Re: That's all folks. (Re: OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists)

2018-02-11 Thread Matthew Thode
On 17-12-09 16:29:24, Daniel Campbell wrote: > On Fri, Dec 08, 2017 at 09:22:32PM +0100, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > Am Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017, 19:06:36 CET schrieb William L. Thomson > > Jr.: > > > > > > The day everyone wanted has come, after this message. I will > > > unsubscribe not

Re: That's all folks. (Re: OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists)

2017-12-11 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Fri, 08 Dec 2017 21:22:32 +0100 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017, 19:06:36 CET schrieb William L. Thomson Jr.: > > > > The day everyone wanted has come, after this message. I will > > unsubscribe not to return. You all won in 2008, and again in 2017. > > Though this

Re: That's all folks. (Re: OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists)

2017-12-10 Thread kuzetsa
On 12/10/2017 03:21 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > Your attack on me is fully unfounded and completely inappropriate. FYI, > just let me correct a few facts here: --- pruned --- > 3. The agenda item wasn't expressing 'feelings of one developer', as you > know it. It was written by me because I found

Re: That's all folks. (Re: OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists)

2017-12-10 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:31 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > > Well, let's consider the order of events here: > ... > This looks awfully clear to me. >... > I'm not focused on the ban, or whether it was deserved. That's exactly what you've done here. You've connected a bunch of

Re: That's all folks. (Re: OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists)

2017-12-10 Thread R0b0t1
On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 2:21 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > W dniu sob, 09.12.2017 o godzinie 16∶29 -0800, użytkownik Daniel > Campbell napisał: >> On Fri, Dec 08, 2017 at 09:22:32PM +0100, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >> > Am Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017, 19:06:36 CET schrieb William

Re: That's all folks. (Re: OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists)

2017-12-10 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu sob, 09.12.2017 o godzinie 16∶29 -0800, użytkownik Daniel Campbell napisał: > On Fri, Dec 08, 2017 at 09:22:32PM +0100, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > Am Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017, 19:06:36 CET schrieb William L. Thomson > > Jr.: > > > > > > The day everyone wanted has come, after this

Re: That's all folks. (Re: OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists)

2017-12-09 Thread Daniel Campbell
On Sat, Dec 09, 2017 at 08:13:18PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > > > > Other developers are required to subscribe to -dev, and are > > expected to follow it so they stay informed. > > Developers are not required to

Re: That's all folks. (Re: OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists)

2017-12-09 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > > Other developers are required to subscribe to -dev, and are > expected to follow it so they stay informed. Developers are not required to subscribe to -dev. > If they missed something covered on the list, they are

Re: That's all folks. (Re: OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists)

2017-12-09 Thread Daniel Campbell
On Fri, Dec 08, 2017 at 09:22:32PM +0100, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017, 19:06:36 CET schrieb William L. Thomson Jr.: > > > > The day everyone wanted has come, after this message. I will > > unsubscribe not to return. You all won in 2008, and again in 2017. > >

Re: OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-08 Thread R0b0t1
On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 7:57 PM, R0b0t1 wrote: > On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Georg Rudoy <0xd34df...@gmail.com> wrote: >> 2017-12-08 2:43 GMT-05:00 R0b0t1 : >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand >>> wrote: >>> > On

Re: OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-08 Thread R0b0t1
On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Georg Rudoy <0xd34df...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2017-12-08 2:43 GMT-05:00 R0b0t1 : >> >> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand >> wrote: >> > On 12/04/2017 10:36 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: >> >> Sorry last one,

Re: OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-08 Thread Georg Rudoy
2017-12-08 2:43 GMT-05:00 R0b0t1 : > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > > On 12/04/2017 10:36 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > >> Sorry last one, directed to Alec, but all should read. > > > > I hope you really mean that, we've

Re: That's all folks. (Re: OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists)

2017-12-08 Thread Alexander Berntsen
On 08/12/17 21:22, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > Independent of whether William now unsubscribed or not, he's now enjoying a > lengthy (1 year until review) vacation from all Gentoo communication channels. > This seems like a meaningless thing to post at this point. And you might want to

Re: That's all folks. (Re: OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists)

2017-12-08 Thread Gordon Pettey
On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >> >> Independent of whether William now unsubscribed or not, he's now enjoying a >> lengthy (1 year until review) vacation from all Gentoo communication >> channels. >> > > I don't understand two

Re: That's all folks. (Re: OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists)

2017-12-08 Thread Peter Stuge
Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > Independent of whether William now unsubscribed or not, he's now enjoying a > lengthy (1 year until review) vacation from all Gentoo communication channels. > I don't understand two things about Gentoo: 1. style: How can anyone consider "enjoying a vacation" to

