Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: LLVM

2016-08-19 Thread C Bergström
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:41 AM, james wrote: > On 08/19/2016 05:05 PM, C Bergström wrote: >> >> On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 4:52 AM, james wrote: >> >> >> > > You removed your rude remark::: > " Sorry to be the party crasher, but..." > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: LLVM

2016-08-19 Thread C Bergström
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 4:52 AM, james wrote: >> Back to my own glass house.. It will take a few years, but I am trying >> to make it easier (internally) to expose in some clear way all the >> pieces which compose a fine tuning per-processor. If this was "just" >> scheduling models it would be

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: LLVM

2016-08-19 Thread C Bergström
, 2016 at 2:02 AM, james wrote: > On 08/19/2016 11:15 AM, C Bergström wrote: >> >> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:01 PM, Luca Barbato wrote: >>> >>> BTW is pathscale ready to be used as system compiler as well? >> >> >> I wish, but no. We have know

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: LLVM

2016-08-19 Thread C Bergström
Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 12:54 AM, Lei Zhang wrote: > 2016-08-19 11:11 GMT+08:00 C Bergström : >> I think you're getting a bit confused >> >> libsupc++ is the default now, from GNU >> >> libcxxabi is the bloated runtime from Apple >> >> libcxxrt is th

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: LLVM

2016-08-19 Thread C Bergström
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:01 PM, Luca Barbato wrote: > BTW is pathscale ready to be used as system compiler as well? I wish, but no. We have known issues when building grub2, glibc and the Linux kernel at the very least. Someone* did report a long time ago that with their unofficial port, were a

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: LLVM

2016-08-18 Thread C Bergström
I think you're getting a bit confused libsupc++ is the default now, from GNU libcxxabi is the bloated runtime from Apple libcxxrt is the faster c++ runtime, PathScale+David Chisnall, which PathScale and FreeBSD use by default. We don't need a version number because it's pretty much rock solid st

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: LLVM

2016-08-18 Thread C Bergström
@mgorny may be able to help with some of this and has quite a bit of experience building clang/llvm. Where I work we use a "wrapper" that helps coordinate a lot of the moving pieces. https://github.com/pathscale/llvm-suite/ This may not be the perfect "gentoo" way to handle it, but the approach

Re: [gentoo-dev] impending c++11 clusterfuck?

2015-11-30 Thread C Bergström
One thing to point out.. trying to detect and using vX are just hacks for what this really is - Adding abi (C++STL/ABI) information to the ebuilds/packages. To extend this - what happens when you have a compiler that isn't compatible with the system default? When the package is merged should some

Re: [gentoo-dev] impending c++11 clusterfuck?

2015-11-29 Thread C Bergström
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Gregory M. Turner wrote: > I'm quoting myself from bug #566328 here. These were off-the-cuff > remarks that got away from me and became a call-to-arms... > > (In reply to Michał Górny from comment #7) >> This is never this simple. C++11 can change the ABI. So the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Git workflow

2015-07-05 Thread C Bergström
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 2:15 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > On Sun, Jul 05, 2015 at 07:17:26PM +0400, Jason Zaman wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 05, 2015 at 12:03:29PM +0700, C Bergström wrote: >> > On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: >> > &g

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Git workflow

2015-07-04 Thread C Bergström
On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > C Bergström posted on Sun, 05 Jul 2015 01:17:41 +0700 as excerpted: > >> I super don't like "merge" workflows. >> 1) "merge commits" are confusing at best and normal tools do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Git workflow

2015-07-04 Thread C Bergström
On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: > C Bergström wrote: >> 3) Ever tried to make a patch of the *actual* merge commit? Can one of >> the advocates of merge show me the git command to do that? (Sure you >> can diff between 2 commits, but the "merge"

Re: [gentoo-dev] Git workflow

2015-07-04 Thread C Bergström
On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 3:33 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > On 4 July 2015 at 23:28, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: >> >> On Sun, 2015-07-05 at 02:16 +0700, C Bergström wrote: >> > 2) I don't understand your comment about signatures. >> >> Gpg commit signatures [

Re: [gentoo-dev] Git workflow

2015-07-04 Thread C Bergström
On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 1:56 AM, hasufell wrote: > On 07/04/2015 08:17 PM, C Bergström wrote: >> I realize that this is subject to lots of different opinions and that >> my input doesn't carry much weight - At least I thought it's a topic >> that should be brought

Re: [gentoo-dev] Git workflow

2015-07-04 Thread C Bergström
On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 1:42 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 2:17 PM, C Bergström wrote: >> >> What I personally prefer is a rebase workflow. > > The recommendation is to rebase when practical. > > Rebasing makes the history look clean, but it sometim

