Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
Stephen P. Becker wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:48:41 -0400 "Stephen P. Becker" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> | I have a couple indys that I'm willing to donate to anyone willing to >> | help with sound development >> >> What happened to the one you sent to Jeremy? Wasn't he supposed to be >> doing sound things for mips? >> > > Apparently a 50 pin scsi hard disk was "too hard" to find and nfsroot > was too much bother. > > -Steve Oh good grief, tell 'em to send it back then. What a way to burn people. I've discovered amarok, and like it. I will look into more in mips to see if it will play well. - Bret -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:46:32 -0400 Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | My answer to this ENTIRE thread is to STOP wasting time complaining, > | whining and nagging and write the code. > > Very good solution for the problem that two thirds of the time spent > coding is spent fixing other people's mistakes... > The problem is he doesn't have a modern audio player that does the job. My answer is to shut up and write one. So while your statement may or may not have some merit, it's entirely unrelated to my point. -- Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:46:32 -0400 Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | My answer to this ENTIRE thread is to STOP wasting time complaining, | whining and nagging and write the code. Very good solution for the problem that two thirds of the time spent coding is spent fixing other people's mistakes... -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail: ciaran dot mccreesh at blueyonder.co.uk -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
Robert Cernansky wrote: > On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:34:27 +0200 Andrej Kacian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:42:27 +0200 >> Robert Cernansky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] >> mpd (and xmms2) is just a server that is responsible for music playback, >> functionality such as xosd notification can be provided by clients, one > [...] >> Many xmms plugins I saw are frontend-related. This can be handled by >> MPD clients. One of main clients, gmpc, recently added plugin support, >> and already plugins for album covers or song lyrics are available. > [...] >>> Also I read that it is not possible to play file without addind it to >>> mpd's database.(?) It seems to be clumsy. >> This is mainly because mpd is designed to run remotely, i.e. not on >> your desktop - clients connect via TCP, so they have no idea about the >> filesystem on box where mpd runs. >> >> There are plans to allow this exact functionality via URIs in >> format: "file://". > > So, I've tried mpd plus mpc, gmpc, glurp and kmp clients. I must say > I don't like it. _Mainly_ because that database thing - sorry but the > playlist management is worse than I expected. I want simply _freely_ > browse my filesystem, pickup an .m3u file and play it. > > I find it very limiting that I cannot play file from any > location. That I have to copy it to "music" directory and rebuild the > database. What about removable media? > > Another big disadvantage is that it cannot play Audio CD's. > > Behavior in multi-user environment is also bad. There is only one > daemon, so imagine that I'll take a break from my work, pause the > player, lock my screen and go to pub for an hour. Another user can log > in and work, and listen the music. But he will have loaded same > playlist, paused as I left it. So he loads its own and listen, but it > will break also my player status and when I return, I'll find his > playlist in my player. > > Sure, it can be solved by running separate instance of mpd by user but > then it is too complicated way just to play music. > > In general, I thing there is no really good client for mpd. I can > imagine that it is possible to start mpd by client, transparently for > user. That this database disadvantages can be hidden by a client so > work with files will be easy and straightforward like in xmms. That it > will have plugin support and more features so things like xosd, handy > disk-writer plugin, effect plugins, tag editing,... will not be > missed. > > Many features are planned, but it takes time to get into real life. > > Btw, something like effect plugin (for example voice removal) belongs > to server or client? > >> Also, mpd has gapless output by default, iirc. > > It does not wor for me, gaps are there. I only found Crossfade option > in kmp client. > > Robert > > My answer to this ENTIRE thread is to STOP wasting time complaining, whining and nagging and write the code. That's my answer to 99% of the threads on this mailing list. If people spent 1/2 the time writing code as they do bitching. The problem would be solved.In the end the people who are actually willing to write the code or do the work get so worn out by these threads that they don't care and aren't interested in writing the code anymore. Then nothing gets done. This is what happened with xmms development. Which is why it stagnated. But it's happened in Gentoo before and it will happen again (i.e. gtk/gtk2 USE flag