Re: [gentoo-dev] Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-03 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2005-05-03 at 04:53 -0400, Aaron Walker wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > How long are all those non-cascaded profiles going to stick around? They > > make profile changes a mess for anyone who wants to do something crazy > > like chang

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-03 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Tuesday 03 May 2005 17:53, Aaron Walker wrote: > Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > How long are all those non-cascaded profiles going to stick around? They > > make profile changes a mess for anyone who wants to do something crazy > > like change default USE flags for everyone. (Who would ever need to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-03 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 03 May 2005 03:05 am, Stuart Longland wrote: > Jan Kundrát wrote: > > Stuart Longland wrote: > >>Anyway, wouldn't security updates include the core system, rather than > >>just things like Apache? > > > > Security updates are updates which are fixing *security* problems. > > Upgrading gl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-03 Thread Aaron Walker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Donnie Berkholz wrote: > How long are all those non-cascaded profiles going to stick around? They > make profile changes a mess for anyone who wants to do something crazy > like change default USE flags for everyone. (Who would ever need to do > that?!

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-03 Thread Stuart Longland
Jan KundrÃt wrote: > Stuart Longland wrote: > >>Anyway, wouldn't security updates include the core system, rather than >>just things like Apache? > > > Security updates are updates which are fixing *security* problems. > Upgrading glibc is not a security update, IMHO :-). > Yep... 100% agree..

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-02 Thread Jan Kundrát
Stuart Longland wrote: > Anyway, wouldn't security updates include the core system, rather than > just things like Apache? Security updates are updates which are fixing *security* problems. Upgrading glibc is not a security update, IMHO :-). -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth sig

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-02 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Monday 02 May 2005 08:45 pm, Alec Warner wrote: > >>The only dish I have is what if a new profile doesn't support what they >>are attempting to do? If something is profile masked ( gcc fex ) there >>is no way currently for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-02 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 02 May 2005 08:45 pm, Alec Warner wrote: > The only dish I have is what if a new profile doesn't support what they > are attempting to do? If something is profile masked ( gcc fex ) there > is no way currently for a user to unmask it, even in /etc/portage. yes there is, you just didnt r

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-02 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The only dish I have is what if a new profile doesn't support what they are attempting to do? If something is profile masked ( gcc fex ) there is no way currently for a user to unmask it, even in /etc/portage. In the end they just might symlink make.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-02 Thread Stuart Longland
Jan KundrÃt wrote: > Stephen P. Becker wrote: > > > Removing old profiles will do nothing other than forcing them to set a > > new profile. Changing the profile won't stop people from doing security > > only updates. > > Okay, as long as "changing the profile" won't affect people *much* (I > mea

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-02 Thread Jan Kundrát
Stephen P. Becker wrote: > This is really getting into a whole different > discussion altogether about having a security update only tree, but > there has been talk of this a few times before...search the mailing list > archives. Yep, of course I know; I wasn't asking for "stable" tree. > Removin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-02 Thread Stephen P. Becker
> What is bad about doing *only* `emerge --sync` and security updates? Nothing, however if they have been doing security only updates, I think that their install won't be *too* far behind the stable tree. Besides, at some point old ebuilds are completely removed from portage anyway, and therefore

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-02 Thread Jan Kundrát
Stephen P. Becker wrote: > Portage should have been warning such users about using a deprecated > profile for some time now. So, they should have updated to a new > profile by now. Surely most people have synced portage sometime recently > and done an emerge -uD world. If somebody is using a port

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-02 Thread Stephen P. Becker
> What would happen to users having *really* old version of Gentoo, say > something from end of 2003? Is there an easy way to upgrade? > > TIA, > -jkt > Portage should have been warning such users about using a deprecated profile for some time now. So, they should have updated to a new profile

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-02 Thread Jan Kundrát
Stuart Longland wrote: > I'd certainly welcome a cleanup here... clean out the dead wood. ;-) What would happen to users having *really* old version of Gentoo, say something from end of 2003? Is there an easy way to upgrade? TIA, -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth signature.asc D

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-02 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sun, 2005-05-01 at 13:11 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > They > > make profile changes a mess for anyone who wants to do something crazy > > like change default USE flags for everyone. > > it's simple, dont bother touching the non-cascaded version. no one said you > had to :P Agreed. I do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-01 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 01 May 2005 06:17 am, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > How long are all those non-cascaded profiles going to stick around? each arch manager is responsible for their own profiles all of the x86 ones have been pruned except for default-x86-2004.2 which we will keep for a while since there isnt

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-01 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sun, 2005-05-01 at 03:17 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > How long are all those non-cascaded profiles going to stick around? There exists 48 deprecated profiles in the tree. I've wondered about this myself about when is a good time to flush

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-01 Thread Stuart Longland
Donnie Berkholz wrote: How long are all those non-cascaded profiles going to stick around? They make profile changes a mess for anyone who wants to do something crazy like change default USE flags for everyone. (Who would ever need to do that?!?!) I was just thinking this myself. Are there any use

[gentoo-dev] Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-01 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 How long are all those non-cascaded profiles going to stick around? They make profile changes a mess for anyone who wants to do something crazy like change default USE flags for everyone. (Who would ever need to do that?!?!) Thanks, Donnie -BEGIN