Re: [gentoo-dev] List of User projects
diffball (the basis of y'alls delta compression for tarball snapshots, progenitor of tarsync used by emerge-*webrsync, etc). Thank you Brian for that pkg, its appreciated. My apologies if the rest is a little less kind. ps. I would like the packages to be specifically for gentoo, but there are exceptions to this. as an example openrc (and even paludis to a degree). If you think that there is a package not specifically targetting gentoo that deserves a mention please make it clear why. I'm a bit torn by this proposal; on the one hand, a shout out is nice- from a career angle it certainly would've been useful for getting some attention/exposure when I first was starting out. Not really my aim. Im not planning on listing ppl, just there work. Might not even put a url pointing to it. That said, it has some issues with it: * it'll wind up being a fairly subjective list leading to some debates nobody really wants to be involved in (nice euphemism for flamewars). Well I suppose it would be my project, therefore I would make the call. ppl can flame all they like really. Personally I don't find them a very good way to communicate, would probably miss what they were flaming about anyway. *) the criteria seems to be external projects that are gentoo specific, aparently by non-devs/ex-devs. This raises some questions as to what happens for when it's created by a dev externally (pkgcore went external a long while before I became an exdev), and what happens when the author becomes a dev (I'll be getting my gentoo-x86 +w back soon enough). Firstly that is very good news. Currently I am taking this from Mon, 29 March 19:42 NZ DST. So pkgcore is external, and you are a community member so your in the list. I don't want to bring a whole pile of history into it. Will pkgcore have its own gentoo project, or be considered as part of a gentoo project? Im guessing not anyway. I'm quite happy to consider the corner cases, and will probably include a vast majority of them. Initially I don't even believe I will have a fully complete list of all the projects the fit nicely into my criteria. Thats why you have one of those nice statements that says. While we have attempted to list all package/projects etc we are sure we have missed some, please contact .. if you believe we have missed something blah de blah blah *) PMS was started outside of gentoo, and maintained outside gentoo for a long while. Now it's a gentoo project. A shout out there would've been warranted (spec work isn't exactly sexy, regardless of any extra baggage that came w/ PMS), but at what point does it suddenly fall off this list? Isn't this a bit too bikesheddy. If someone, from now, were to create a project and then have it added to the list before they become a dev then good on them. The project would not be removed. Even if it died. In fact the list would never be cleaned. It may be updated to represent the state of the project, but that project would be there for as long as the page was. (and probably longer the way ppl index the interwebs). *) kind of the packagekit connundrum- at least for pkgcore/paludis, they were written to support multiple distros/formats internally. Yes they've got traction w/in gentoo, but at what point is it no longer a gentoo specific thing, and more of a it gained it's first traction in gentoo ? Openrc I'd argue is in the same boat- yes it can be used elsewhere, but right now we're the owns extracting the most benefit from it. Well I would suggest that a major part of the functionality of both those pkg's are directed towards supporting gentoo. Even if both supported 5-10 completely different distro's that did not resemble gentoo in the slightest I would still put them on the list. Compare this with kmyfirewall that had a single dialog that allowed to be set gentoo specfic executable paths which would not be on the list. *) it slights the tools that started w/in gentoo's vcs; consider scanelf . Very useful tool deserving some credit, but it would be exempted under these rules. Life ain't always perfect. And that goes both ways. This isn't a list to thank developers for their effort, make another thread if you want that. It also doesn't slight that project in the slightest. Instead, if the purpose is a thanks, why not every once in a while put up a news item discussing the tools in question? Such an approach allows folk to focus in on whatever is useful/interesting (regardless of origination) and give the same 'thanks' angle and public exposure for the author in question. Well I was considering this as well. But first before we do this we would need to actually know what packages there are. Therefore this thread. Unless we do all packages from a to z. - Alistair ps. I must say that its a little sad that so far there has been much more effort put into nitpicking than
Re: [gentoo-dev] List of User projects
