[gentoo-dev] Re: Spider's Resignation from the Project

2006-10-12 Thread Duncan
Lance Albertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:56:02 -0500: > Grant Goodyear wrote: >> Seemant Kulleen wrote: [Thu Oct 12 2006, 08:50:33AM CDT] >>> A typical example of the institutionalisation of the project [...] >> >> A minor correction h

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Alon Bar-Lev (alonbl)

2006-10-12 Thread Eldad Zack
On Thursday 12 October 2006 02:19, Michael Cummings wrote: > On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 08:35 -0700, Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote: > > Eldad Zack wrote: > > > Christian Heim wrote: > > >> Its my pleasure to introduce to you Alon "alonbl" Bar-Lev, the latest > > >> addition joining to help out with th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-12 Thread Luca Barbato
Do not top post, is rude. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting Peter Weber wrote: > You seem to think that the discussion is around you, and your work :-) > > It is about Gentoo, please keep this in mind. Nobody says YOU have to > make the work, or that you are doing sth. wrong. You could do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-12 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2006-10-12 at 20:06 +0200, Peter Weber wrote: > - The same installtion (networkless!) possibilites should be offered to > the people who install via the shell (the oldschool an most often used > way i believe), the ncurses-installer and the gtk-installer. I > personally think a real Stage-3

Re: [gentoo-dev] Troubleshooters for Gentoo

2006-10-12 Thread Caleb Cushing
> I have a couple of questions: > > 1) Does this sound like a good idea? > > 2) Does anyone feel like pouring his/her troubleshooting skills into >content for my program? 1.) maybe microsofts troubleshooter sucks, it never solved a single problem I had. this will only be a good Idea if we'r

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paladius (was: GLEP 42?)

2006-10-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:41:20 +0200 Natanael Copa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On Thu, 2006-10-12 at 16:18 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | > On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:24:36 +0200 Natanael Copa | > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > | btw.. I keep hearing about this paladius. Is it more | > | script-friendl

[gentoo-dev] Troubleshooters for Gentoo

2006-10-12 Thread Maurice van der Pot
Hi, I've noticed in the past that a lot of people come to irc with problems in some area (say networking) that are easy to solve just by first asking a number of questions to identify the problem and then providing the solution. I've always liked the way Microsoft put these troubleshooters in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] a new TLP to "unify" programming langiages?

2006-10-12 Thread George Shapovalov
четвер, 12. жовтень 2006 10:47, Stuart Herbert написав: > This isn't going to bring any benefits to anyone. If you want to help > users find docs on programming languages on Gentoo (assuming there > _are_ any users who don't know how to Google for such things), just > get the docs team to organise

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-12 Thread Peter Weber
Hi, im sorry about "creating" a flamewar. But their are a view points that disturb me really: - The same installtion (networkless!) possibilites should be offered to the people who install via the shell (the oldschool an most often used way i believe), the ncurses-installer and the gtk-installer.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Spider's Resignation from the Project

2006-10-12 Thread Lance Albertson
Grant Goodyear wrote: > Seemant Kulleen wrote: [Thu Oct 12 2006, 08:50:33AM CDT] >> A typical example of the institutionalisation of the project is myself. >> >> Had anyone just bothered to send me an email I would have replied. >> "no, he's gone, terminate the account."that part works. >> >> B

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:03:41 -0500 Andrew Gaffney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's "paludis", and no, the API is currently C++ only, afaik. There > are ruby bindings in the works, though. The other alternative, > pkgcore, has a python API...as does portage itself. None of the > options have an in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Spider's Resignation from the Project

2006-10-12 Thread Grant Goodyear
Seemant Kulleen wrote: [Thu Oct 12 2006, 08:50:33AM CDT] > A typical example of the institutionalisation of the project is myself. > > Had anyone just bothered to send me an email I would have replied. > "no, he's gone, terminate the account."that part works. > > But. > > You could have told

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Natanael Copa wrote: btw.. I keep hearing about this paladius. Is it more script-friendly than emerge? It's "paludis", and no, the API is currently C++ only, afaik. There are ruby bindings in the works, though. The other alternative, pkgcore, has a python API...as does portage itself. None of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paladius (was: GLEP 42?)