issue) -- Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Sunday 27 August 2006 04:11, Robert Cernansky wrote: > On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 19:03:16 +0100 Luis Medinas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sounds like we have volunteers to maintain xmms for a couple of > > years. I offered a good solution but looks like nobody likes > > it. I'm still open for sugestions. But keep xmms on the future sound > > herd overlay it's the best imo. > > If the package will be in sound overlay, will be somehow, let's say > minimally supported? By who? if it's a bug in xmms i'd say make the user fix it and not waste time keeping it in bugzilla if it's a bug in the ebuild then a dev will fix it -mike pgpzCCoVDygMz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 19:03:16 +0100 Luis Medinas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sounds like we have volunteers to maintain xmms for a couple of > years. I offered a good solution but looks like nobody likes > it. I'm still open for sugestions. But keep xmms on the future sound > herd overlay it's the best imo. If the package will be in sound overlay, will be somehow, let's say minimally supported? By who? Robert -- Robert Cernansky E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:35:17 +0200 Christian Birchinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 03:53:09PM +0200, Robert Cernansky wrote: > > Unfortunatelly this is something different. xmm-pipe lets you > > control running xmms from commandline (thus binding these commands > > to keys). It allows control volume, skipping in current track > > (fast forward), do some playlist actions and lot more. > > Isn't this what the included "audtool" command is for? I use it for > windowmanager hotkeys. "audtool help" shows that it has lots of > options. Thank you, it looks good. However, 'seeking' is missing. Robert -- Robert Cernansky E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
Alec Warner wrote: Paul de Vrieze wrote: On Thursday 24 August 2006 20:46, Alec Warner wrote: Robert Cernansky wrote: What bothers me also, is that it has not plugin design like xmms. Support for plugins is very good because lot of people can write plugins for lot of things. This is why people do not want to switch from xmms because thanks to plugins it have so many features that currently no player is able to overcome it. So port the plugins from xmms to $NEW_CLIENT, since xmms is an old piece of crap. Who cares. It works (mostly), it is lightweight, and there are enough people using it to keep it in the tree. As long as things don't break beyond repair I see no reason whatsoever to remove xmms (or any other largely unmaintained package in the tree). Paul This is one of those things (along with qa and security) that the community needs to decide. Does stuff that works but has terrible qa stay in the tree? Does security stuff stay in the tree, but masked? Should xmms be masked? We have no real way of "deprecating" a package, aside from leaving it in the tree with a masking reason saying "deprecated and unsupported." at which point not everything in the tree becomes supported. The Treecleaner project that I run is based on the assumption that broken stuff in the tree is bad, and I try to remove the really old stuf broken stuff first. However I aspire to eventually "catch up" and get to the currently broken packages. So which way will you have it? Or is this more of a pragmatic stance on the tree? Broken stuff but still maintained upstream, mask it. Broken stuff and unmaintained upstream , send it to the overlay (probably with a note warning about it on the ebuild?). I would opt for that. So, about the xmms ebuild, i agree with sending it to the overlay. -- Luis F. Araujo "araujo at gentoo.org" Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Sat, 2006-08-26 at 10:46 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Paul de Vrieze wrote: > > Who cares. It works (mostly), it is lightweight, and there are enough > > people > > using it to keep it in the tree. As long as things don't break beyond > > repair > > I see no reason whatsoever to remove xmms (or any other largely > > unmaintained > > package in the tree). > > > > Paul > > ++ from me. Sounds like we have volunteers to maintain xmms for a couple of years. I offered a good solution but looks like nobody likes it. I'm still open for sugestions. But keep xmms on the future sound herd overlay it's the best imo. -- Gentoo Linux Developer http://dev.gentoo.org/~metalgod -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul de Vrieze wrote: > Who cares. It works (mostly), it is lightweight, and there are enough people > using it to keep it in the tree. As long as things don't break beyond repair > I see no reason whatsoever to remove xmms (or any other largely unmaintained > package in the tree). > > Paul ++ from me. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFE8Ij6rsJQqN81j74RAh7rAKC6xOf7pohl8vuc4DbfWUn3hb3tQQCcCy2s HLvfarS6oguVTEgBnfZWOZo= =uxdl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
