Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-07-16 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Thursday 15 June 2006 20:17, Marcus D. Hanwell wrote: > > I have to agree that I have never understood the need for the distinction > between herd and team. It does not seem to add anything, I guess some > people do not like being referred to as a herd may be? It really doesn't > bother me. I th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-07-13 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Thursday 15 June 2006 12:34, Jakub Moc wrote: > Marcus D. Hanwell wrote: > > I don't know if this is a really unpopular viewpoint, but for a lot of > > stuff I maintain I put myself as maintainer and the herd I am acting as > > part of in herd. My intention there is to say primarily I am taking

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-07-13 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Thursday 15 June 2006 08:59, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Thursday 15 June 2006 02:33, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > > We could require that a herd mail alias be maintained for every herd, > > with the same name as the herd, such that the herd alias lists the > > maintainers of all packages in the herd.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-17 Thread Christel Dahlskjaer
On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 14:00 +, Ferris McCormick wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sat, 17 Jun 2006, Carsten Lohrke wrote: > > > On Saturday 17 June 2006 04:51, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > >> How exactly does one go about maintaining our developers? ;) > > > > It

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-17 Thread Ferris McCormick
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 17 Jun 2006, Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Saturday 17 June 2006 04:51, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: How exactly does one go about maintaining our developers? ;) It's devrel's cursed job. Ask them. :) Carsten Um, whips and chains. But we'r

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-17 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Saturday 17 June 2006 04:51, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > How exactly does one go about maintaining our developers? ;) It's devrel's cursed job. Ask them. :) Carsten pgpDHDEmEDUMI.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-17 Thread Christel Dahlskjaer
On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 12:55 +0200, Jan Kundrát wrote: > Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 00:26 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote: > >> Alec Warner wrote: > >>> So apparently they suck, anyone have a new shiny idea on how to group > >>> packages and maintaining developers? > > > > Ho

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-17 Thread Jan Kundrát
Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 00:26 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote: >> Alec Warner wrote: >>> So apparently they suck, anyone have a new shiny idea on how to group >>> packages and maintaining developers? > > How exactly does one go about maintaining our developers? ;) "develop

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-16 Thread Kumba
Alec Warner wrote: So apparently they suck, anyone have a new shiny idea on how to group packages and maintaining developers? Sure -- take the current herds implementation, and rename it to 'gaggle'! Then we can call things the base-system gaggle, the toolchain gaggle, etc... Even metadata.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-16 Thread Christel Dahlskjaer
On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 00:26 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote: > Alec Warner wrote: > > So apparently they suck, anyone have a new shiny idea on how to group > > packages and maintaining developers? How exactly does one go about maintaining our developers? ;) > I suggest we create a murder of develope

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 15 June 2006 14:17, Marcus D. Hanwell wrote: > > I don't see why it matters so much... agreed -mike pgpEISahsw3VX.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 22:01 +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:22:31 -0400 > Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I would much > > rather see something like sunrise (but not necessarily sunrise > > itself) used to put packages which are no longer maintained, but wer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:22:31 -0400 Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would much > rather see something like sunrise (but not necessarily sunrise > itself) used to put packages which are no longer maintained, but were > once in the tree. sunset.overlays.g.o :) -- Kevin F. Quinn s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 20:43 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote: > And again, what's this distinction good for? Well, it's useless unless > you are trying to enforce something like what you've suggested here > before, i.e. > > > I see nothing wrong with listing perl as the herd, *only* if > they have themselv

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Jakub Moc
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 17:43 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote: >>> Say it with me. >>> >>> Herd == packages >>> Team == people >> There's no such thing like in metadata.xml, that's what we've >> been talking about for ~1 day now. > > Maybe it's what you erroneously have been trying

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Marcus D. Hanwell
On Thursday 15 June 2006 14:56, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:31:41 -0400 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > | So apparently they suck, anyone have a new shiny idea on how to group > | packages and maintaining developers? > > Herds the way they operate in practice are fi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread sanchan
> On Thursday 15 June 2006 00:31, Alec Warner wrote: > So apparently they suck, anyone have a new shiny idea on how to group > packages and maintaining developers? As Mike says: > they work just fine for me -- Sandro (sanchan) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Lance Albertson
Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Thursday 15 June 2006 09:04, George Prowse wrote: >> On 15/06/06, Kevin F. Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:31:41 -0400 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So apparently they suck, anyone have a new shiny idea on how to group packag

