Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag mp4

2009-08-21 Thread Rémi Cardona
Samuli Suominen a écrit : description: Support for MP4 container format [+ C ] mp4 (media-sound/amarok): Build the TagLib plugin for writing tags in Mp4 container files (m4a). Please note that by enabling this USE flag, the resulting package will not be redistributable, as it links to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Make 10.0 profiles EAPI-2 'compliant'

2009-08-21 Thread David Leverton
2009/8/21 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org: Portage documentation has been properly fixed (and the fix will be released in next version) and this feature can now be used in 10.0 profiles. No. Changing the documentation does not retroactively change existing EAPIs.

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag mp4

2009-08-21 Thread Samuli Suominen
Rémi Cardona wrote: Samuli Suominen a écrit : description: Support for MP4 container format [+ C ] mp4 (media-sound/amarok): Build the TagLib plugin for writing tags in Mp4 container files (m4a). Please note that by enabling this USE flag, the resulting package will not be redistributable,

[gentoo-dev] another new global use flag zsh-completion

2009-08-21 Thread William Hubbs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 will...@linux1 ~ $ euse -i zsh-completion global use flags (searching: zsh-completion) no matching entries found local use flags (searching: zsh-completion)

[gentoo-dev] Re: New global USE flag mp4

2009-08-21 Thread Duncan
Samuli Suominen posted on Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:09:10 +0300 as excerpted: Rémi Cardona wrote: Samuli Suominen a écrit : description: Support for MP4 container format [+ C ] mp4 (media-sound/amarok): Build the TagLib plugin for writing tags in Mp4 container files (m4a). Please note that by

Re: [gentoo-dev] Test request: Bugzilla load balancer

2009-08-21 Thread Jeremy Olexa
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Robin H. Johnsonrobb...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi folks, I've been doing some more mucking with the Bugzilla code and setup, and I think I've got most of the issues worked out that previously prevented it from being fully load balanced. So, please test at:

[gentoo-dev] EAPI 3 and nonfatal die

2009-08-21 Thread David Leverton
In EAPI 3, most commands and functions provided by the package manager automatically call die if they fail. There's also a new nonfatal function that can be used to suppress this behaviour: by prefixing a function/command call with nonfatal, the automatic die behaviour is suppressed during the

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 3 and nonfatal die

2009-08-21 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Friday 21 of August 2009 22:56:41 David Leverton wrote: Does anyone have any opinions on which of the four options (#1 make die respect nonfatal, #2 make die always die, #3 add a new die variant that respects nonfatal, #4 make regular die respect nonfatal, and add a new variant that

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 3 and nonfatal die

2009-08-21 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:09:33 +0200 Maciej Mrozowski reave...@poczta.fm wrote: I suggest #5 - drop the idea of 'nonfatal'. Then how do you plan to handle all the standard utilities that die on failure in EAPI 3? -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Make 10.0 profiles EAPI-2 'compliant'

2009-08-21 Thread Ryan Hill
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:25:35 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: 2009-08-13 07:55:22 Ryan Hill napisał(a): On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:46:56 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:41:30 +0200 Tomáš Chvátal

[gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI 3 and nonfatal die

2009-08-21 Thread David Leverton
On Friday 21 August 2009 21:56:41 David Leverton wrote: A potential advantage of this over the previous solution is that if the force option is implemented with an environment variable, it can be used regardless of EAPI ...except that the previous solution could use an environment variable

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Make 10.0 profiles EAPI-2 'compliant'

2009-08-21 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2009-08-21 23:17:56 Ryan Hill napisał(a): On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:25:35 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: 2009-08-13 07:55:22 Ryan Hill napisał(a): On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:46:56 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Make 10.0 profiles EAPI-2 'compliant'

2009-08-21 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:42:11 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: How does changing the portage documentation magically add this to the PMS? PMS developers are unwilling to fix many bugs in PMS. This is not a bug in PMS. PMS accurately reflected the Portage

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 3 and nonfatal die

2009-08-21 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2009-08-21 22:56:41 David Leverton napisał(a): In EAPI 3, most commands and functions provided by the package manager automatically call die if they fail. There's also a new nonfatal function that can be used to suppress this behaviour: by prefixing a function/command call with nonfatal, the

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 3 and nonfatal die

2009-08-21 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:40:04 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: I would like to also notice that (not yet approved by Council) definition of nonfatal() in PMS was recently drastically changed without proper discussion with developers of other package managers.