Paul de Vrieze wrote: > On Thursday 24 August 2006 20:46, Alec Warner wrote: >> Robert Cernansky wrote: >>> What bothers me also, is that it has not plugin design like >>> xmms. Support for plugins is very good because lot of people can write >>> plugins for lot of things. This is why people do not want to switch >>> from xmms because thanks to plugins it have so many features that >>> currently no player is able to overcome it. >> So port the plugins from xmms to $NEW_CLIENT, since xmms is an old piece >> of crap. > > Who cares. It works (mostly), it is lightweight, and there are enough people > using it to keep it in the tree. As long as things don't break beyond repair > I see no reason whatsoever to remove xmms (or any other largely unmaintained > package in the tree). > > Paul > This is one of those things (along with qa and security) that the community needs to decide. Does stuff that works but has terrible qa stay in the tree? Does security stuff stay in the tree, but masked? Should xmms be masked? We have no real way of "deprecating" a package, aside from leaving it in the tree with a masking reason saying "deprecated and unsupported." at which point not everything in the tree becomes supported. The Treecleaner project that I run is based on the assumption that broken stuff in the tree is bad, and I try to remove the really old stuf broken stuff first. However I aspire to eventually "catch up" and get to the currently broken packages. So which way will you have it? Or is this more of a pragmatic stance on the tree? -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Thursday 24 August 2006 20:46, Alec Warner wrote: > Robert Cernansky wrote: > > What bothers me also, is that it has not plugin design like > > xmms. Support for plugins is very good because lot of people can write > > plugins for lot of things. This is why people do not want to switch > > from xmms because thanks to plugins it have so many features that > > currently no player is able to overcome it. > > So port the plugins from xmms to $NEW_CLIENT, since xmms is an old piece > of crap. Who cares. It works (mostly), it is lightweight, and there are enough people using it to keep it in the tree. As long as things don't break beyond repair I see no reason whatsoever to remove xmms (or any other largely unmaintained package in the tree). Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net pgpBsdir4vVPi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 16:49 -0400, Alec Warner wrote: > I don't see how whining about a package you don't maintain, nor helping > out with it helps anyone. Either it stays in pmask, or it stays in > sunrise (since I would bet 5 bucks it ends up in sunrise after getting > punted). The sound team has been very courteous in informing the > community on the matters pertaining to xmms, so either someone picks up > the slack for it, or the affected users (developers and arch teams > included) find another player. > > I don't see why sound should break their backs just so everyone can have > their cake. > > It reminds me of the whole "why isn't X,Y,Z stable!". You are an > empowered smart user, I think you can figure out how to keep a package > that is not in the tree installed on your systems. > Sound herd will have an overlay as soon as we elect a new leader and put xmms there. This is a solution that prevents users to turn their back from us. So xmms will only be used in special cases when someone looks to play something other players don't play. We will keep the future in mind like "we need to inovate" and put xmms2 in the tree. -- Gentoo Linux Developer http://dev.gentoo.org/~metalgod -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
Steve Dibb wrote: > So, I'm curious -- did anyone ever come to a decision what to do on the > matter? The list traffic seems to be dying down. Maybe I just missed > the final decision email. > > Not that it really matters, but here's my 2 cents: > > If its a pita to maintain, hard mask everything and just say "sorry, no > bugs fixie unless you want to maintain it. See > http://dev.g.o/~foo/xmms.html for reasons" At least that way it will > still be in the tree for those that want to use it. > > The second thing is, why does it even matter if its out of the tree or > not? Those who are currently using it will still have it installed on > their system, anyway. I'm still using audacious 0.2.3 even though it's > been taken out, and I won't upgrade until my favorite plugin is ported. > I'm fine with that. > > Anyway, whatever. Do what works best. :) > > Steve ++ I don't see how whining about a package you don't maintain, nor helping out with it helps anyone. Either it stays in pmask, or it stays in sunrise (since I would bet 5 bucks it ends up in sunrise after getting punted). The sound team has been very courteous in informing the community on the matters pertaining to xmms, so either someone picks up the slack for it, or the affected users (developers and arch teams included) find another player. I don't see why sound should break their backs just so everyone can have their cake. It reminds me of the whole "why isn't X,Y,Z stable!". You are an empowered smart user, I think you can figure out how to keep a package that is not in the tree installed on your systems. -Alec Warner -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
