On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 12:22:09AM +0200, Torsten Veller wrote:
What will you do when users start sending mail from dev addresses?
Ban the sender's address :-]
cheers,
Wernfried
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Thomas Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below,
on Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:41:51 -0400:
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:54:44 -0400, Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
I do like the gentoo-politics idea that came up a few weeks ago,
which was to move politics off gentoo-dev
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:11:19 Duncan wrote:
Ryan Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:01:53 -0600:
Why don't we create the gentoo-project mailing
list, and, you know, actually wait a bit to see how that actually goes.
Then we can talk
On 2007.07.13 18:12, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 08:34 +0200, Christian Faulhammer wrote:
Mike Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
We're voting on this next council meeting so if you have input,
now
would be the time.
Really, I don't like the idea...the list has been calm
Donnie Berkholz wrote:
Matthias Langer wrote:
no offense, but this is one of the worst proposals i've ever read on
this list; why? because, one of gentoo's major problems is that it is
becoming more and more a toy exclusively for its own developers.
Gentoo's always been exclusively for the
Steve Long wrote:
Donnie Berkholz wrote:
Matthias Langer wrote:
no offense, but this is one of the worst proposals i've ever read on
this list; why? because, one of gentoo's major problems is that it is
becoming more and more a toy exclusively for its own developers.
Andrew Gaffney wrote:
You misunderstand. I'm not saying that all non-devs can get bent and their
opinions be damned. I'm just saying that at the core, Gentoo is still the
same as it was back in the day. Gentoo isn't a commercial distribution,
and nobody pays us, so we can do anything we want,
Hello Steve!
On Monday, 16. July 2007 18:17:00 Steve Long wrote:
Sure, but since you're only doing exactly what you want, when you want,
why do you guys keep bleating about how much work you have, and what
extravagant demands us lusers make on you?
Now, now. You're a nice guy on IRC so what
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:34:31 +0100
Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It also happens that bugs are reported, and patches provided, by
users. Not to mention documentation written, support provided on irc
and in forums, which are the envy of every OS out there. Oh and the
small matter of
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Anyone tell me how can I get rid of this junk in my mailbox? Where's the
damned -announce list? Please, stop feeding this kind of debates down
everyone's throat.
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:49:23 +0200, Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
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Anyone tell me how can I get rid of this junk in my mailbox? Where's the
damned
Mike Doty wrote:
All-
We're going to change the -dev mailing list from completely open to where only
devs can post, but any dev could moderate a non-dev post. devs who moderate in
bad posts will be subject to moderation themselves. in addition the
gentoo-project list will be created to take
On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 13:34 +0100, Steve Long wrote:
Are you really claiming that Gentoo could possibly function as an
organisation without the users?
Who ever said that?
Please don't read your own whatever into what is being said. I know I,
for one, don't really care what your opinion is on
* Mike Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
We're going to change the -dev mailing list from completely open to where only
devs can post, but any dev could moderate a non-dev post.
What will you do when users start sending mail from dev addresses?
Thanks,
Torsten
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Torsten Veller wrote:
* Mike Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
We're going to change the -dev mailing list from completely open to where only
devs can post, but any dev could moderate a non-dev post.
What will you do when users start sending mail from dev addresses?
There's nothing to prevent that
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 23:30 +0100, George Prowse wrote:
This is going to crash and burn but wouldn't it be an ideal job
description for the proctors? Instead of telling people off they could
just stop people posting. That way you dont even get to know that they
are
Donnie Berkholz wrote:
Just because developers develop because they want to doesn't mean
they dont want to be part of a community, if that wasn't the case
then none of the current developers would have originally been part
of the userbase to begin with.
What relevance does this have to
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:02:07 +0100
Peter Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The moderators should get the final word, end of.
That would only work if Gentoo could find decent moderator
Sorry I know I said ignore thread but really: just cos the forum mods
banned you it really
Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
below, on Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:54:44 -0400:
I do like the gentoo-politics idea that came up a few weeks ago, which
was to move politics off gentoo-dev and to another list, but I'd view it
from another perspective (and avoid the
Will Briggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sun, 15 Jul
2007 17:54:10 +1000:
At the moment gentoo-dev is a one big noisy room forum. This is seen
as a problem
Propose solutions have included:
1) The Let's divide up the room solution - (and so we have
Christina Fullam wrote:
I suppose the problem is high-volume and excessive flaming/trolling/OT.
The proposed solution asks that every developer take an active role,
yes, so that could easily equal more work - but I have little doubts
that there are developers that will take an interest in
Duncan wrote:
I like the gentoo-project (yes, that's better than politics) idea as
well, and believe it /could/ solve the problem here, given a couple
conditions are met.
