks to Francesco Riosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for his hard
> work in dealing with MySQL-4.1. He's joining Gentoo soon as a new developer to
> help maintain MySQL for the 4.1 and 5.0 series, and hopefully also providing a
> package for the official MySQL AB binaries.

Great work! I used his 4.1.11 ebuild recently and everything seems to work
pretty well. I'll see if I can try the 4.1.12 ebuild soon. Upgrades within the
4.1.x series shouldn't be painful right?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] multiple categories for a package

[Alin Nastac]

Marius Mauch wrote:

>
> CVS doesn't support symlinks.
>
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Re: [gentoo-dev] mobile-phone herd

[Alin Nastac]

Alastair Tse wrote:

> Hi Alin,
>
> I think I might be of help with the mobile-phone herd given that I 
> maintain almost all the bluetooth related packages and at least half 
> of the app-pda stuff. I remember st_lim or someone maintaining gnokii 
> and variants there-of, so you might want to ask if he is still active 
> and help out on those bugs.
>
> Some of the packages in app-pda are actually mobile phone related, so 
> you might want to take a look at those.
>
>
Hi Alastair,

I've already moved all mobile-phone related packages to app-mobilephone,
excepting kde-base/candy (kde herd opposed to that) and some xmms plugin
(media-plugins seems to suits better imo).

Seeya,
Alin


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Re: [gentoo-dev] mobile-phone herd

[Alastair Tse]

Hi Alin,
I think I might be of help with the mobile-phone herd given that I  
maintain almost all the bluetooth related packages and at least half  
of the app-pda stuff. I remember st_lim or someone maintaining gnokii  
and variants there-of, so you might want to ask if he is still active  
and help out on those bugs.

Some of the packages in app-pda are actually mobile phone related, so  
you might want to take a look at those.

Cheers,
Alastair

On 16 May 2005, at 19:30, Alin Nastac wrote:
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mobile-phone herd. The herd currently has only one member... me. :)
interested gentoo devs, feel free to join me!

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Re: [gentoo-dev] OpenLDAP 2.2 series

[Robin H. Johnson]

On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 04:44:58PM -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> Ok, I've just put the latest OpenLDAP 2.2.26 into the tree, and I don't
> see anything that is now holding back the 2.2 series from ~arch. In 2
> weeks, I plan to move it to ~arch, from it's present p.mask status.
OpenLDAP-2.2 is now ~arch.

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[gentoo-dev] mysql-4.1.12 call for testers

[Robin H. Johnson]

Ok, the MySQL-4.1 work is finally nearing completing (it doesn't eat my
data anymore, so now you get to see if it eats your data instead).

MySQL-4.1.12 is in the tree (hard-masked), and I would like lots of early 
testing.
MySQL-4.0.24-r2 is also in the tree (hard-masked) for testing, and contains
some of the improvements in the 4.1 ebuilds, like the new pkg_config, and the
updated init.d script.

Warnings:
This upgrade is going to be very rough (worse than OpenLDAP-2.2).
1. mysqldump everything to SQL (save this backup! going back to 4.0 is harder!)
2. write down your user permissions, and plaintext passwords if you know them.
3. move your old /var/lib/mysql out of the way.
4. emerge unmerge mysql
5. emerge =mysql-4.1*
6. revdep-rebuild as needed (might help to do libwww manually first).
7. ebuild mysql-4.1.12.ebuild config - very important, the main 'mysql' 
database has a lot of structural changes.
8. make a copy of your SQL from #1, and remove the 'mysql' database.
9. import the edited SQL
10. redo your user permissions.

Many thanks to Francesco Riosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for his hard
work in dealing with MySQL-4.1. He's joining Gentoo soon as a new developer to
help maintain MySQL for the 4.1 and 5.0 series, and hopefully also providing a
package for the official MySQL AB binaries.

There are several supporting ebuilds in the tree as well, so that things can
compile with 4.1 as needed.
dev-db/myodbc-3.51.11
dev-perl/Msql-Mysql-modules-1.2219-r2
net-libs/libwww-5.4.0-r3

I suspect that tetex may need the patch that libwww uses, as tetex bundles a
libwww source IIRC.