So, I'm curious -- did anyone ever come to a decision what to do on the matter? The list traffic seems to be dying down. Maybe I just missed the final decision email. Not that it really matters, but here's my 2 cents: If its a pita to maintain, hard mask everything and just say "sorry, no bugs fixie unless you want to maintain it. See http://dev.g.o/~foo/xmms.html for reasons" At least that way it will still be in the tree for those that want to use it. The second thing is, why does it even matter if its out of the tree or not? Those who are currently using it will still have it installed on their system, anyway. I'm still using audacious 0.2.3 even though it's been taken out, and I won't upgrade until my favorite plugin is ported. I'm fine with that. Anyway, whatever. Do what works best. :) Steve -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 03:53:09PM +0200, Robert Cernansky wrote: > Unfortunatelly this is something different. xmm-pipe lets you control > running xmms from commandline (thus binding these commands to > keys). It allows control volume, skipping in current track (fast > forward), do some playlist actions and lot more. Isn't this what the included "audtool" command is for? I use it for windowmanager hotkeys. "audtool help" shows that it has lots of options. Christian -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:46:58 -0400 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robert Cernansky wrote: > > > > What bothers me also, is that it has not plugin design like > > xmms. Support for plugins is very good because lot of people can > > write plugins for lot of things. This is why people do not want to > > switch from xmms because thanks to plugins it have so many > > features that currently no player is able to overcome it. > > So port the plugins from xmms to $NEW_CLIENT, since xmms is an old > piece of crap. This would be too time consumig player switch. ;-) Robert -- Robert Cernansky E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:34:27 +0200 Andrej Kacian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:42:27 +0200 > Robert Cernansky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > mpd (and xmms2) is just a server that is responsible for music playback, > functionality such as xosd notification can be provided by clients, one [...] > Many xmms plugins I saw are frontend-related. This can be handled by > MPD clients. One of main clients, gmpc, recently added plugin support, > and already plugins for album covers or song lyrics are available. [...] > > Also I read that it is not possible to play file without addind it to > > mpd's database.(?) It seems to be clumsy. > > This is mainly because mpd is designed to run remotely, i.e. not on > your desktop - clients connect via TCP, so they have no idea about the > filesystem on box where mpd runs. > > There are plans to allow this exact functionality via URIs in > format: "file://". So, I've tried mpd plus mpc, gmpc, glurp and kmp clients. I must say I don't like it. _Mainly_ because that database thing - sorry but the playlist management is worse than I expected. I want simply _freely_ browse my filesystem, pickup an .m3u file and play it. I find it very limiting that I cannot play file from any location. That I have to copy it to "music" directory and rebuild the database. What about removable media? Another big disadvantage is that it cannot play Audio CD's. Behavior in multi-user environment is also bad. There is only one daemon, so imagine that I'll take a break from my work, pause the player, lock my screen and go to pub for an hour. Another user can log in and work, and listen the music. But he will have loaded same playlist, paused as I left it. So he loads its own and listen, but it will break also my player status and when I return, I'll find his playlist in my player. Sure, it can be solved by running separate instance of mpd by user but then it is too complicated way just to play music. In general, I thing there is no really good client for mpd. I can imagine that it is possible to start mpd by client, transparently for user. That this database disadvantages can be hidden by a client so work with files will be easy and straightforward like in xmms. That it will have plugin support and more features so things like xosd, handy disk-writer plugin, effect plugins, tag editing,... will not be missed. Many features are planned, but it takes time to get into real life. Btw, something like effect plugin (for example voice removal) belongs to server or client? > Also, mpd has gapless output by default, iirc. It does not wor for me, gaps are there. I only found Crossfade option in kmp client. Robert -- Robert Cernansky E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:48:41 -0400 "Stephen P. Becker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I have a couple indys that I'm willing to donate to anyone willing to | help with sound development What happened to the one you sent to Jeremy? Wasn't he supposed to be doing sound things for mips? Apparently a 50 pin scsi hard disk was "too hard" to find and nfsroot was too much bother. -Steve -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:48:41 -0400 "Stephen P. Becker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I have a couple indys that I'm willing to donate to anyone willing to | help with sound development What happened to the one you sent to Jeremy? Wasn't he supposed to be doing sound things for mips? -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail: ciaran dot mccreesh at blueyonder.co.uk -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