[gentoo-dev] Gentoo stats server/client @ 2009-08-22

2009-08-21 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Hello! Arrivals The third peport table on installed packages most-unmasked has just arrived: http://smolt.hartwork.org:45678/static/stats/gentoo.html#installed_packages_most_unmasked Questions = Before adding the forth least-installed table, I'd like to take the chance to ask

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 3 and nonfatal die

2009-08-21 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Friday 21 of August 2009 23:12:23 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:09:33 +0200 Maciej Mrozowski reave...@poczta.fm wrote: I suggest #5 - drop the idea of 'nonfatal'. Then how do you plan to handle all the standard utilities that die on failure in EAPI 3? #1 make die

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo stats server/client @ 2009-08-22

2009-08-21 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 08/22/2009 01:55 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: Hello! Arrivals The third peport table on installed packages most-unmasked has just arrived: http://smolt.hartwork.org:45678/static/stats/gentoo.html#installed_packages_most_unmasked Is there something special required to use smolt?

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 3 and nonfatal die

2009-08-21 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 01:01:48 +0200 Maciej Mrozowski reave...@poczta.fm wrote: That being said I don't like refraining from return value approach towards exception handling approach nonfatal's not an exception handling approach. Think of it as a utility like 'nice', 'ionice', 'xargs', 'env' or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Make 10.0 profiles EAPI-2 'compliant'

2009-08-21 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Friday 21 of August 2009 23:46:38 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:42:11 +0200 PMS accurately reflected the Portage documentation at the time it was written and at the time it was approved. Agreed, but I think it was supposed to reflect Portage 'behaviour' at the time. Of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo stats server/client @ 2009-08-22

2009-08-21 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Is there something special required to use smolt? I get to a page that tells me this after I submit my profile: Error: Critical: New versions of smolt use a public UUID. Yours is: pub_---- What version/edition of Smolt are you trying

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 3 and nonfatal die

2009-08-21 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2009-08-22 00:51:14 Ciaran McCreesh napisał(a): On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:40:04 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: I would like to also notice that (not yet approved by Council) definition of nonfatal() in PMS was recently drastically changed without proper

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 3 and nonfatal die

2009-08-21 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Saturday 22 of August 2009 01:06:30 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 01:01:48 +0200 Maciej Mrozowski reave...@poczta.fm wrote: That being said I don't like refraining from return value approach towards exception handling approach nonfatal's not an exception handling

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 3 and nonfatal die

2009-08-21 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 01:20:36 +0200 Maciej Mrozowski reave...@poczta.fm wrote: That being said I don't like refraining from return value approach towards exception handling approach nonfatal's not an exception handling approach. Think of it as a utility like 'nice', 'ionice', 'xargs',

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 3 and nonfatal die

2009-08-21 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 01:15:18 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: There was no change to the definition of nonfatal. There was a change regardless of what you think. No, you were misreading the original wording (which I quite happy admit was wide open for

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo stats server/client @ 2009-08-22

2009-08-21 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 08/22/2009 02:11 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Is there something special required to use smolt? I get to a page that tells me this after I submit my profile: Error: Critical: New versions of smolt use a public UUID. Yours is:

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 3 and nonfatal die

2009-08-21 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 01:39:41 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: There was a change regardless of what you think. No, you were misreading the original wording The original wording didn't disallow affecting die(). Not disallowed things are always

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Make 10.0 profiles EAPI-2 'compliant'

2009-08-21 Thread Robert Buchholz
On Saturday 22 August 2009, Maciej Mrozowski wrote: It's true, but being able to modularize profile may outweights the need to be strict-with-the-book here - it's a matter of usefulness. I think it should be decided by those who actually do the work in profile, whether it's worthy to push this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Make 10.0 profiles EAPI-2 'compliant'

2009-08-21 Thread Chip Parker
2009/8/21 Robert Buchholz r...@gentoo.org: On Saturday 22 August 2009, Maciej Mrozowski wrote: It's true, but being able to modularize profile may outweights the need to be strict-with-the-book here - it's a matter of usefulness. I think it should be decided by those who actually do the work

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Make 10.0 profiles EAPI-2 'compliant'

2009-08-21 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:29:12 -0700 Chip Parker infowo...@gmail.com wrote: If this feature, which HAD been documented (in bugzilla and commitlogs) prior to the first RFC for PMS As I've already explained to you on bugzilla, this is untrue. You're confusing user configuration with the tree. PMS

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo stats server/client @ 2009-08-22

2009-08-21 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: What version/edition of Smolt are you trying to commit with? The only available one: app-admin/smolt-1.2 Smolt 1.2 does not have the Gentoo-specific client code you need, yet. Please try again with app-admin/gentoo-smolt- from my sping overlay. Sebastian