If 4.0.24-r2 works fine, I'd like to move it to ~arch on May 20, before I go on
my week-long vacation. If the 4.1 testing goes smoothly, it might be a
candidate for ~arch as soon as early June.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Naming scheme confusion

[Marius Mauch]

Georgi Georgiev wrote:
maillog: 16/05/2005-11:46:15(-0700): Donnie Berkholz types
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote:
The current ebuild is orinoco-0.15_rc2-r2.ebuild, and the logical name
for a CVS snapshot would, as I see it, be
orinoco-0.15_rc2_pre20050516.ebuild, but mixing _rcX and _preY is not
allowed by portage.
I can't go with just orinoco-0.15_pre20050516.ebuild as _rcX is
considered newer than _preY.
How about rc2_p20050516?

For a moment I thought that the above may actually be valid... Good
thing it's not. I would have been confused.
Well, it's valid with portage-2.1, but not 2.0.
Marius
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Re: [gentoo-dev] multiple categories for a package

[Marius Mauch]

David Klaftenegger wrote:
Georgi Georgiev wrote:
Would it be inappropriate to start bitching (again) about a flat tree
where each package can go in multiple categories?

So now, that I've read  all messages in this thread, I needed a point to
start at..
I guess my approach isn't a way to go, but I can't find the reason for
it being bad, so:
Why not just create a symlink to the package in the category it *also*
should be in?
For example, net-mail/mutt could be a symlink to ../mail-client/mutt,
allowing to find it in both categories.
Ok, portage would have to do extra work, as it would have to check
wether a package is a symlink or not, ignore "symlink-packages" when it
comes to ambiguous naming, count them as already installed if the
package it points to is already installed and so on...
quite some work, but from my point of view less than some other solutions.
So I hope you understand what I mean, you may now hang me for this
proposal, but if you do please tell me why it is not a good way to allow
multiple categories per package ;-)
CVS doesn't support symlinks.
Marius
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Re: [gentoo-dev] multiple categories for a package

[Jan Kundrát]

David Klaftenegger wrote:
>>>Why not just create a symlink to the package in the category it *also*
>>>should be in?
[snip]
>>It's a better approach then tagging it into the metadata imo, since it 
>>forces unique cat/package still.  Won't play nice if the tree's fs 
>>doesn't like symlinks though (fat)...
[snip]
> Well, instead of a symlink it could also be a textfile containing the
> package it points to... but who wants to use a floppy fs for the tree
> anyways?

As someone stated on #gentoo-dev, is CVS/rsync happy with symlinks? Or
would it need another functionality to Portage to create those links in
the "updating cache" phase after sync?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] multiple categories for a package

[David Klaftenegger]

Brian Harring wrote:
> On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 10:28:48PM +0200, David Klaftenegger wrote:
>>Why not just create a symlink to the package in the category it *also*
>>should be in?
>>
>>For example, net-mail/mutt could be a symlink to ../mail-client/mutt,
>>allowing to find it in both categories.
>>
> It's a better approach then tagging it into the metadata imo, since it 
> forces unique cat/package still.  Won't play nice if the tree's fs 
> doesn't like symlinks though (fat)...

Well, instead of a symlink it could also be a textfile containing the
package it points to... but who wants to use a floppy fs for the tree
anyways?

> Also doesn't seem incredibly useful to me, although keep in mind I'm 
> the lazy bugger who thinks what's there currently suffices :)
> ~brian

The discussion lasted long enough for me to think about the problem;
I personally would save 10 seconds to a minute every now and then if
there were multiple categories, so I'd like it, but I don't know if that
little gain would justify the effort to implement it.

Greetings,
David
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Re: [gentoo-dev] UPGRADE complete bugs.gentoo.org

[Michael Cummings]

awww, i thought that added extra emphasis to the post history... 

