[gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog - Infra Response; update 2015/11/11, potential impact to 30min rsync cycle

On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 12:12:28 +0100 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Nov 2015, Jason Zaman wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 11:46:19AM +0100, Alexis Ballier wrote: > >> How should one report bugs ? to infra or portage ? > >> From my just rsynced tree, I see

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

Michael Orlitzky wrote: > Once users have the full git repo on their machines, they have two > options. They can update it efficiently with `git pull`, or they can > update it with rsync by using `emerge --sync`. You can even mix the two, I don't think you can mix the two, because how my local

[gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog - Infra Response; update 2015/11/11, potential impact to 30min rsync cycle

Robin H. Johnson posted on Wed, 11 Nov 2015 23:11:48 + as excerpted: > On Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 12:54:06PM +0100, Alexis Ballier wrote: >> It's not perfectly clean but I don't see any problem here: >> ChangeLog-2015 : all ChangeLog from CVS ChangeLog: autogenerated from >> git > FYI, this was

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

On Fri, Nov 06, 2015 at 08:25:53PM -0800, Raymond Jennings wrote: > Isn't the whole anongit.gentoo.org concept designed to allow anonymous, > read-only git to scale indefinitely in the future? > > Are there any plans in the works on how to utilize this domain name? What do you mean plans? It

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

Isn't the whole anongit.gentoo.org concept designed to allow anonymous, read-only git to scale indefinitely in the future? Are there any plans in the works on how to utilize this domain name? On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:33 AM, Alexis Ballier wrote: > On Tue, 3 Nov 2015

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:04:38 +0100 Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: > Matt Turner schrieb: > > The git transition had been 9 years in the making and has massively > > improved Gentoo development. Look at the graph of contributions per > > month:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Dale wrote: >> That is why a link was posted for me to use github instead. I >> do realize and understand that git and github are two different things >> but it seems they can work together as well. It ended up that the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

Matt Turner schrieb: The git transition had been 9 years in the making and has massively improved Gentoo development. Look at the graph of contributions per month: https://www.openhub.net/p/gentoo I'd like to point out that some stuff that has previously been done in a single commit is now

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

On 11/03/2015 04:04 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: > Matt Turner schrieb: >> The git transition had been 9 years in the making and has massively >> improved Gentoo development. Look at the graph of contributions per >> month: https://www.openhub.net/p/gentoo > > I'd like to point out

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 1:43 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > > Tho I get Dale's somewhat confused and now belabored point as well. For > people who don't know how to do git on their own, as clearly he doesn't, > the official signaling of what the stopgap changelog alternatives were >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 2:22 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > Apparently my complaining finally re-triggered some action, so sadly > this looks like the currently best strategy. You could have simply made a simple post pointing out that changelog generation appears to be broken and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: > Matt Turner schrieb: >> >> The git transition had been 9 years in the making and has massively >> improved Gentoo development. Look at the graph of contributions per month: >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

On 11/02/2015 01:27 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: >>> >> I wonder what would happen if we just... dropped a full clone of >> gentoo.git onto the rsync mirrors? >> >> > You find out how many users have limited bandwidth (again) > > Why on earth would you do the most wasteful hybrid strategy when people

[gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

Duncan posted on Tue, 03 Nov 2015 06:43:45 + as excerpted: > Without that, confusion reigned, and blaming the user for confusion in > the absence of official signaling really doesn't help the situation, > either. I originally added, but unfortunately it got lost in the editing and I forgot

[gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

Rich Freeman posted on Mon, 02 Nov 2015 22:17:22 -0500 as excerpted: > Anything in /usr/portage that you can find on github is also on > https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/, which is a Gentoo site. Well... not the metadata in the github repo with pregenerated metadata. While it's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

On 11/03/2015 02:52 AM, Matt Turner wrote: > > So you are telling me that people using github and the switch that took > place has absolutely nothing to do with the changelogs going dead? > You keep saying GitHub. Github is not relevant to this discussion. > > Yes, the ChangeLogs stopped being

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:00:18 -0600 Dale wrote: > Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:08 AM, Dale wrote: > >> Then perhaps all this should have been worked out BEFORE switching > >> to github? > > We didn't switch to github. > > Then why

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:08 AM, Dale wrote: >> Then perhaps all this should have been worked out BEFORE switching to >> github? > We didn't switch to github. Then why are people saying to use git to look at the logs? I don't want to use git. I liked

[gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

Rich Freeman posted on Sun, 01 Nov 2015 20:56:24 -0500 as excerpted: > On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: >> I know if I were still on rsync (or webrsync), I'd be raising hell >> about the lack of >> changelogs well before now > > Perhaps rather than raising

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 11/02/2015 12:00 PM, Dale wrote: > Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:08 AM, Dale >> wrote: >>> Then perhaps all this should have been worked out BEFORE >>> switching to github? >> We didn't switch to github. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

On 11/02/2015 10:54 PM, Dale wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:00:18 -0600 >> Dale wrote: >>> Rich Freeman wrote: On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:08 AM, Dale wrote: > Then perhaps all this should have been worked out BEFORE

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:00:18 -0600 > Dale wrote: >> Rich Freeman wrote: >>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:08 AM, Dale wrote: Then perhaps all this should have been worked out BEFORE switching to github? >>> We didn't switch

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

hasufell wrote: > On 11/02/2015 10:54 PM, Dale wrote: >> Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >>> On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:00:18 -0600 >>> Dale wrote: Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:08 AM, Dale wrote: >> Then perhaps all this should have

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Dale wrote: > hasufell wrote: >> On 11/02/2015 10:54 PM, Dale wrote: >>> Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:00:18 -0600 Dale wrote: > Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:08 AM,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:24 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > > On 11/02/2015 02:56 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: >>> I know if I were still on rsync (or webrsync), I'd be raising hell about >>> the lack of >>>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:08 AM, Dale wrote: > > Then perhaps all this should have been worked out BEFORE switching to > github? We didn't switch to github. > > I don't mind change but it seem this one wasn't really ready to be done > yet although most made it sound like it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

Hi! On Sun, 01 Nov 2015, Martin Vaeth wrote: > Мисбах-Соловьёв Вадим wrote: > > > >> Now how can this user display the ChangeLog for > >> a certain package? > > ``` > > git log -- pkg-category/pkg-name/ > > You removed the crucial part of my posting: > > >> git clone --depth=1

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Dale wrote: > I thought Gentoo was not depending on git/github either. Take 5min and read the wikipedia articles on both git and github, please. Gentoo is not going to depend on github, because of the social contract issues. Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Dale wrote: > That is why a link was posted for me to use github instead. I > do realize and understand that git and github are two different things > but it seems they can work together as well. It ended up that the info > I needed was on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

Matt Turner wrote: > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Dale wrote: >> hasufell wrote: >>> On 11/02/2015 10:54 PM, Dale wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:00:18 -0600 > Dale wrote: >> Rich Freeman wrote: >>> On Mon,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Dale wrote: >> I thought Gentoo was not depending on git/github either. > Take 5min and read the wikipedia articles on both git and github, please. > > Gentoo is not going to depend on github, because of the social

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Dale wrote: >> I thought Gentoo was not depending on git/github either. > Take 5min and read the wikipedia articles on both git and github, please. > > Gentoo is not going to depend on github, because of the social

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

On Sun, 01 Nov 2015 22:19:24 +0600 Мисбах-Соловьёв Вадим wrote: > > Now how can this user display the ChangeLog for > > a certain package? > ``` > git log -- pkg-category/pkg-name/ > ``` > // assuming user in portage directory or passed GIT_DIR with path to > it. > > Although, it

[gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

hasufell wrote: > > git clone --depth=1 The only reasonable option for the gentoo user (not for the gentoo developer) if he does not have megabytes to waste on his harddisk (which probably many users don't), if you want to *force* him to use git. Now how can this user

[gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

Rich Freeman wrote: > > What discussion or decision is necessary? > What is needed is for those who want changelogs > to fix the bug The bug can only be fixed by somebody who knows the details how the rsync mirrors are set up. As mentioned in the discussion in bug 561454,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

> Now how can this user display the ChangeLog for > a certain package? ``` git log -- pkg-category/pkg-name/ ``` // assuming user in portage directory or passed GIT_DIR with path to it. Although, it is only if user has successfully cloned/synced the repo ;) Which is hardcore quest when you're

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

> Perhaps there is a better choice of distribution for you if you are. Or you can just... use rsync.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Martin Vaeth wrote: > Please do not break all these possibilities for users > who do not have to waste the resources for a full git > clone and want to see regularly ChangeLogs nevertheless! I don't think anybody has proposed breaking anything.

[gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

Rich Freeman wrote: > > Keep in mind that "resources" is a vague term [...] > disk io and CPU to sync [...] For syncing, I think these latter resources are less important, because they influence only the *time* of a syncing action, which is normally not so important for the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > I know if I were still on rsync (or webrsync), I'd be raising hell about the > lack of > changelogs well before now Perhaps rather than raising hell you'd do better to raise money to hire an infra team to fix the bug or

[gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

Patrick Lauer posted on Sun, 01 Nov 2015 13:16:31 +0100 as excerpted: > I'm getting mildly very irritated with the lack of easily accessible > ChangeLogs for our packages. > > Apparently updating them stopped some time in August, so now there are > some outdated ChangeLogs that don't really

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

On 11/01/2015 08:22 PM, Duncan wrote: > > Personally, I'd love the primary sync method to be git, and the primary > change logs conveyed via native git log methods, but in ordered to do > that, all those rsync mirrors need to switch to git mirrors. > I wonder what would happen if we just...

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Martin Vaeth wrote: > Rich Freeman wrote: >> >> What discussion or decision is necessary? >> What is needed is for those who want changelogs >> to fix the bug > > The bug can only be fixed by somebody who knows > the details how

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

Мисбах-Соловьёв Вадим schrieb: >>> git clone --depth=1 >> Now how can this user display the ChangeLog for >> a certain package? > ``` > git log -- pkg-category/pkg-name/ I think his point was that shallow clones don't have the full log. Best regards, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn

[gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

Мисбах-Соловьёв Вадим wrote: > >> Now how can this user display the ChangeLog for >> a certain package? > ``` > git log -- pkg-category/pkg-name/ You removed the crucial part of my posting: >> git clone --depth=1

[gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

Мисбах-Соловьёв Вадим wrote: >> Perhaps there is a better choice of distribution for you if you are. > > Or you can just... use rsync. Or emerge-webrsync, emerge-delta-webrsync or squashdelta (I strongly hope that the latter will be available again in some future - IMHO it is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 11/01/2015 09:33 PM, Martin Vaeth wrote: > Мисбах-Соловьёв Вадим wrote: >>> Perhaps there is a better choice of distribution for you if you >>> are. >> >> Or you can just... use rsync. > > Or emerge-webrsync,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

On 11/02/2015 02:56 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: >> I know if I were still on rsync (or webrsync), I'd be raising hell about >> the lack of >> changelogs well before now > Perhaps rather than raising hell you'd do better to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

On 11/02/2015 03:04 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 11/01/2015 08:22 PM, Duncan wrote: >> Personally, I'd love the primary sync method to be git, and the primary >> change logs conveyed via native git log methods, but in ordered to do >> that, all those rsync mirrors need to switch to git

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog

Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: >> I know if I were still on rsync (or webrsync), I'd be raising hell about >> the lack of >> changelogs well before now > Perhaps rather than raising hell you'd do better to raise money to > hire an infra

[gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog in eclass dir (was: Old changelogs / eclass dir)

On Thu, 3 Nov 2011 01:11:46 +0100 Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: Dear all, 1) Why is there no ChangeLog in the eclass directory? In my personal opinion this is missing there, if only for historical reasons... Should we still start one? as there was only positive

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog in eclass dir (was: Old changelogs / eclass dir)

On Donnerstag 03 November 2011 01:42:44 Ryan Hill wrote: On Thu, 3 Nov 2011 01:11:46 +0100 Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: Dear all, 1) Why is there no ChangeLog in the eclass directory? In my personal opinion this is missing there, if only for historical

[gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog in eclass dir (was: Old changelogs / eclass dir)

On Thu, 3 Nov 2011 01:41:29 +0100 Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Donnerstag 03 November 2011 01:42:44 Ryan Hill wrote: On Thu, 3 Nov 2011 01:11:46 +0100 Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: as there was only positive feedback to this suggestion, I'll create

[gentoo-dev] Re: ChangeLog generation - pros and cons (council discussion request)

Fabian Groffen posted on Thu, 02 Jun 2011 11:13:38 +0200 as excerpted: Obviously, all history is lost. VCSs other than CVS might keep history across moves here (svn, git, hg...), hence a follow could perhaps find renames. Question is if this can be detected in such a way that a useful