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Make 10.0 profiles EAPI-2 'compliant'

2009-08-21 Thread Ryan Hill
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:29:12 -0700 Chip Parker infowo...@gmail.com wrote: If you were building a house, and the blueprints had been signed off on calling for 1 meter high doors, but the builder had built in 2 meter high doors, would you then go back to the builder and require him to do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Diff between Funtoo and Gentoo as an overlay

2009-08-21 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Sebastian Pipping wrote: Commits are done automatically, triggering and pushing is manual at the moment. By now a cron-based setup is running syncing the pure-funtoo overlay (and therefore also its atom and rss feeds) every 24 hours. Sebastian

[gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI 3 and nonfatal die

2009-08-21 Thread Ryan Hill
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:56:41 +0100 David Leverton levert...@googlemail.com wrote: Does anyone have any opinions on which of the four options (#1 make die respect nonfatal, #2 make die always die, #3 add a new die variant that respects nonfatal, #4 make regular die respect nonfatal, and add a

[gentoo-dev] Re: Diff between Funtoo and Gentoo as an overlay

2009-08-21 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 08/22/2009 05:39 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: Sebastian Pipping wrote: Commits are done automatically, triggering and pushing is manual at the moment. By now a cron-based setup is running syncing the pure-funtoo overlay (and therefore also its atom and rss feeds) every 24 hours. There

[gentoo-dev] Re: Diff between Funtoo and Gentoo as an overlay

2009-08-21 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 08/22/2009 05:59 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 08/22/2009 05:39 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: Sebastian Pipping wrote: Commits are done automatically, triggering and pushing is manual at the moment. By now a cron-based setup is running syncing the pure-funtoo overlay (and therefore also

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo stats server/client @ 2009-08-22

2009-08-21 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 08/22/2009 04:07 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: What version/edition of Smolt are you trying to commit with? The only available one: app-admin/smolt-1.2 Smolt 1.2 does not have the Gentoo-specific client code you need, yet. Please try again with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Diff between Funtoo and Gentoo as an overlay

2009-08-21 Thread Jeremy Olexa
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 08/22/2009 05:59 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 08/22/2009 05:39 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: Sebastian Pipping wrote: Commits are done automatically, triggering and pushing is manual at the moment. By now a cron-based setup is running syncing the pure-funtoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Diff between Funtoo and Gentoo as an overlay

2009-08-21 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: There seems to be a bit of (minimal) duplication between pure-funtoo and sunrise: app-office/thinking-rock-bin dev-tex/mimetex x11-drivers/xf86-video-nouveau And since sunrise is the most popular overlay, it might be a good idea to also omit packages found

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Make 10.0 profiles EAPI-2 'compliant'

2009-08-21 Thread Duncan
Robert Buchholz posted on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 01:44:51 +0200 as excerpted: I wonder what the value of the PMS specification is if every time an inconsistency comes up the argument is raised that it should document portage behavior. EAPI 1, 2 and 3 have been agreed by the council and PMS is in a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Diff between Funtoo and Gentoo as an overlay

2009-08-21 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Uhm, I just discovered that there are conflicts with portage too. That is not good. After I added pure-funtoo, it messed up my emerge -u world (stuff like wanting to upgrade to sys-apps/baselayout-2.1.5). Hopefully fixed

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo stats server/client @ 2009-08-22

2009-08-21 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Done. Seems to work OK. Though there's no info about the scanning of packages and my profile page only lists hardware. I cannot find any new entries in the database. Have you been using --server=http://smolt.hartwork.org:45678/ on submission? I mentioned that in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo stats server/client @ 2009-08-22

2009-08-21 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Jeremy Olexa wrote: - Would zero-install packages be more interesting than almost-zero ones or the other way around? I don't really understand this question. Does zero-install mean that they are not installed at all? This isn't really useful, because the ommition of a package from the

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo stats server/client @ 2009-08-22

2009-08-21 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 08/22/2009 07:06 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Done. Seems to work OK. Though there's no info about the scanning of packages and my profile page only lists hardware. I cannot find any new entries in the database. Have you been using

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Make 10.0 profiles EAPI-2 'compliant'

2009-08-21 Thread Andrew D Kirch
Ryan Hill wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:29:12 -0700 Chip Parker infowo...@gmail.com wrote: If you were building a house, and the blueprints had been signed off on calling for 1 meter high doors, but the builder had built in 2 meter high doors, would you then go back to the builder and