[gentoo-dev] Git workflow

2015-07-04 Thread C Bergström
I realize that this is subject to lots of different opinions and that my input doesn't carry much weight - At least I thought it's a topic that should be brought up (again?) - To start I hate git.. I have used it for years now and the multitude of ways that are possible to accomplish ne

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anti-spam changes: proposal to drop spammy mail

2015-05-22 Thread C Bergström
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 1:18 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote: > On 11 May 2015 15:59:40 CEST, Rich Freeman wrote: >>On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:37 AM, C Bergström >>wrote: >>> Sorry to shoot and run, but I think you're trying to tackle this >>> problem in the wrong w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anti-spam changes: proposal to drop spammy mail

2015-05-11 Thread C Bergström
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:55 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:21 AM, C Bergström > wrote: >> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström >>> wrote: >>>> What I'm d

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anti-spam changes: proposal to drop spammy mail

2015-05-11 Thread C Bergström
Look at the forwarding which is already happening. They are already giving that big company the emails. That big company gets a copy of every email which is posted publicly already. Are you concerned about their privacy policy? Are you concerned about them complying to a government demand or ads..

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anti-spam changes: proposal to drop spammy mail

2015-05-11 Thread C Bergström
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström > wrote: >> What I'm describing is not "gmail" - it's everything that gmail has >> and offers, but @gentoo.org domain. I'm using it right now in fact.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anti-spam changes: proposal to drop spammy mail

2015-05-11 Thread C Bergström
What I'm describing is not "gmail" - it's everything that gmail has and offers, but @gentoo.org domain. I'm using it right now in fact. You get the web interface, IMAP, POP, 2 token authentication (if you want to enabled it) and lots of other things. etc etc It used to be free, but now google cha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anti-spam changes: proposal to drop spammy mail

2015-05-11 Thread C Bergström
Sorry to shoot and run, but I think you're trying to tackle this problem in the wrong way. The problem isn't to drop the mail. The solution is to change email hosting providers. As a non-profit I believe Google hosted apps would be an option (free). Then it would be possible to simply leverage that

Re: [gentoo-dev] [OT] pkgcore bountry or contract work

2015-02-21 Thread C Bergström
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 4:36 AM, Brian Dolbec wrote: > On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 03:32:58 +0700 > C Bergström wrote: > >> PathScale is interested to hire a full time dev (for at least a few >> months) in order to bring pkgcore back to life. >> >> General goals >>

[gentoo-dev] [OT] pkgcore bountry or contract work

2015-02-21 Thread C Bergström
PathScale is interested to hire a full time dev (for at least a few months) in order to bring pkgcore back to life. General goals 1) Make it capable of parsing/handling the current portage tree (We'll contribute all this work upstream/open source) 2) Improve the web based front-end https://github

Re: [gentoo-dev] arm64 update

2015-02-18 Thread C Bergström
On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 3:27 AM, Tom Gall wrote: > So first, for those interested in cheap arm64 hardware, the first 96 board > is going to start shipping in March for ~$129. The HiKey board is an 8 way > 64 bit ARM board with 8 A53 cores. (No A57s bummer!) Only had a gig of > memory on the boar

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo git workflow

2014-09-14 Thread C. Bergström
On 09/15/14 02:34 AM, hasufell wrote: William Hubbs: On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 08:04:12PM +0200, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Deciding on a _commit policy_ should be fairly straightforward and we already have one point * gpg sign every commit (unless it's a merged branch, then we only care about the

Re: [gentoo-dev] My masterplan for git migration (+ looking for infra to test it)

2014-09-14 Thread C. Bergström
On 09/14/14 08:24 PM, Jauhien Piatlicki wrote: 14.09.14 15:23, Jauhien Piatlicki написав(ла): Another question: will it be possible to maintain a copy of tree on github to make contributions for users simpler (similarly to e.g. science overlay)? (Can it somehow be combined with proposed signin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs

2014-06-02 Thread C. Bergström
On 06/ 3/14 02:50 AM, Parker Schmitt wrote: I think we need to keep the opencl stuff. In a few weeks I'll have time to help. I work for PathScale and can probably take on dev-lang/ekopath path64 - while I'd like it to continue - it could(should?) be retired - I'd need someone to help p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LTO use in the tree

2014-04-27 Thread C. Bergström
On 04/28/14 06:14 AM, Joshua Kinard wrote: On 04/27/2014 19:08, Rich Freeman wrote: On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Joshua Kinard wrote: My curiosity, as I have not attempted LTO yet on any machine, is what are the RAM requirements? Is it a hard limit, wherein the compiler simply fails if th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LTO use in the tree

2014-04-27 Thread C. Bergström
On 04/27/14 06:23 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 10:37 PM, "C. Bergström" wrote: #2 The only reference to anything which the compiler could impact is "Use Boyer-Moore (and unroll its inner loop a few times)." Finding out which flag controls that for $