;)

On Monday 16 May 2005 08:41 pm, Jeffrey Forman wrote:
> Good eye, Fixed!
>
> -Jeffrey
>
> On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 09:25 +0900, Georgi Georgiev wrote:
> > Something's wrong with the  tags -- the one before "Additional" is
> > never closed.
> >
> > 
> >   --- Additional Comment
> >  #2 From
> >
> >  Brandon Low
> >   2002-03-07 15:57 PDT
> >   ---
> > 
> >
> > Thus all comments show up as italic.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Another call for BugVoting on bugs.gentoo.org

[R Hill]

On 5/16/05, Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>On Mon, 16 May 2005 19:45:05 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>| On Monday 16 May 2005 07:08 pm, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> >>| > What, so that you can see which bugs a small but vocal group of
> >>| > ricers are interested in rather than the ones that're actually
> >>| > important?
> >>|
> >>| once again, voting is optional ... if you dont want to pay attention
> >>| to them,  then dont
> >>
> I would tend to agree with Klieber when he closed the actual bug about
> this issue that I read through a few weeks ago.  The problem with
> leaving it optional being users vote a bunch on bug X and then the
> developer says he doesn't care, and then the users bitch because 'their
> precious voice was ignored'.

They manage to do that pretty well already.
 
> Most if not all of the developers here are volunteers, and just because
> a bunch of users vote up a bug doesn't particularly make it important to
> work on.

Agreed, but it can give a good indication of the bugs that a lot of
users are running into.  Right now that's handled by swarms of "me
too" posts (and last time i checked, those couldn't be filtered by
procmail too effectively either. ;]).  Not saying those posts will
disappear of course, just pointing out that it might not be a creation
of another source of generally unwanted feedback, but a way to move
this already existing feedback into a less annoying form.

Mozilla is another good example of a bugzilla using a voting system
with positive results (and they even have windows users ;]).  But they
also use the confirmed status and discourage 'me too' posts in favor
of the vote system, which is something that might not work for Gentoo.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Another call for BugVoting on bugs.gentoo.org

[Brian Harring]

On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 09:58:43AM +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> Stefan Schweizer wrote:
> 
> > Many bugs in bugzilla have ebuilds contributed, the work is done,
> > there is just no developer to add them to the tree and review them.
> > Bugvoting would allow other developers to see where they can help. For
> > example I am using kde but dont read all kde bugs, so if I would know
> > there is a kde bug with many votes I would maybe look at it.
> 
> I have mixed feelings about this.
> 
> Voting would be useful to judge which package gathers sufficient
> popularity to be added to Portage for example. Currently only packages a
> developer cares for are added, voting would help to get user opinion.
> 
> On the other hand, on base system bugs for example voting would be more
> a pressure tool that might not help much...
> 
> We could enable voting on a "New Ebuilds" section and see how it goes ?
Seems like a good approach in my opinion.  Most of the nays have 
basically come down to "I don't want people voting on stuff I'm 
working on, I know what needs to be done, don't need extra input to 
discern it".
Ebuild submissions fall squarely outside of that arguement, and would 
be a good test run of it.

Personally, I'd be interested in it for actual portage bugs; that 
said, I'm not totally sure if I'd want it enabled _now_ since there 
are internal changes needed rather then more feature bloat, so voting 
would be ignored till internal bits are done.

My 2 cents...
~harring
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Another call for BugVoting on bugs.gentoo.org

[Thierry Carrez]

Stefan Schweizer wrote:

> Many bugs in bugzilla have ebuilds contributed, the work is done,
> there is just no developer to add them to the tree and review them.
> Bugvoting would allow other developers to see where they can help. For
> example I am using kde but dont read all kde bugs, so if I would know
> there is a kde bug with many votes I would maybe look at it.

I have mixed feelings about this.

Voting would be useful to judge which package gathers sufficient
popularity to be added to Portage for example. Currently only packages a
developer cares for are added, voting would help to get user opinion.

On the other hand, on base system bugs for example voting would be more
a pressure tool that might not help much...

We could enable voting on a "New Ebuilds" section and see how it goes ?

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