Stephen P. Becker wrote: > Well, it depends on your definition of help. Testing recent snapshots or providing shells would be perfectly fine. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
>> Note that neither mplayer or xine work on mips particularly well. Xine > > Could you please help us fixing it on mips? (in particular currently > there is work in improving ffmp3 in order to ditch mad, that has issues > with mips iirc) Well, it depends on your definition of help. I'd be perfectly happy to provide some hardware for interested developers (I have a couple indys that I'm willing to donate to anyone willing to help with sound development). As for writing any code to try and fix these issues, I'm not capable of providing that sort of help. -Steve -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
Stephen P. Becker wrote: > Luca Barbato wrote: >> Luis Medinas wrote: >> >>> If noone takes it will be saved on overlays.gentoo.org. Everyone needs >>> to know that xmms is old and tired (obsolete). A few developers on >>> redhat, mandriva and suse marked xmms as obsolete. Now it's our turn to >>> move it to our darkness repository. If you want to be sure it's obsolete >>> just read xmms's website. >>> >> >> fine for me >> >> (please add xmms2) >> >> People could just use mplayer o xine to play any audio sample aud >> doesn't. >> >> lu >> > > Note that neither mplayer or xine work on mips particularly well. Xine Could you please help us fixing it on mips? (in particular currently there is work in improving ffmp3 in order to ditch mad, that has issues with mips iirc) lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
Robert Cernansky wrote: What bothers me also, is that it has not plugin design like xmms. Support for plugins is very good because lot of people can write plugins for lot of things. This is why people do not want to switch from xmms because thanks to plugins it have so many features that currently no player is able to overcome it. So port the plugins from xmms to $NEW_CLIENT, since xmms is an old piece of crap. Also I read that it is not possible to play file without addind it to mpd's database.(?) It seems to be clumsy. Can it play streams from internet? Maybe I should install it and look at it more closely. Robert -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:42:27 +0200 Robert Cernansky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank You for the tip. I looked at mpd also (only on web page). It > have probably good posibility to control it via command line. But what > about xosd support? (Which I mention in my previous post.) I do not > see any info on page about it. mpd (and xmms2) is just a server that is responsible for music playback, functionality such as xosd notification can be provided by clients, one such example is here[1]. Perhaps there are more. > What bothers me also, is that it has not plugin design like > xmms. Support for plugins is very good because lot of people can write > plugins for lot of things. This is why people do not want to switch > from xmms because thanks to plugins it have so many features that > currently no player is able to overcome it. That is true, but if you split the media player functionality between server and client, server doesn't need many plugins - it only needs to support as many media types as possible. Many xmms plugins I saw are frontend-related. This can be handled by MPD clients. One of main clients, gmpc, recently added plugin support, and already plugins for album covers or song lyrics are available. > Also I read that it is not possible to play file without addind it to > mpd's database.(?) It seems to be clumsy. This is mainly because mpd is designed to run remotely, i.e. not on your desktop - clients connect via TCP, so they have no idea about the filesystem on box where mpd runs. There are plans to allow this exact functionality via URIs in format: "file://". > Can it play streams from internet? Maybe I should install it and look > at it more closely. Yes, and what's more, the development version (release candidates too) is also able to act as an icecast source, thus mpd+icecast2 can act as a streaming server. I'm usually listening to music streamed from my home box via an openvpn tunnel at work. :) Also, mpd has gapless output by default, iirc. 1. http://www.musicpd.org/forum/index.php?topic=1189 -- Andrej -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