2006-10-12 Thread Natanael Copa
On Thu, 2006-10-12 at 16:18 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:24:36 +0200 Natanael Copa > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | btw.. I keep hearing about this paladius. Is it more script-friendly > | than emerge? > > Once we get the Ruby interface fleshed out it will be... What abo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:52:42 +0100 "Stuart Herbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On 10/11/06, Stephen Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > We also use space-delimited depend atoms everywhere else. It makes | > no sense to break that when a comma works equally well. | | I'm sorry, are you telling

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:24:36 +0200 Natanael Copa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | btw.. I keep hearing about this paladius. Is it more script-friendly | than emerge? Once we get the Ruby interface fleshed out it will be... -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail: ciaranm at ciaranm.org Web

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:00:05 +0100 "Stuart Herbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On 10/11/06, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > Not an issue for me. It's an issue for random people writing | > scripts, for people using command line things and for people who | > don't want to use a full

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Brian Harring wrote: > cat/pkg[use1_on,-use2_off,-use3_on] You mean "use3_on", without the minus sign, right? Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Spider's Resignation from the Project

2006-10-12 Thread Damian Florczyk
Seemant Kulleen napisał(a): > Dear All, > > I'm forwarding this on behalf of Spider. If anyone would like to send a > message to him, please respond to me privately and I'll forward your > wishes along. > > Thanks, > > Seemant > > --- BEGIN > > Well, I guess the time has come to say farew

[gentoo-dev] Spider's Resignation from the Project

2006-10-12 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Dear All, I'm forwarding this on behalf of Spider. If anyone would like to send a message to him, please respond to me privately and I'll forward your wishes along. Thanks, Seemant --- BEGIN Well, I guess the time has come to say farewell. Not without a slight taste of bitterness in my m

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Natanael Copa
On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 22:17 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:08:31 +0100 "Stuart Herbert" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | On 10/11/06, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > Spaces in dep atoms would be highly evil, since it'd mean they were > | > no longer simply s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-12 Thread Caleb Cushing
I know what unsupported means chris. what I'm referring to though are bugs that would affect i686 as well. but possibly get closed because a dev, like yourself, requested emerge --info and saw it was build on < i686 and closes it for that reason. probably RESOLVED WONTFIX . On 10/11/06, Chris Gia

Re: [gentoo-dev] a new TLP to "unify" programming langiages?

2006-10-12 Thread Caleb Cushing
This isn't going to bring any benefits to anyone. If you want to help users find docs on programming languages on Gentoo (assuming there _are_ any users who don't know how to Google for such things), just get the docs team to organise 'Programming Languages on Gentoo' docs category on [1]. _That

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:52:42 +0100 "Stuart Herbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm sorry, are you telling everyone that it's too difficult for you to > write an ungreedy regex that also tests for the possibility of a list > bounded by [ and ] being part of an atom? No. I'm saying that it's more

[gentoo-dev] Last rites for net-im/kopete

2006-10-12 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
As per summary, net-im/kopete is going away (again). For a while upstrem released some versions out of the KDE release cycle (0.12_alpha through 0.12.2), but now 0.12.3 was merged again inside kdenetwork-3.5.5, so the point of having it in net-im is gone again. As I've heard the most foolish req

Re: [gentoo-dev] a new TLP to "unify" programming langiages?

2006-10-12 Thread Alexandre Buisse
On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 19:33:16 +0200, George Shapovalov wrote: > Hi gang. > > [snip] > > The principal list of individual TLPs (as they stand now) is below: > Common Lisp > eselect > java > perl > php > python > Ada -- to be added Hi, if you go ahead with it, we'll probably want to add a ml

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/11/06, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not an issue for me. It's an issue for random people writing scripts, for people using command line things and for people who don't want to use a full parser framework for some quick hack. There's no need to make things harder for random dev

Re: [gentoo-dev] a new TLP to "unify" programming langiages?

2006-10-12 Thread Luca Barbato
George Shapovalov wrote: > Well, it seemed like a small tool, having a TLP for which is a gross > overkill, eselect is anything but a small tool... I'd just reorder docs in a more rational way but let our flat tlp as is. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/11/06, Stephen Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We also use space-delimited depend atoms everywhere else. It makes no sense to break that when a comma works equally well. I'm sorry, are you telling everyone that it's too difficult for you to write an ungreedy regex that also tests for t

Re: [gentoo-dev] a new TLP to "unify" programming langiages?

2006-10-12 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/12/06, George Shapovalov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Funnily I already got questions like "is this thing only to move stuff around? I would be all for it if it had a bit more meat". I added that PPS expecting questions like that would be asked. Of course, realistically I do not think anythin

Re: [gentoo-dev] a new TLP to "unify" programming langiages?

2006-10-12 Thread George Shapovalov
середа, 11. жовтень 2006 22:30, Matthew Kennedy Ви написали: > I think this proposal is OK even it is just to organize the top level > listing a bit better. It seems like a real mix right now -- Council > next to Common Lisp, PR next to Python and so on etc. Yea, this is exactly why I want to orga

Re: [gentoo-dev] a new TLP to "unify" programming langiages?

2006-10-12 Thread George Shapovalov
середа, 11. жовтень 2006 23:12, Stuart Herbert Ви написали: > We don't need a management hierarchy just to bring some structure to > the docs on the website.I don't see any benefit in creating a TLP > for programming languages. If we were to move programming languages > around, for example, I'