Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: where goes Gentoo?

2005-08-06 Thread Devdas Bhagat
On 04/08/05 14:37 -0500, Brian D. Harring wrote: snip Hell, I have yet to see what I would define as a proper solution for config manamagent for N gentoo boxes. NFS solution possibly, but that seems a bit hackish to me. http://www.infrastructures.org/ is a good place to start. Devdas

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: where goes Gentoo?

2005-08-05 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Gianelloni wrote: | eg. If I want to change the subnet mask or default router on 50 machines | on my network, I should be able to do so via a simple interface and have | the work done automatically. That's why we added c3 and clusterssh to the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: where goes Gentoo?

2005-08-05 Thread Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen
On Friday 05 August 2005 03:40, Brian D. Harring wrote: On Thu, Aug 04, 2005 at 05:31:43PM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: It's not an overnight thing, glep19 (stable portage tree) addresses a chunk of concerns when/if it's implemented, but I'm a bit more interested in the the other tools

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: where goes Gentoo?

2005-08-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Aug 05, 2005 at 10:59:23AM +0200, Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen wrote: On Friday 05 August 2005 03:40, Brian D. Harring wrote: On Thu, Aug 04, 2005 at 05:31:43PM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: It's not an overnight thing, glep19 (stable portage tree) addresses a chunk of concerns

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: where goes Gentoo?

2005-08-05 Thread Lance Albertson
Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen wrote: On Friday 05 August 2005 11:07, Brian Harring wrote: Might be better stating what's needed... A) people know what they're inadvertantly getting themselves into http://dev.gentoo.org/~jaervosz/glep19.html B) something might be bloody simple to somebody,

RE: [gentoo-dev] Re: where goes Gentoo?

2005-08-04 Thread Eric Brown
Interesting thread. I have used Gentoo in enterprise situations very successfully, and I think the whole QA/live-tree argument is moot. In an enterprise environment, you might have a backup/testing machine to run your updates on first before they went live. You also wouldn't run new packages

RE: [gentoo-dev] Re: where goes Gentoo?

2005-08-04 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 09:04 -0400, Eric Brown wrote: Interesting thread. I have used Gentoo in enterprise situations very successfully, and I think the whole QA/live-tree argument is moot. In an enterprise environment, you might have a backup/testing machine to run your updates on first

RE: [gentoo-dev] Re: where goes Gentoo?

2005-08-04 Thread Eric Brown
On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 09:04 -0400, Eric Brown wrote: Interesting thread. I have used Gentoo in enterprise situations very successfully, and I think the whole QA/live-tree argument is moot. In an enterprise environment, you might have a backup/testing machine to run your updates on first

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: where goes Gentoo?

2005-08-04 Thread Philip Webb
050804 Chris Gianelloni wrote: -- long interesting account of life in the enterprise snipped -- I want to see Gentoo as an enterprise-capable distribution myself, but I also understand that it is a long, hard road ahead of us and there will still be things we cannot provide as a community

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: where goes Gentoo?

2005-08-04 Thread Brian D. Harring
Long one kiddies... responses inlined, bit more interested in discussion of what's required/desired then your definition of enterprise sucks... (throws on the flamesuit)... On Thu, Aug 04, 2005 at 02:35:08PM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 11:48 -0400, Eric Brown wrote:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: where goes Gentoo?

2005-08-04 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 14:37 -0500, Brian D. Harring wrote: Elaborate on what you explicitly want out of portage please- the domain concept (aside from being useful design wise) *should* allow groupping of boxes (groupping of domains really) behind it, so you can effectively have a set of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: where goes Gentoo?

2005-08-04 Thread Brian D. Harring
On Thu, Aug 04, 2005 at 05:31:43PM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: The only things I could see being needed out of portage itself is the ability to control emerge commands remotely, such as forcing an update of apache to $version to resolve a vulnerability. The requirements of portage, or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: where goes Gentoo?

2005-08-03 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 13:55 +0200, Sven Köhler wrote: In my humble opinion, Gentoo is missing too many points to be an enterprise Linux. We commit to a live tree. We don't have true QA, testing or tinderbox. We don't have paid staff, alpha/beta/rc cycles. We don't really have product

[gentoo-dev] Re: where goes Gentoo?

2005-08-03 Thread Duncan
Chris Gianelloni posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:39:07 -0400: Administrating a Gentoo system takes time - much time, but ... This is something that I think most people forget. Running Gentoo makes you a Linux Systems Administrator. Sure, you're only being

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: where goes Gentoo?

2005-08-03 Thread River Yan
I think it's value is that gentoo is for the developers. : )-- Riverfor [A chinese, a gentoo user, a programmer]

[gentoo-dev] Re: where goes Gentoo?

2005-08-03 Thread Sven Köhler
In my humble opinion, Gentoo is missing too many points to be an enterprise Linux. We commit to a live tree. We don't have true QA, testing or tinderbox. We don't have paid staff, alpha/beta/rc cycles. We don't really have product lifecycles, since we don't generally backport fixes to older