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LTO use in the tree

2014-04-26 Thread C. Bergström
On 04/27/14 09:14 AM, Alex Xu wrote: On 26/04/14 08:34 PM, "C. Bergström" wrote: Pragmatically nobody gives a f* if grep has been optimized to the max since it's usually not the bottleneck. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2010-August/019310.html My point a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LTO use in the tree

2014-04-26 Thread C. Bergström
On 04/27/14 02:58 AM, Martin Vaeth wrote: Rich Freeman wrote: FWIW the list of packages I have issues with include: Not sure whether this is the right place to post it. It's interesting to see that rather lengthy list. From a compiler engineer perspective I'd like to toss in my opinion -

Re: [gentoo-dev] [OT] pkgcore bikeshed (was Portage team)

2014-01-13 Thread C. Bergström
On 01/14/14 12:37 AM, Greg KH wrote: On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 04:15:37PM +0700, "C. Bergström" wrote: At the end of the day we have one codebase which is "engineered" and another which has "evolved". I'll take an "evolved" codebase over "engin

Re: [gentoo-dev] [OT] pkgcore bikeshed (was Portage team)

2014-01-13 Thread C. Bergström
On 01/13/14 04:31 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 10:15 AM, "C. Bergström" wrote: On 01/13/14 03:43 PM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: Where I work uses pkgcore[1], but not the areas which are generally beneficial to the whole community. (We use it as part of a web appl

Re: [gentoo-dev] [OT] pkgcore bikeshed (was Portage team)

2014-01-13 Thread C. Bergström
On 01/13/14 03:43 PM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 13/01/14 09:39, C. Bergström wrote: Drive-by trolling comment but I wish the effort to keep porkage alive would have instead been directed towards pkgcore. Realistically, we have to keep

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage team, Zac's development break and stepping down as lead

2014-01-13 Thread C . Bergström
Drive-by trolling comment but I wish the effort to keep porkage alive would have instead been directed towards pkgcore.

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to support C++11 in libraries?

2013-12-19 Thread C. Bergström
On 12/19/13 03:35 PM, Michał Górny wrote: Dnia 2013-12-19, o godz. 15:28:46 "C. Bergström" napisał(a): On 12/19/13 03:20 PM, Michał Górny wrote: Dnia 2013-12-19, o godz. 00:56:31 "C. Bergström" napisał(a): On 12/19/13 12:47 AM, Kent Fredric wrote: On 19 December 201

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to support C++11 in libraries?

2013-12-19 Thread C. Bergström
On 12/19/13 03:20 PM, Michał Górny wrote: Dnia 2013-12-19, o godz. 00:56:31 "C. Bergström" napisał(a): On 12/19/13 12:47 AM, Kent Fredric wrote: On 19 December 2013 06:33, Jan Kundrát wrote: I'm worried by the cost of such a policy, though, because we would suddenly hav

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to support C++11 in libraries?

2013-12-18 Thread C. Bergström
On 12/19/13 12:47 AM, Kent Fredric wrote: On 19 December 2013 06:33, Jan Kundrát wrote: I'm worried by the cost of such a policy, though, because we would suddenly have to patch some unknown amount of software Given the nature that changing that CXX Flag globally for all users could cause man

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to support C++11 in libraries?

2013-12-18 Thread C. Bergström
On 12/19/13 12:33 AM, Jan Kundrát wrote: On Wednesday, 18 December 2013 18:05:46 CEST, "C. Bergström" wrote: If moving to C++11 - Isn't that considered just part of the work along the path? There's some clang tools to help with the migration, but I don't think anyone e

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to support C++11 in libraries?

2013-12-18 Thread C. Bergström
On 12/18/13 11:50 PM, Jan Kundrát wrote: On Wednesday, 18 December 2013 17:37:56 CEST, "C. Bergström" wrote: From the perspective of a compiler vendor - I must ask why not? There is code out there which builds fine under C++98, but fails to build when C++11 is enabled (as but o

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to support C++11 in libraries?

2013-12-18 Thread C. Bergström
On 12/18/13 11:29 PM, Jan Kundrát wrote: On Wednesday, 18 December 2013 14:58:07 CEST, hero...@gentoo.org wrote: I think it is better achieved by a (simple and stupid) global CXXFLAGS. Adding an extra USE flag feels a little over-engineering. What compiler flag do you propose to use? Note that

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to support C++11 in libraries?