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 08:31:32PM +1300, Alistair Bush wrote: I'm quite happy to consider the corner cases, and will probably include a vast majority of them. Initially I don't even believe I will have a fully complete list of all the projects the fit nicely into my criteria. Thats why you have one of those nice statements that says. catalyst, genkernel, hwdata, livecd-tools were originally in-house, just like the parts of baselayout that became openrc, but have moved outside. I maintain some interesting/useful scripts: http://dev.gentoo.org/~robbat2/scripts/ - earch - perl-bump complex conf.d/net configurations: http://dev.gentoo.org/~robbat2/conf.d-net/ I wrote genflags: http://dev.gentoo.org/~robbat2/genflags/ It's now mostly dead, good only for historical research. Managed Portage, taking stacked profiles to their extreme: http://dev.gentoo.org/~robbat2/managed-portage-0.01.tar.bz2 Unfortunately my patchsets and documentation for using Gentoo on SGI Visual Workstation 320 (visws320) and the XXS1500 MIPS system are very out of date. -- Robin Hugh Johnson Gentoo Linux: Developer, Trustee Infrastructure Lead E-Mail : robb...@gentoo.org GnuPG FP : 11AC BA4F 4778 E3F6 E4ED F38E B27B 944E 3488 4E85
Re: [gentoo-dev] List of User projects
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 08:31:32PM +1300, Alistair Bush wrote: ps. I would like the packages to be specifically for gentoo, but there are exceptions to this. as an example openrc (and even paludis to a degree). If you think that there is a package not specifically targetting gentoo that deserves a mention please make it clear why. I'm a bit torn by this proposal; on the one hand, a shout out is nice- from a career angle it certainly would've been useful for getting some attention/exposure when I first was starting out. Not really my aim. Im not planning on listing ppl, just there work. Might not even put a url pointing to it. Ok, that clarifies things a bit- I initially misinterpreted your proposal as more then an external contributors list. Currently I am taking this from Mon, 29 March 19:42 NZ DST. So pkgcore is external, and you are a community member so your in the list. I don't want to bring a whole pile of history into it. Will pkgcore have its own gentoo project, or be considered as part of a gentoo project? Im guessing not anyway. Honestly hadn't thought about pkgcore's status in reference to my regaining +w, so I'd assume it'll remain status quo- externally hosted. ps. I must say that its a little sad that so far there has been much more effort put into nitpicking than actually populating the list (working towards the goal). Which sums up gentoo pretty much. So lets highlight this part a little more Note I'm generally overly specific, intent isn't to rip your proposal to tiny little shreds - I actually like the idea, it just didn't seem clear if the idea was to focus was on interesting packages and what they do (regardless of dev/non-dev origin) or if your intent was to focus on non-dev contributions. I'm *personally* more interested in the former (I like reading about cool projects, regardless of who created it), but your intent seems more the latter, which is fair enough since you'll be the one doing the work. additions to your list: * porthole (Brian Dolbec) * cfg-update (nfc who wrote it, but it was at least at one point a reasonably common alternative to etc-update) * deltup: John J. Whitney, the infra. is maintained on gentooexperimental by blackace. Notable mainly since it's the only working delta compression setup for distfiles.. still active last I knew, also. Those are just a couple of the portage ones I can think of at this hour- will update w/ more as I get time cheers- ~harring pgpavmU1mDXx5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] List of User projects
On 29 March 2010 09:31, Alistair Bush ali_b...@gentoo.org wrote: ps. I must say that its a little sad that so far there has been much more effort put into nitpicking than actually populating the list (working towards the goal). The problem is that it isn't very clear what exactly the goal is, and what the criteria for inclusion are. Once you clarify the goal and the criteria and ask for which packages should be included on that basis, I think you'll get the answers you're looking for. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux Qt project lead developer
Re: [gentoo-dev] List of User projects
René 'Necoro' Neumann wrote: Am 28.03.2010 10:30, schrieb Luis Francisco Araujo: himerge Hey :P - you are a gentoo dev :P I think probably most of the app-portage category falls in here (as portage is the only gentoo-specific thing one can develop stuff for): eix, etc-proposals, gpytage, ... But himerge is not an official Gentoo project. So I guess it falls into the category of user developed projects :P -- Luis F. Araujo araujo at gentoo.org Gentoo Linux
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 28.03.2010 10:30, schrieb Luis Francisco Araujo: himerge Hey :P - you are a gentoo dev :P I think probably most of the app-portage category falls in here (as portage is the only gentoo-specific thing one can develop stuff for): eix, etc-proposals, gpytage, ... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuvNxQACgkQ4UOg/zhYFuDVrACggJd2nxgymQxuYOyDtIPJyFlu doEAniynVE38AiCakLw2ASAGaGxHmuMb =O7Dv -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] List of User projects