Yes, mpd can play streams. Greets, Aidy 2006/8/24, Robert Cernansky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:08:32 +0200 Andrej Kacian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > sounds like you might want to have a look at http://musicpd.org - in > portage as media-sound/mpd or media-sound/mpd-svn. Thank You for the tip. I looked at mpd also (only on web page). It have probably good posibility to control it via command line. But what about xosd support? (Which I mention in my previous post.) I do not see any info on page about it. What bothers me also, is that it has not plugin design like xmms. Support for plugins is very good because lot of people can write plugins for lot of things. This is why people do not want to switch from xmms because thanks to plugins it have so many features that currently no player is able to overcome it. Also I read that it is not possible to play file without addind it to mpd's database.(?) It seems to be clumsy. Can it play streams from internet? Maybe I should install it and look at it more closely. Robert -- Robert Cernansky E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:08:32 +0200 Andrej Kacian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > sounds like you might want to have a look at http://musicpd.org - in > portage as media-sound/mpd or media-sound/mpd-svn. Thank You for the tip. I looked at mpd also (only on web page). It have probably good posibility to control it via command line. But what about xosd support? (Which I mention in my previous post.) I do not see any info on page about it. What bothers me also, is that it has not plugin design like xmms. Support for plugins is very good because lot of people can write plugins for lot of things. This is why people do not want to switch from xmms because thanks to plugins it have so many features that currently no player is able to overcome it. Also I read that it is not possible to play file without addind it to mpd's database.(?) It seems to be clumsy. Can it play streams from internet? Maybe I should install it and look at it more closely. Robert -- Robert Cernansky E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:22:06 +0200 Robert Cernansky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, looked at this. It's similar to stadard xmms > posibilites. xmms-pipe have much wider posibilites. > > I use mainly skipping within a track (not to next track) so I can > rewind without touching a mouse and switching to third workspace where > xmms is sitting. > > Another frequently used xmms-pipe functionality is volume control > (with software mixing enabled you can control volume of xmms > independently from Main/PCM volume). > > Useful is also reporting info (e.g. about played track) to output > pipe. Hello Robert, sounds like you might want to have a look at http://musicpd.org - in portage as media-sound/mpd or media-sound/mpd-svn. It does all you mention above (and more), and is nearing a major release (rc3 came out just today, I will be adding an ebuild for it tonight after I'm back from work). Kind regards, -- Andrej Kacian -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:12:48 -0400 "Stephen P. Becker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Luca Barbato wrote: > > Luis Medinas wrote: > > > >> If noone takes it will be saved on overlays.gentoo.org. Everyone needs > >> to know that xmms is old and tired (obsolete). A few developers on > >> redhat, mandriva and suse marked xmms as obsolete. Now it's our turn to > >> move it to our darkness repository. If you want to be sure it's obsolete > >> just read xmms's website. > >> > > > > fine for me > > > > (please add xmms2) > > > > People could just use mplayer o xine to play any audio sample aud doesn't. > > > > lu > > > > Note that neither mplayer or xine work on mips particularly well. Xine > is especially screwed. And if anybody mentions gstreamer, it flat out > doesn't work at all. > > -Steve It is aqualung that is a very good player with nice features such as oss, alsa, jack and LADSPA support. It have a database support to help to organise yours audio files. http://aqualung.sourceforge.net/ But I don't know if it will work on any architecture. It is still a beta software, but I know users very happy with it. And the development seam to be very fast and active. Dominique -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:01:23 +0200 Krzysiek Pawlik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robert Cernansky wrote: > > Unfortunatelly this is something different. xmm-pipe lets you > > control running xmms from commandline (thus binding these commands > > to keys). It allows control volume, skipping in current track > > (fast forward), do some playlist actions and lot more. > > This helps: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~$ audacious --help > Usage: audacious [options] [files] ... > > Options: > > > -h, --help Display this text and exit > -n, --session Select Audacious/BMP/XMMS session (Default: 0) > -r, --rew Skip backwards in playlist > -p, --play Start playing current playlist > -u, --pausePause current song > -s, --stop Stop current song > -t, --play-pause Pause if playing, play otherwise > -f, --fwd Skip forward in playlist > -e, --enqueue Don't clear the playlist > -m, --show-main-window Show the main window > -a, --activate Activate Audacious > -i, --sm-client-id Previous session ID > -H, --headless Headless operation [experimental] > -N, --no-log Disable error/warning interception (logging) > -v, --version Print version number and exit Yes, looked at this. It's similar to stadard xmms posibilites. xmms-pipe have much wider posibilites. I use mainly skipping within a track (not to next track) so I can rewind without touching a mouse and switching to third workspace where xmms is sitting. Another frequently used xmms-pipe functionality is volume control (with software mixing enabled you can control volume of xmms independently from Main/PCM volume). Useful is also reporting info (e.g. about played track) to output pipe. Robert -- Robert Cernansky E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
