Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

On 09/18/2011 07:20 AM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > What other meanings could it have? What would be the problem with > moving the package use flag masks from package.use.mask to package.mask? As Ciaran said, these two kinds of masks give two very different behaviors that are not interchan

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > As we're talking about updating profiles EAPI, what do we need to get > to be able to mask use flags for the stable tree, but not the testing > tree? What's wrong with versioned masking of use-flags? The fact that they have to b

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On Sep 18, 2011 12:05 PM, "Ciaran McCreesh" wrote: > On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:20:34 + > "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" wrote: > > As we're talking about updating profiles EAPI, what do we need to get > > to be able to mask use flags for the stable tree, but not the testing > > tree? > > Every tim

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:20:34 + "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" wrote: > > For example, people might think they can start masking > > cat/pkg[flag]. Is this a replacement for package.use.mask or does > > it mean something else? I have a sneaking suspi

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On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:47:14 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > > For example, people might think they can start masking > > cat/pkg[flag]. Is this a replacement for package.use.mask or does > > it mean something else? I have a sneaking suspicion that if there's > > not a policy saying "no use deps in pr

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On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 10:33:32 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:54:56 +0530 > Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > > I don't see any features in EAPI 3 and 4 that are useful for the > > profiles. However, a bump to EAPI 2 (or at least 1) would be > > *extremely* beneficial, and cause muc

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18-09-2011 09:33, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:54:56 +0530 Nirbheek Chauhan > wrote: >> I don't see any features in EAPI 3 and 4 that are useful for the >> profiles. However, a bump to EAPI 2 (or at least 1) would be >> *extrem

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Thomas Sachau schrieb: > Tomáš Chvátal schrieb: >> Start collecting ideas for EAPI5. > > 1) USE-flag based support to cross-compile packages (mostly implemented in > multilib-portage) let me extend this a bit, first the reasoning behind it: For amd64 users, there is sometimes the issue, that t

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On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:54:56 +0530 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > I don't see any features in EAPI 3 and 4 that are useful for the > profiles. However, a bump to EAPI 2 (or at least 1) would be > *extremely* beneficial, and cause much less chaos. > > Speaking with my GNOME hat, it will be *extremely*

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On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Zac Medico wrote: > On 09/17/2011 08:47 PM, Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> On 14:06 Fri 16 Sep     , Zac Medico wrote: >>> Bumping the EAPI of the root profiles/eapi file would be a different >>> matter, since it applies to the whole repository. If you want to >>> vers

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> On Sat, 17 Sep 2011, Zac Medico wrote: >> So in your opinion, it would be fine to bump profiles/eapi to >> EAPI=4 now? > Yes, it's feasible. As a consequence, we may get some complaints > from users who haven't upgraded during the last six months.

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On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:26:57PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: > On 09/17/2011 08:47 PM, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > On 14:06 Fri 16 Sep , Zac Medico wrote: > >> Bumping the EAPI of the root profiles/eapi file would be a different > >> matter, since it applies to the whole repository. If you want

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On 09/17/2011 08:47 PM, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > On 14:06 Fri 16 Sep , Zac Medico wrote: >> Bumping the EAPI of the root profiles/eapi file would be a different >> matter, since it applies to the whole repository. If you want to >> version bump that repository-level EAPI, then you need to wai

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On 14:06 Fri 16 Sep , Zac Medico wrote: > Bumping the EAPI of the root profiles/eapi file would be a different > matter, since it applies to the whole repository. If you want to > version bump that repository-level EAPI, then you need to wait until > at least 6 months after supporting packag

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On 09/15/2011 05:20 PM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > 2011-09-16 01:54:44 Brian Harring napisał(a): >> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 01:21:55AM +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar >> Arahesis wrote: >>> 2011-09-15 09:55:08 Ciaran McCreesh napisał(a): On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:35:21 +0200

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2011-09-16 01:54:44 Brian Harring napisał(a): > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 01:21:55AM +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis > wrote: > > 2011-09-15 09:55:08 Ciaran McCreesh napisał(a): > > > On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:35:21 +0200 > > > Michał Górny wrote: > > > > Could you point me to at least a si

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On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 01:21:55AM +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > 2011-09-15 09:55:08 Ciaran McCreesh napisał(a): > > On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:35:21 +0200 > > Michał Górny wrote: > > > Could you point me to at least a single program not supporting dots > > > in useflags? My qui

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2011-09-15 09:55:08 Ciaran McCreesh napisał(a): > On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:35:21 +0200 > Michał Górny wrote: > > Could you point me to at least a single program not supporting dots > > in useflags? My quick check shows that all PMs handle them well, quse > > and euse as well. > > Hrm, it's rather d

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On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 09:35:21AM +0200, Micha?? G??rny wrote: > On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 23:53:50 +0100 > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 18:47:17 -0400 > > "Aaron W. Swenson" wrote: > > > I second the allowing dots in USE flag names. Definitely would be > > > helpful for declaring

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On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:01:56 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:55:08 +0100 > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:35:21 +0200 > > Michał Górny wrote: > > > Could you point me to at least a single program not supporting > > > dots in useflags? My quick check shows th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:55:08 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:35:21 +0200 > Michał Górny wrote: > > Could you point me to at least a single program not supporting dots > > in useflags? My quick check shows that all PMs handle them well, > > quse and euse as well. > > Hrm, i