One, -project is not to be required reading for devs as -dev is. Devs
(and others) can ignore it if they wish.
Two,
Christina Fullam wrote:
I think everyone is overlooking the part included previously:
An additional method discussed was to have all non-dev emails on a
timeout, pick a number of hours, and then the email if not moderated
would be released. (non-dev sends his email, time period expires and no
William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
-core Internal Private List, Public R/O after period of time
-core Internal Private List, Public R/O after period of time
No. -core should not ever be public. It's not for development anyway.
-core contains things like personal issues the developers
On Sat, 2007-07-14 at 10:25 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote:
William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
-core Internal Private List, Public R/O after period of time
-core Internal Private List, Public R/O after period of time
No. -core should not ever be public. It's not for
Christina Fullam wrote:
I suppose the problem is high-volume and excessive flaming/trolling/OT.
The proposed solution asks that every developer take an active role,
yes, so that could easily equal more work - but I have little doubts
that there are developers that will take an interest in
Mike Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
We're voting on this next council meeting so if you have input, now
would be the time.
Really, I don't like the idea...the list has been calm for some time
now, the discussions were lengthy sometimes but not aggressive.
V-Li
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On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 08:34 +0200, Christian Faulhammer wrote:
Mike Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
We're voting on this next council meeting so if you have input, now
would be the time.
Really, I don't like the idea...the list has been calm for some time
now, the discussions were lengthy
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:12:27 -0700
Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am so waiting for my term to end on the Council so I can procmail
this list to /dev/null and never have to deal with this sort of crap
again. Sure, I'll miss some important information, but the signal to
noise is so
Vieri Di Paola schrieb:
I already contacted jokey (Markus) several months ago
via e-mail and we agreed that he would have setup
proxy maintenance for the shorewall ebuilds so that
I could contribute patches and learn from his
suggestions. We never got to do anything because we
simply stopped
As another invisible AT, theres a couple of points I want to make about
blanket blacklisting:
1. gentoo-dev has an outside image. The current, anyone-can-post,
projects the image that the developers are happy to receive outside
opinions that may be different to 'how things are done'. This is,
Ned Ludd wrote:
On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 02:17 +0200, Robert Buchholz wrote:
I have to second the voices that a lot of user mails are productive.
I did
not do any stats, but I feel that most mails to -dev are currently by
Gentoo
devs anyway, so it will not seriously reduce the amount of mail
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 08:39 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
I just read an article about this [1]. To summarize, in a volunteer
community, there needs to be more people enforcing the rules than
people breaking them. A small group of proctors doesn't work -- we need
Mike Doty schrieb:
All-
We're going to change the -dev mailing list from completely open to where only
devs can post, but any dev could moderate a non-dev post. devs who moderate
in
bad posts will be subject to moderation themselves. in addition the
gentoo-project list will be created
Hey ;)
As an extension of it. What about this:
_All_ posts from -dev go in CC to -project. Even if the posts are
moderated, they always appear there. That way you can have a (moderated)
subset as -dev and people who want to get their words and fights out,
can do that on -project?
Greetz
-Jokey
Mike Doty wrote:
We're going to change the -dev mailing list from completely open to where
only devs can post,
Restricting freedom to post is like setting up surveilance and censorship
against terrorism.
I hate it when the rulers think they can impose such decisions upon the
people and do not
Markus Ullmann wrote:
Hey ;)
As an extension of it. What about this:
_All_ posts from -dev go in CC to -project. Even if the posts are
moderated, they always appear there. That way you can have a (moderated)
subset as -dev and people who want to get their words and fights out,
can do
On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 00:55 +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote:
Mike Doty wrote:
We're going to change the -dev mailing list from completely open to where
only devs can post,
Restricting freedom to post is like setting up surveilance and censorship
against terrorism.
No, it is nothing like
Mike Doty wrote:
All-
We're going to change the -dev mailing list from completely open to where only
devs can post, but any dev could moderate a non-dev post. devs who moderate
in
bad posts will be subject to moderation themselves. in addition the
gentoo-project list will be created to
Daniel Ostrow wrote:
I as a developer find it very difficult to cut though what I consider
noise to find the bits that I consider important to being able to
continue being an effective developer on a list that I am *required* to
be subscribed to. We have considered the likes of a moderated
Ryan Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:01:53 -0600:
Why don't we create the gentoo-project mailing
list, and, you know, actually wait a bit to see how that actually goes.
Then we can talk about how best to handle -dev. One shit at a
Daniel Ostrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 12
Jul 2007 18:41:33 -0700:
1). Create 1 (ONE) new list, which, for the purposes of this discussion
I will call it gentoo-dev-info (the name matters not). The requirement
for subscription for all devs would
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