Skip to the end for a counterproposal... On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 05:13:14PM +1300, Alistair Bush wrote: I was just thinking how nice it could be if we acknowledged some of the projects that contribute to gentoo but are actually developed primarily outside of gentoo's dev community. How about a page on gentoo.org So lets me start with a couple of obvious ones. kportagetray pkgcore paludis There must be more than these or else gentoo really is dead. diffball (the basis of y'alls delta compression for tarball snapshots, progenitor of tarsync used by emerge-*webrsync, etc). ps. I would like the packages to be specifically for gentoo, but there are exceptions to this. as an example openrc (and even paludis to a degree). If you think that there is a package not specifically targetting gentoo that deserves a mention please make it clear why. I'm a bit torn by this proposal; on the one hand, a shout out is nice- from a career angle it certainly would've been useful for getting some attention/exposure when I first was starting out. That said, it has some issues with it: * it'll wind up being a fairly subjective list leading to some debates nobody really wants to be involved in (nice euphemism for flamewars). *) the criteria seems to be external projects that are gentoo specific, aparently by non-devs/ex-devs. This raises some questions as to what happens for when it's created by a dev externally (pkgcore went external a long while before I became an exdev), and what happens when the author becomes a dev (I'll be getting my gentoo-x86 +w back soon enough). *) PMS was started outside of gentoo, and maintained outside gentoo for a long while. Now it's a gentoo project. A shout out there would've been warranted (spec work isn't exactly sexy, regardless of any extra baggage that came w/ PMS), but at what point does it suddenly fall off this list? *) kind of the packagekit connundrum- at least for pkgcore/paludis, they were written to support multiple distros/formats internally. Yes they've got traction w/in gentoo, but at what point is it no longer a gentoo specific thing, and more of a it gained it's first traction in gentoo ? Openrc I'd argue is in the same boat- yes it can be used elsewhere, but right now we're the owns extracting the most benefit from it. *) it slights the tools that started w/in gentoo's vcs; consider scanelf . Very useful tool deserving some credit, but it would be exempted under these rules. Instead, if the purpose is a thanks, why not every once in a while put up a news item discussing the tools in question? Such an approach allows folk to focus in on whatever is useful/interesting (regardless of origination) and give the same 'thanks' angle and public exposure for the author in question. Note also it'd likely be interesting to read. ~harring pgpZ3InxW96vL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] List of User projects
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 28.03.2010 21:04, schrieb Brian Harring: Instead, if the purpose is a thanks, why not every once in a while put up a news item discussing the tools in question? Such an approach allows folk to focus in on whatever is useful/interesting (regardless of origination) and give the same 'thanks' angle and public exposure for the author in question. Like the Gentoo Weekly/Monthly Newsletter (R.I.P.)? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuvtxgACgkQ4UOg/zhYFuDboQCaA7GzM15HcwYodI2J6CSio4iP +ukAnirlDoDkxwY2G+0ivxv3NneGGCjI =7fo7 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] List of User projects
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:07:52PM +0200, Rennn 'Necoro' Neumann wrote: Am 28.03.2010 21:04, schrieb Brian Harring: Instead, if the purpose is a thanks, why not every once in a while put up a news item discussing the tools in question? Such an approach allows folk to focus in on whatever is useful/interesting (regardless of origination) and give the same 'thanks' angle and public exposure for the author in question. Like the Gentoo Weekly/Monthly Newsletter (R.I.P.)? Pretty much the notion, although I'd avoid the monthly angle- that seems to be the downfall of GWN and kin. ~harring pgpXw9gV0xx5S.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] List of User projects
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:09:07 -0700 Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:07:52PM +0200, Rennn 'Necoro' Neumann wrote: Am 28.03.2010 21:04, schrieb Brian Harring: Instead, if the purpose is a thanks, why not every once in a while put up a news item discussing the tools in question? Such an approach allows folk to focus in on whatever is useful/interesting (regardless of origination) and give the same 'thanks' angle and public exposure for the author in question. Like the Gentoo Weekly/Monthly Newsletter (R.I.P.)? Pretty much the notion, although I'd avoid the monthly angle- that seems to be the downfall of GWN and kin. ~harring I still try to put up articles of interest whenever someone sends 'em to PR's way, or when I find out there's some interesting use of Gentoo out there. The Misa guitar comes to mind. But covering each and every little bit of software written for Gentoo is too much work for one guy, or even a folks. 'Specially since they so often go defunct after a very short time -- I'm thinking of all the Portage frontends in particular. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