That's all folks. (Re: OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists)

2017-12-08 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Donnerstag, 7. Dezember 2017, 19:06:36 CET schrieb William L. Thomson Jr.: > > The day everyone wanted has come, after this message. I will > unsubscribe not to return. You all won in 2008, and again in 2017. > Though this time I will not be back. I tried more than most anyone else > would for

Re: OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-07 Thread R0b0t1
On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > On 12/04/2017 10:36 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: >> Sorry last one, directed to Alec, but all should read. > > I hope you really mean that, we've all heard you complaining about this > too many times already. >

Re: OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-07 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 22:39:04 +0100 Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > On 12/04/2017 10:36 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > Sorry last one, directed to Alec, but all should read. > > I hope you really mean that, we've all heard you complaining about > this too many times

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread R0b0t1
I apologize for replying to only this message, but #1 stood out and I am still catching up. On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:57 PM, kuzetsa wrote: > On 12/04/2017 01:51 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: >> On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:15:32 + >> "M. J. Everitt"

Re: OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
On 12/04/2017 10:36 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > Sorry last one, directed to Alec, but all should read. I hope you really mean that, we've all heard you complaining about this too many times already. -- Kristian Fiskerstrand OpenPGP keyblock reachable at hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net

OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
Sorry last one, directed to Alec, but all should read. On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 16:08:51 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > > You could at least realize being here since 2008. If your not the one > making it better. Maybe do not give others a hard time or creating > more noise.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 14:54:38 -0500 Alec Warner wrote: > > I think you make my point sir; not debase it. You did (and continue > to do) many things, that are in fact > valuable What else may I have done since 08 had things been otherwise? Gentoo's loss. > However, you also

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Mon, 4 Dec 2017, William L Thomson wrote: [quote omitted] Can you keep this out of gentoo-dev, please? You personal reminiscences are very off-topic in this mailing list. Ulrich pgp9lk61Z9Iem.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 2:37 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 14:17:00 -0500 > Alec Warner wrote: > > > > Clearly if Gentoo could be successful if millions of people were > > killed; we would not choose to kill millions of people. > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 14:17:00 -0500 Alec Warner wrote: > > Clearly if Gentoo could be successful if millions of people were > killed; we would not choose to kill millions of people. > Clearly if Gentoo could be successful if dozens of people were > harassed; we would not choose

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:57:16 -0500 kuzetsa wrote: > On 12/04/2017 01:51 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:15:32 + > > "M. J. Everitt" wrote: > > > >> On 04/12/17 00:37, Matt Turner wrote: > >>> A user requested I forward

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 1:51 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:15:32 + > "M. J. Everitt" wrote: > > > On 04/12/17 00:37, Matt Turner wrote: > > > A user requested I forward this information to the mailing list: > > > > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread kuzetsa
On 12/04/2017 01:51 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:15:32 + > "M. J. Everitt" wrote: > >> On 04/12/17 00:37, Matt Turner wrote: >>> A user requested I forward this information to the mailing list: >>> >>>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:15:32 + "M. J. Everitt" wrote: > On 04/12/17 00:37, Matt Turner wrote: > > A user requested I forward this information to the mailing list: > > > > http://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Publication%20Files/16-057_d45c0b4f-fa19-49de-8f1b-4b12fe054fea.pdf > >

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 14∶06 -0800, użytkownik Matt Turner napisał: > On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > The problems of more abusive behavior from some of the mailing list > > members have been reported to ComRel numerous times. After the

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread M. J. Everitt
On 04/12/17 00:37, Matt Turner wrote: > A user requested I forward this information to the mailing list: > > There's been research, on this, and the study by harvard business > school was summarized and discussed by NPR in 2015: > > [ Turns out toxic coworkers are more > than just an annoyance. A

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread kuzetsa
On 12/03/2017 07:51 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Matt Turner wrote: >> With gentoo being a non-profit organization, an alternative way to >> view it could be the trade-off of seeing developers / maintainers / >> staff leave > It isn't just the

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Matt Turner wrote: > > With gentoo being a non-profit organization, an alternative way to > view it could be the trade-off of seeing developers / maintainers / > staff leave It isn't just the risk of leaving, but the risk of them never joining

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Matt Turner
A user requested I forward this information to the mailing list: There's been research, on this, and the study by harvard business school was summarized and discussed by NPR in 2015: [ Turns out toxic coworkers are more than just an annoyance. A new study out of the Harvard Business School warns

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Matt Turner
On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > The problems of more abusive behavior from some of the mailing list > members have been reported to ComRel numerous times. After the failure > of initial enforcement, I'm not aware of ComRel doing anything to solve > the