2013-12-18 Thread C. Bergström
On 12/18/13 02:54 PM, Michał Górny wrote: Hello, folks. Hi Basically, I've hit this with sys-devel/llvm. A user has requested lldb support to be enabled in the ebuild [2]. Sadly, lldb requires C++11 to be used, and this means that whole LLVM needs to become C++11 enabled. And then, it would

Re: [gentoo-dev] git-r3: initial draft for review

2013-08-30 Thread C. Bergström
Do you have any plans to add support for sparse checkout? Something like this |cd git clone -n cd git remote add –f git config core.sparsecheckout true echo // >> .git/info/sparse-checkout git checkout (Credit goes to : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15827117/git-sparse-checkout-for-

Re: [gentoo-dev] New eclass cuda.eclass

2012-11-25 Thread C. Bergström
On 11/26/12 12:59 AM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/25/2012 11:47 AM, Justin wrote: Hi, I would like to introduce a new eclass for packages using the nvidia cuda compiler suite. Currently the eclass simply sanitize the NVCCFLAGS. May be ext

Re: [gentoo-dev] Six month major project on Gentoo

2011-12-14 Thread C. Bergström
On 12/15/11 01:05 AM, Christian Ruppert wrote: On Wednesday 14 December 2011 16:36:42 Gaurav Saxena wrote: Hello all, I am interested in doing my final year computer scence project on gentoo. I would be having a duration of six months to work on the project. Could you please suggest me some good

[gentoo-dev] EKOPath/Path64 compiler ebuilds + support

2011-07-30 Thread C. Bergström
Hi Recently a couple new ebuilds were added to the portage tree and I felt it's worthwhile to give a friendly heads up. So without further ado let me introduce EKOPath and Path64. EKOPath - This is a binary installer that comes from one of the nightly PathScale builds. The source to the co

Re: [gentoo-dev] sandbox-1.3 testing request

2008-12-07 Thread C. Bergström
Mike Frysinger wrote: can people who feel adventurous unmask sandbox-1.3.2 and give it a spin on their systems before i unmask it for everyone ... if you hit a bug, use bugzilla mmkay -mike I pulled the latest git sources about a week ago and seemed like I hit a regression in the autoconf..

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request for feedback on GNU Patch change

2008-09-17 Thread C. Bergström
Fabian Groffen wrote: On 17-09-2008 10:41:07 +0200, "C. Bergström" wrote: By the way, I'm against this stuff. I rather see a PATH solution involved. Portage already has a DEFAULT_PATH, and if someone refuses to install patch, one could always use a special directory with sy

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request for feedback on GNU Patch change

2008-09-17 Thread C. Bergström
Fabian Groffen wrote: On 17-09-2008 10:21:17 +0200, Santiago M. Mola wrote: Why not simply alias patch=gpatch in profile.bashrc? See the FreeBSD profile for an example. I'd like to package portage for OpenSolaris and have it just drop-in work so modifications like what you suggest

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request for feedback on GNU Patch change

2008-09-17 Thread C. Bergström
Santiago M. Mola wrote: On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 9:59 AM, "C. Bergström" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, C. Bergström wrote: Here's another idea and I don't know why I didn't think of it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request for feedback on GNU Patch change

2008-09-17 Thread C. Bergström
Fabian Groffen wrote: On 17-09-2008 09:59:42 +0200, "C. Bergström" wrote: Why not simply alias patch=gpatch in profile.bashrc? See the FreeBSD profile for an example. I'd like to package portage for OpenSolaris and have it just drop-in work so modifications like w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request for feedback on GNU Patch change

2008-09-17 Thread C. Bergström
Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, C. Bergström wrote: Here's another idea and I don't know why I didn't think of it sooner.. Instead of any system change to the patch ebuild.. Inside the eutils.eclass do a quick check for gpatch and if it exists us

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request for feedback on GNU Patch change

2008-09-16 Thread C. Bergström
Duncan wrote: "C. Bergström" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:30:51 +0200: 1) Add a symlink in GNU patch ebuild to symlink patch to gpatch You mean the other way, right? gpatch -> patch , since we already ha

[gentoo-dev] Request for feedback on GNU Patch change

2008-09-16 Thread C. Bergström
To start.. I humbly ask for no response vs starting a flamewar.. Short version: The proposed change will require changes in two places, but may cause other breakage and or simply not settle well with general consensus. 1) Add a symlink in GNU patch ebuild to symlink patch to gpatch 2) Change

[gentoo-dev] OT: Dickheads, but good devs Was: Re: Re: gentoo-dev vs lkml

2007-03-15 Thread C. Bergström
Since there's a select few people here who feel it's their duty to keep posting non-technical discussion to this list. 1) Someone much more senior than me please step in and take a leader role. 2) Everyone wrapped up in please take a step back and see what's actually trying to be accomplished.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: gentoo-dev vs lkml?

2007-03-15 Thread C. Bergström
This is a great link for the leaders, developers and just about anyone else involved in our community. While this is solely my opinion I do humbly ask anyone with a spare few minutes to step back and take a look. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645&q=poisonous+people