On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 08:10:20 +0300
Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 22/07/14 04:05, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote:
And just for fun, since no one has mentioned it yet, dynamic deps
don't work at all on binpkgs since the Packages file contains the
deps (like vardb) and it
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 21:53:04 +0200
Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Actually the quizzes are pretty much clear on that.
Revision must be bumped when the on-disk files installed by the
ebuild are changed.
Nothing about dependencies.
This has been policy for a LONG time,
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:42:23 +0300
Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
Revision bumping for dependency change that doesn't cause the
package's file content
to change doesn't make sense; triggers useless rebuilds for users.
A merged ebuild that misses a dependency needs an useless
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 23:01:58 +0200
Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote:
So you suggest we work around a bug in the PM which would be a single
fix. Everywhere.
Which bugs? Which fixes? Where? ... Did this thread spawn from nothing?
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Tom Wijsman (TomWij)
Gentoo Developer
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 17:52:51 -0500
William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
My concern about doing a revbump just because the deps change is that
the new revision has to be committed in ~arch, so we then have to hit
the arch teams, which we know are overworked anyway, with stable
requests
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 20:50:55 +0200
Alexander Berntsen berna...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 22/07/14 20:44, Kent Fredric wrote:
So we'll probably need a repoman check that is smart enough to know
X is modified and compare the DEPEND fields with the
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 23:11:37 +0200
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
But I guess they're indeed a larger issue than, for example, portage
forcing wrong branches of || dependencies or other dependency
calculation errors that result in people being unable to update their
systems. But I don't
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 22:05:54 +0300
Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
Not before someone has implemented an alternative way to avoid useless
rebuilding.
The quality of the distribution doesn't improve by killing one of the
most important
features the package manager has.
The
gentoo-x86 has been converted to use virtual/libgudev. big thanks to
_AxS_ who helped me to
get it finally done.
that means we will be removing compability USE flags gudev
introspection from virtual/udev
tomorrow'ish (only waiting for gnome-overlay folks)
run this in your overlay:
$ grep
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 23:11:37 +0200
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
[citation needed].
In other words, please support such claims with evidence. Because
honestly I didn't see very much people complaining about unnecessary
rebuilds, except in this specific thread.
But I guess they're
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 21:34:10 -0400
Alexandre Rostovtsev tetrom...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, 2014-07-21 at 22:56 +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
Yes, it does. I'm not sure if it leads anywhere, though. Dynamic
deps are a pipe dream. You can't implement them properly, so we're
using half-working
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 19:37:17 +
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
afaiu dynamic deps are broken and not defined in PMS
It goes a step further than that!
The PMS imposes certain limits on dependencies; it states that DEPEND
must be present before executing src_* phases, that RDEPEND must
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:41:39 -0400
Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote:
I wonder if there may be some form of extension we could add to
portage, such that it could do a VDB-only re-emerge somehow, when
the in-tree ebuild doesn't match the
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:21:00 +1000
Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote:
What a great way to kill the distro.
I can already heat my house with the number of unnecessary rebuilds
Do you upgrade @world every hour and thus have it cause excessive heat?
If I upgrade every X weeks they
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:25:45 +0200
Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote:
One question: why for Removal of a USE flag along with the relevant
dependencies dynamic deps say revbump + unnecessary rebuild? What
would happen without the revbump?
Assuming dynamic dependencies don't exist,
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:53:49 -0400
Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote:
Using ${PVR} to detect how portage should update things
would be asking for trouble, imo.
This entire sub thread reads like a dynamic dependencies alternative in
disguise,
Dnia 2014-07-21, o godz. 23:06:07
Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org napisał(a):
El lun, 21-07-2014 a las 20:55 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 21:53:04 +0200
Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Revision must be bumped when the on-disk files installed by the
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 22:05:54 +0300
Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
The quality of the distribution doesn't improve by killing one of the
most important features the package manager has.
Uh, that's a bit of an odd claim, given that dynamic deps often doesn't
do what you're after
Looks like www-client/chromium is going to start using c++11 seriously
and require gcc-4.8+, see thread
https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msg/chromium-packagers/fvJvPG8fa7I/iWPEsUxhKikJ
This is in the dev channel for now, but given the 6 weeks release cycle
it'll go to stable in about 3
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On 22/07/14 04:51 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
Am Dienstag 22 Juli 2014, 22:40:03 schrieb Ulrich Mueller:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014, Martin Vaeth wrote:
PF has to be filled correctly, of course: The versions foo-1
and foo-1-r0 are identical according
Kent Fredric posted on Wed, 23 Jul 2014 06:44:57 +1200 as excerpted:
Ok, we can side step this discussion partially:
Lets pretend for a moment dynamic deps get banned.