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On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:35:21 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > Could you point me to at least a single program not supporting dots > in useflags? My quick check shows that all PMs handle them well, quse > and euse as well. Hrm, it's rather disappointing that they're accepted everywhere. That really sho

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 23:53:50 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 18:47:17 -0400 > "Aaron W. Swenson" wrote: > > I second the allowing dots in USE flag names. Definitely would be > > helpful for declaring version related USE flags. > > You know you won't be able to mention such fla

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On Thursday, September 08, 2011 14:10:23 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > 2011-09-08 19:03:56 Thomas Sachau napisał(a): > > Tomáš Chvátal schrieb: > > > Start collecting ideas for EAPI5. > > > > 2) USE-flag based support to install for different slots (e.g. python, > > ruby or php) >

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On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 19:33:03 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 20:35:48 +0200 > Michał Górny wrote: > > PM needs to provide us with a nice ability to handle all that. > > I've yet to see a complete, detailed, accurate description of what > "all that" really is. It's a bit hard to

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On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 20:35:48 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > PM needs to provide us with a nice ability to handle all that. I've yet to see a complete, detailed, accurate description of what "all that" really is. It's a bit hard to come up with an EAPI solution when we don't know what the problem is.

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On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 20:10:23 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > 2011-09-08 19:03:56 Thomas Sachau napisał(a): > > Tomáš Chvátal schrieb: > > > Start collecting ideas for EAPI5. > > > > 2) USE-flag based support to install for different slots (e.g. > > python, ruby or php) > > > >

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2011-09-08 19:03:56 Thomas Sachau napisał(a): > Tomáš Chvátal schrieb: > > Start collecting ideas for EAPI5. > > 2) USE-flag based support to install for different slots (e.g. python, ruby > or php) > > The second one is already done in some eclasses, afaik php and ruby, but it > might be a goo

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On Thu, 08 Sep 2011 19:03:56 +0200, Thomas Sachau wrote: Tomáš Chvátal schrieb: Start collecting ideas for EAPI5. 2) USE-flag based support to install for different slots (e.g. python, ruby or php) The second one is already done in some eclasses, afaik php and ruby, but it might be a g

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On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Thomas Sachau wrote: > Tomáš Chvátal schrieb: >> Start collecting ideas for EAPI5. > > 1) USE-flag based support to cross-compile packages (mostly implemented in > multilib-portage) > 2) USE-flag based support to install for different slots (e.g. python, ruby > o

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Tomáš Chvátal schrieb: > Start collecting ideas for EAPI5. 1) USE-flag based support to cross-compile packages (mostly implemented in multilib-portage) 2) USE-flag based support to install for different slots (e.g. python, ruby or php) 3) (internal) USE-flag based support to re-install packages

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On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 11:53:50PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 18:47:17 -0400 > "Aaron W. Swenson" wrote: > > I second the allowing dots in USE flag names. Definitely would be > > helpful for declaring version related USE

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 18:47:17 -0400 "Aaron W. Swenson" wrote: > I second the allowing dots in USE flag names. Definitely would be > helpful for declaring version related USE flags. You know you won't be able to mention such flags in the base profile,

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/07/2011 11:48 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 11:07:21 +0200 Tomáš Chvátal > wrote: > >> Start collecting ideas for EAPI5. > > I'd highlight the following bugs: > > 311795 - [Future EAPI] Allow dots in USE flag names 373377 - >

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On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 11:07:21 +0200 Tomáš Chvátal wrote: > Start collecting ideas for EAPI5. http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-pms/msg_dfef93f8d6bc6684d4dc9793563b4fdf.xml was my list. There are also various bits of lousy wording in PMS that I'd like to get cleared up over an EAPI (such as what ex

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On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 11:07:21 +0200 Tomáš Chvátal wrote: > Start collecting ideas for EAPI5. I'd highlight the following bugs: 311795 - [Future EAPI] Allow dots in USE flag names 373377 - [Future EAPI] Remove IMAGE (deprecated already) -- Best regards, Michał Górny signature.asc Description:

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On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 16:27:01 +0200 Tomáš Chvátal wrote: > Well the patches code is in base eclass. Then you should first consider moving epatch to PMS. I'd honestly prefer going the other way. > For Recommended it works like this: > blabla.spec > Recommended: xf86-video-ati > > zypper in blabla

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2011/9/7 Ulrich Mueller : >> On Wed, 7 Sep 2011, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: > >> Start collecting ideas for EAPI5. > > I suggest that EAPI 5 should include the two features that have been > omitted from EAPI 4 [1,2]. > > Apart from this, I think we should be more careful for the next EAPI, > in order

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> On Wed, 7 Sep 2011, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: > Start collecting ideas for EAPI5. I suggest that EAPI 5 should include the two features that have been omitted from EAPI 4 [1,2]. Apart from this, I think we should be more careful for the next EAPI, in order to avoid such long delays as we had wi

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Ack.. both makes definitely sense. > -- Přeposlaná zpráva -- > Od: Tomáš Chvátal > Datum: 5. září 2011 18:08 > Předmět: Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 > council meeting > Komu: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org > > > Start collecting ideas for EAPI5. > >

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Resending as i sent it from gmail instead of google acc so it didn't hit the list. -- Přeposlaná zpráva -- Od: Tomáš Chvátal Datum: 5. září 2011 18:08 Předmět: Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting Komu: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Start coll