Re: [gentoo-dev] Is /var/cache the right place for repositories?
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
On 20.12.2012 19:14, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
The tree is a database. It belongs in /var/db/.
I don't see /var/db in the latest release of the Filesystem
Hierarchy Standard:
http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#THEVARHIERARCHY
Wrong standard to choose from. ;-) /var/db/ is already required by the
PMS for /var/db/pkg/.
I would prefer something that blends with FHS.
Is this important for a Gentoo specific directory?
/var/db/portage/ PORTDIR
/var/db/layman/ layman storage
/var/db/pkg/ VDB (no change)
/usr/local/portage/ local overlays (no change)
/var/cache/distfiles/DISTDIR
/var/cache/packages/ PKGDIR
Alternatively, the last two could be under
/var/cache/portage/{distfiles,packages}/.
Ulrich
Re: [gentoo-dev] Is /var/cache the right place for repositories?
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 03:17:06 +0100 Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote: On 20.12.2012 19:14, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: The tree is a database. It belongs in /var/db/. I don't see /var/db in the latest release of the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#THEVARHIERARCHY I would prefer something that blends with FHS. That's ok, Gentoo doesn't follow FHS. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Is /var/cache the right place for repositories?
On 24/12/2012 10:08, Ulrich Mueller wrote: /var/cache/packages/ PKGDIR Maybe /var/spool/binpkgs ? -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/
Re: [gentoo-dev] Is /var/cache the right place for repositories?
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
On 20.12.2012 19:14, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
The tree is a database. It belongs in /var/db/.
I don't see /var/db in the latest release of the Filesystem
Hierarchy Standard:
http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#THEVARHIERARCHY
Wrong standard to choose from. ;-) /var/db/ is already required by the
PMS for /var/db/pkg/.
I would prefer something that blends with FHS.
Is this important for a Gentoo specific directory?
/var/db/portage/ PORTDIR
/var/db/layman/ layman storage
/var/db/pkg/ VDB (no change)
/usr/local/portage/ local overlays (no change)
/var/cache/distfiles/DISTDIR
/var/cache/packages/ PKGDIR
Alternatively, the last two could be under
/var/cache/portage/{distfiles,packages}/.
Query that's been percolating in my mind...how much of this is
specific to Gentoo, and how much has strong overlap with closely
related distros like Sabayon and Funtoo?
--
:wq
Re: [gentoo-dev] Is /var/cache the right place for repositories?
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:08:13 +0100 Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012, Sebastian Pipping wrote: On 20.12.2012 19:14, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: The tree is a database. It belongs in /var/db/. I don't see /var/db in the latest release of the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#THEVARHIERARCHY Wrong standard to choose from. ;-) /var/db/ is already required by the PMS for /var/db/pkg/. Incorrect. The PMS specifies vdb as being 'unspecified'. The fact that it provides a path there doesn't seem really relevant. -- Best regards, Michał Górny signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Is /var/cache the right place for repositories?
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: /var/cache/packages/ PKGDIR Maybe /var/spool/binpkgs ? This doesn't look right to me. /var/spool contains things like printer queues or outgoing mail that are typically deleted after processing. Ulrich
Re: [gentoo-dev] Is /var/cache the right place for repositories?
On 24/12/2012 14:32, Ulrich Mueller wrote: This doesn't look right to me. /var/spool contains things like printer queues or outgoing mail that are typically deleted after processing. Not sure how /var/cache fits for binpkgs though, tbh. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/
Re: [gentoo-dev] Is /var/cache the right place for repositories?
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012, Diego Elio Pettenň wrote: /var/cache/packages/ PKGDIR Maybe /var/spool/binpkgs ? This doesn't look right to me. /var/spool contains things like printer queues or outgoing mail that are typically deleted after processing. Then treat it like garbage collection. Some maintenance action could go through and remove the files which aren't fetch-restricted. Portage could do this at the end of its cycle, or it could be set up as a cron job, or it could require a manual maintenance step. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-dev] Is /var/cache the right place for repositories?
Il 24/12/2012 10:11, Ciaran McCreesh ha scritto: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 03:17:06 +0100 Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote: On 20.12.2012 19:14, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: The tree is a database. It belongs in /var/db/. yes and no, yes it contain data and executable needed to update gentoo system, in a hierarchical and relational form no, it's a cache of a remote database generally mantained from others. Actually also the difference in importance between /var/db/pkg and //ebuild_tree is very high. Loose the pkg db and your best plan is to re-emerge the entire world, provided you still have a copy of /var/lib/portage/world (or equivalent), loose the latter and have a laugh. To put those in the same category seem risky Not that I personally care since everything gentoo related is kept in /g on my systems, also this for various reason mainly because it's something used to mantain a system and if maintainaince is not needed it's very easy this way to remove. I don't see /var/db in the latest release of the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#THEVARHIERARCHY I would prefer something that blends with FHS. That's ok, Gentoo doesn't follow FHS. And it's ok to prefere to stay near a standard and use it as a guideline, for various reason, less difference with others and because a bunch of people has already toughted on it, to name just two. Raising to MUST blend would be indeed not beneficial. Regards, Francesco Riosa
Re: [gentoo-dev] Is /var/cache the right place for repositories?
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 24/12/2012 14:32, Ulrich Mueller wrote: This doesn't look right to me. /var/spool contains things like printer queues or outgoing mail that are typically deleted after processing. Not sure how /var/cache fits for binpkgs though, tbh. Why not? Because they are distributed to other systems? /var/lib then? (Though FHS acolytes would probably put them in /srv ...) Ulrich
Re: [gentoo-dev] Is /var/cache the right place for repositories?