People will still unconsciously make that mistake and things will still
break when they do.
So we'll probably need a
Samuli Suominen:
On 22/07/14 10:25, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote:
On 7/21/14, 11:52 PM, Alexander Berntsen wrote:
2. Remove dynamic-deps. This is what I think currently makes sense.
+1 I also think it's the best option.
Not before someone has implemented an alternative way to avoid useless
On 07/23/2014 09:36 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:21:00 +1000
Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote:
What a great way to kill the distro.
I can already heat my house with the number of unnecessary rebuilds
Do you upgrade @world every hour and thus have it cause
On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 01:13 +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 21:34:10 -0400
Alexandre Rostovtsev tetrom...@gentoo.org wrote:
Why not adapt the updates mechanism for modifying rdepends? Perhaps
something like
rdepends-add foo-bar/blah-3.14 wombat? ( =dev-libs/wombat-1.0 )
Sent from an iPhone, sorry for the HTML...
On Jul 22, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote:
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:53:49 -0400
Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote:
Using ${PVR} to detect how portage should update
Alexander Berntsen berna...@gentoo.org wrote:
If you think these patches are useful for Portage, please send them to
dev-port...@gentoo.org.
I submitted them to the gentoo.portage.devel mailing list as was
recommended to me in a pm. I am sorry that due to lack of time
and experience with
Hi All,
I am trying to create an ebuild for Egroupware 14.1. (released this month)
To find out the dependencies, I am going through the setup check and am stuck
with the following:
**
Checking PEAR pear.horde.org/Horde_Imap_Client (2.16.0) is installed: False
PEAR::Horde_Imap_Client is needed
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 20:01:55 -0400
Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote:
The thing about -rX.Y is that it allows this new-dynamic-deps thing
to act like a regular rev bump to any PM that doesn't bother to
implement it (or dynamic deps for that matter). Instant
backwards-compatibility is a
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 23:06:07 +0200
Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote:
Maybe this could be solved by having two kinds of revisions:
- One would rebuild all as usually (for example, -r1...)
- The other one would only regenerate VDB and wouldn't change the
installed files (for example, -r1.1)
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Ciaran McCreesh
ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 23:06:07 +0200
Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote:
Maybe this could be solved by having two kinds of revisions:
- One would rebuild all as usually (for example, -r1...)
- The other one
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Martin Vaeth mar...@mvath.de wrote:
...but by introducing all the additional complications Ian
has mentioned. More precisely: What happens if new dependencies
are introduced which are not satisfied?
One has to face it: Portage must not just silently update the
Tom Wijsman posted on Tue, 22 Jul 2014 23:47:48 +0200 as excerpted:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 19:37:17 + hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
afaiu dynamic deps are broken and not defined in PMS
It goes a step further than that!
The PMS imposes certain limits on dependencies; it states
Manuel Rüger noticed that most of haskell packages's 'metadata.xml'
contain duplicate information:
herdhaskell/herd
maintaineremailhask...@gentoo.org/email/maintainer
I've added a check against 'herds.xml's email aliases.
Now repoman warns about such redundancy:
metadata.warning
The @changed-deps set tries to compare RDEPEND and PDEPEND entries of
installed packages with ebuild counterparts, and pulls the ebuild
whenever the two are not in sync. This could be used, for example, to
clean up the system after disabling --dynamic-deps.
---
cnf/sets/portage.conf | 5
---
bin/misc-functions.sh | 15 +++
1 file changed, 15 insertions(+)
diff --git a/bin/misc-functions.sh b/bin/misc-functions.sh
index 5ccf7c2..f24e78c 100755
--- a/bin/misc-functions.sh
+++ b/bin/misc-functions.sh
@@ -595,6 +595,21 @@ install_qa_check() {
done
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The Portage team meeting will be Thursday 24th at 6pm. If you have
some really good reason for it not be, let me know and I will at least
consider rearranging it.
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Alexander
berna...@gentoo.org
https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
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Manuel Rüger noticed that most of haskell packages's 'metadata.xml'
contain duplicate information:
herdhaskell/herd
maintaineremailhask...@gentoo.org/email/maintainer
I've added a check against 'herds.xml's email aliases.
Now repoman warns about such redundancy:
metadata.warning
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Sorry, I got timezone confused! That's 7pm UTC 0.
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Alexander
berna...@gentoo.org
https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
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