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 17:43 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote: > > Say it with me. > > > > Herd == packages > > Team == people > > There's no such thing like in metadata.xml, that's what we've > been talking about for ~1 day now. Maybe it's what you erroneously have been trying to say that I've been sayin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Jakub Moc
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > *sigh* Indeed... > No. You've gone and changed the practices we have in place now to make > it more complicated. No, I didn't. If games herd wants any game dumped onto games herd, then do it. Most other people probably don't want unknown stuff dumped on them. > Say

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 15 June 2006 09:04, George Prowse wrote: > On 15/06/06, Kevin F. Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:31:41 -0400 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So apparently they suck, anyone have a new shiny idea on how to group > > > packages and maintaining deve

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:31:41 -0400 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | So apparently they suck, anyone have a new shiny idea on how to group | packages and maintaining developers? Herds the way they operate in practice are fine. The issue is the old metastructure definition, which a) encourag

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 12:34 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote: > Marcus D. Hanwell wrote: > > I don't know if this is a really unpopular viewpoint, but for a lot of > > stuff I > > maintain I put myself as maintainer and the herd I am acting as part of in > > herd. My intention there is to say primarily I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 02:59 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Thursday 15 June 2006 02:33, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > > We could require that a herd mail alias be maintained for every herd, > > with the same name as the herd, such that the herd alias lists the > > maintainers of all packages in the he

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread George Prowse
On 15/06/06, Kevin F. Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:31:41 -0400Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> So apparently they suck, anyone have a new shiny idea on how to group> packages and maintaining developers? We could be boring and change "herd" to "packagegroup".--Kevin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Thu, Jun 15, 2006 at 12:34:42PM +0200, Jakub Moc wrote: > :=) If a general consent is (games left apart ;) that is a backup > for cases when maintainer is unavailable/goes MIA, and a primary > maintainer if there's no tag in metadata.xml, let's just > leave it at that, be done with it and save

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 6/15/06, Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So apparently they suck, anyone have a new shiny idea on how to group packages and maintaining developers? Herds are fine ... just seems to be some differing ideas about how they are managed. That's inevitable, given our collective reluctance

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Jakub Moc
Kevin F. Quinn wrote: >> >> - same name as herd requirement doesn't work for stuff like >> cron/mysql/postgresql/apache... i.e., system accounts. > > Herd aliases could be named "herd-", perhaps. Current practice for these aliases is -bugs in most of the cases. Examples - apache-bugs, php-bugs, c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Jakub Moc
Marcus D. Hanwell wrote: > I don't know if this is a really unpopular viewpoint, but for a lot of stuff > I > maintain I put myself as maintainer and the herd I am acting as part of in > herd. My intention there is to say primarily I am taking care of this and > have taken responsibility but if

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:57:21 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Thursday 15 June 2006 02:33, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > >> We could require that a herd mail alias be maintained for every > >> herd, with the same name as the herd, such that the herd alias > >> li

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Marcus D. Hanwell
On Thursday 15 June 2006 10:57, Jakub Moc wrote: > > On Thursday 15 June 2006 02:33, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > >> We could require that a herd mail alias be maintained for every herd, > >> with the same name as the herd, such that the herd alias lists the > >> maintainers of all packages in the herd.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Jakub Moc
Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Thursday 15 June 2006 02:33, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: >> We could require that a herd mail alias be maintained for every herd, >> with the same name as the herd, such that the herd alias lists the >> maintainers of all packages in the herd. > > this would be useful regardle

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-14 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 15 June 2006 02:33, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > We could require that a herd mail alias be maintained for every herd, > with the same name as the herd, such that the herd alias lists the > maintainers of all packages in the herd. this would be useful regardless -mike pgpNaJsppizDH.pgp De

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-14 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:31:41 -0400 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So apparently they suck, anyone have a new shiny idea on how to group > packages and maintaining developers? We could be boring and change "herd" to "packagegroup". We could require that a herd mail alias be maintained f

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-14 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 15 June 2006 00:31, Alec Warner wrote: > So apparently they suck, anyone have a new shiny idea on how to group > packages and maintaining developers? they work just fine for me -mike pgpyOk8hXaUzk.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-14 Thread Lance Albertson
Alec Warner wrote: > So apparently they suck, anyone have a new shiny idea on how to group > packages and maintaining developers? I suggest we create a murder of developers! Then we can be cool and not suck! :-) /me goes back into lurking mode -- Lance Albertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Infra

[gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-14 Thread Alec Warner
So apparently they suck, anyone have a new shiny idea on how to group packages and maintaining developers? -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list