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On 12/24/2012 04:08 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
On 20.12.2012 19:14, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
The tree is a database. It belongs in /var/db/.
I don't see /var/db in the latest release of the Filesystem
Hierarchy Standard:
http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#THEVARHIERARCHY
Wrong standard to choose from. ;-) /var/db/ is already required by the
PMS for /var/db/pkg/.
I would prefer something that blends with FHS.
Is this important for a Gentoo specific directory?
/var/db/portage/ PORTDIR
/var/db/layman/ layman storage
/var/db/pkg/ VDB (no change)
/usr/local/portage/ local overlays (no change)
/var/cache/distfiles/DISTDIR
/var/cache/packages/ PKGDIR
Alternatively, the last two could be under
/var/cache/portage/{distfiles,packages}/.
I am not 100% on this, but I think this is my first +1 for this thread.
+1
I really like this layout, it almost makes sense.
I won't be bike shedding on this topic (really don't care that much),
but I do really like this layout.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Is /var/cache the right place for repositories?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/24/2012 09:00 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 24/12/2012 14:32, Ulrich Mueller wrote: This doesn't look right to me. /var/spool contains things like printer queues or outgoing mail that are typically deleted after processing. Not sure how /var/cache fits for binpkgs though, tbh. Application cache data. Such data are locally generated as a result of time-consuming I/O or calculation. The application must be able to regenerate or restore the data. The cached files can be deleted without loss of data. No sure how it doesn't... Binpackages are really essentially cache created by portage through time-consuming I/O and calculation (compiling) and can easily be regenerated locally. Plus, you can delete all of this and the system is still functional. - -ZC -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQ2H5HAAoJEKXdFCfdEflKoPEP/14QYZIF/mbquRFkiCnp5KCN s11qw4He6yEsgnjvMKA1CCWZ0R85G/wfVnj0DpcK83zXrP9Znbrk4Yatue/7KXaZ I/sDg5Woo1FT6Mb9EY7hgpawIS25+6xA3eRsPKIlPzBG+i43ZTM4JhDLJeTs1VSH APhkH0EXiA0H8ngCTgP9ReDXoi8KqPbMYGe/t3NVL4KalPdkDsjHeqfUG95C660f TM34UvOGBA4HpySmH+FRdsUxV+9tJtdOZFjSm/oQX5IZrzLQA5lOSHe6t8sQJnsk /b6TYncolfVpUED6y/8072S4GL+mEucf8NFIyMClpDymfILS7zFR0hEawm+UrLjm O2/0ivPHQQA/P4uwTDQzJ1KqHZAgN0lDgbSZYZ5290whypSyJoGIKfVIvSI/qjFR JOy5pCMkY9oClOqZB6s32WowKCzPipT7MPvBgotPuBoHaaMJOeW53FJadi/VEyGc qL6Uv6jn0WKJJpGrONm7LwXnYB8kVzOmqVLpGEIO1mqEX9QL71qsq/Fw1pAyqqB5 NSq1dDbKye9C7nH1xSmhzgGFTs3V+IHKAV2iwjeElhZJF/Iv2+nj/6gONpNI7279 x1Zbi7i3JM1z4EMSaV+Nt60endPeB4KnDFoPXlRLZTlyR2qcLVNVr+qAIWG3m+mM QqQCREx2n/KV/hFUUh5U =7lrq -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] Is /var/cache the right place for repositories?
On 24/12/2012 16:43, Ulrich Mueller wrote: Why not? Because they are distributed to other systems? More because they can be used as a backup themselves, if I want to keep older versions available. /var/lib then? Fine by me. (Though FHS acolytes would probably put them in /srv ...) Let's not get on with /srv right now please. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/
[gentoo-dev] gen_usr_ldscript --libdir=/lib
On Friday 14 December 2012 05:43:41 Fabian Groffen wrote:
gen_usr_ldscript() vs --libdir=/lib. Questions on why, and if it makes
sense to remove gen_usr_ldscript in favour of --libdir. WilliamH will
open a discussion on gentoo-dev ML.
these are orthogonal issues. not every package using gen_usr_ldscript has a
--libdir option, and even the ones that do commonly install more than one
library but we really only want to move one. plus with static libs, --libdir
will install those into the wrong place.
so for most packages, the choice is either:
src_configure() { econf ; }
src_install() { default ; gen_usr_ldscript -a bar ; }
or:
src_configure() { econf --libdir=/lib ; }
src_install() {
default
dodir /usr/$(get_libdir)
mv ${ED}/$(get_libdir)/lib{f,x}* ${ED}/usr/$(get_libdir)/
|| die
if use static-libs ; then
mv ${ED}/$(get_libdir)/*.{a,la} \
${ED}/usr/$(get_libdir)/ || die
fi
}
the only time --libdir=/lib makes sense to use is when the path itself then
gets used for things other than just the installation of libraries and there's
no knob to control those other things. like rules.d files.
i.e. saying we should get rid of gen_usr_ldscript and use --libdir=/lib
makes absolutely no sense. it's just begging for people to screw things up
constantly and waste developer time for 0 gain.
-mike
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On 24/12/2012 20:08, Mike Frysinger wrote: i.e. saying we should get rid of gen_usr_ldscript and use --libdir=/lib makes absolutely no sense. it's just begging for people to screw things up constantly and waste developer time for 0 gain. Amen. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