Robert Cernansky wrote: > Unfortunatelly this is something different. xmm-pipe lets you control > running xmms from commandline (thus binding these commands to > keys). It allows control volume, skipping in current track (fast > forward), do some playlist actions and lot more. This helps: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~$ audacious --help Usage: audacious [options] [files] ... Options: -h, --help Display this text and exit -n, --session Select Audacious/BMP/XMMS session (Default: 0) -r, --rew Skip backwards in playlist -p, --play Start playing current playlist -u, --pausePause current song -s, --stop Stop current song -t, --play-pause Pause if playing, play otherwise -f, --fwd Skip forward in playlist -e, --enqueue Don't clear the playlist -m, --show-main-window Show the main window -a, --activate Activate Audacious -i, --sm-client-id Previous session ID -H, --headless Headless operation [experimental] -N, --no-log Disable error/warning interception (logging) -v, --version Print version number and exit -- Krzysiek Pawlik key id: 0xBC51 desktop-misc, desktop-dock, desktop-wm, x86, java, apache... signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 03:16:41PM +0200, Pierre Guinoiseau wrote: > Robert Cernansky a écrit : > > On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:30:20 +0100 Luis Medinas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Most missing is gapless output, so when playing continuous tracks > > I get ugly spaces between them, brr. Other missing is very usefull > > xosd support and great xmms-pipe (which does not work for me > > currently, I reported it yesterday - this was probably last drop > > for you Luis :-( ) so xmms can be widely controlled by external > > commands. > > > Audacious has xosd support : > * media-plugins/audacious-xosd Thanks, I mentioned only stable stuff before. This one is not stable. > And regarding xmms-pipe, maybe this can replace it : > * net-irc/audacious-show Unfortunatelly this is something different. xmm-pipe lets you control running xmms from commandline (thus binding these commands to keys). It allows control volume, skipping in current track (fast forward), do some playlist actions and lot more. Robert -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Jakub Moc wrote: It's broken like hell (see above) and it's a huge PITA to maintain a thing that's completely dead upstream. For something that's dead, it's been kicking quite a lot this summer: http://cvs.xmms.org/cvsweb.cgi/xmms/ChangeLog /Anders - -- Anders Hellgren (kallamej) Gentoo Forums Administrator -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFE7asQFX025WX+RG4RAiH7AKCzZyaUiVcTvd0sRsuUYlKFXiYY6ACfeSUo UFgmWFB+bFDqqkVKoxD5mYw= =4Euv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
Robert Cernansky a écrit : > On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:30:20 +0100 Luis Medinas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Most missing is gapless output, so when playing continuous tracks > I get ugly spaces between them, brr. Other missing is very usefull > xosd support and great xmms-pipe (which does not work for me > currently, I reported it yesterday - this was probably last drop for > you Luis :-( ) so xmms can be widely controlled by external commands. > Audacious has xosd support : * media-plugins/audacious-xosd Available versions: 0.3 Installed: none Homepage:http://www.netswarm.net/ Description: Audacious plugin for overlaying text/glyphs in X-On-Screen-Display And regarding xmms-pipe, maybe this can replace it : * net-irc/audacious-show Available versions: 1.2.0 Installed: none Homepage:http://nedudu.hu/?page_id=11 Description: XChat plugin to control audacious and to show whatever you're currently playing to others -- Pierre Guinoiseau Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] M$N: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://akoya.homelinux.net -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
Luca Barbato wrote: Luis Medinas wrote: If noone takes it will be saved on overlays.gentoo.org. Everyone needs to know that xmms is old and tired (obsolete). A few developers on redhat, mandriva and suse marked xmms as obsolete. Now it's our turn to move it to our darkness repository. If you want to be sure it's obsolete just read xmms's website. fine for me (please add xmms2) People could just use mplayer o xine to play any audio sample aud doesn't. lu Note that neither mplayer or xine work on mips particularly well. Xine is especially screwed. And if anybody mentions gstreamer, it flat out doesn't work at all. -Steve -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:39:10 +1000 Jonathan Adamczewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robin H. Johnson wrote: > > don't take XMMS away from those of us already using it without any > > issues. > > It can disappear from portage without affecting your ability to keep > using it. Not true, when upgrading world I'll always get message like: !!! Ebuilds for the following packages are either all !!! masked or don't exist: media-sound/xmms And --depclean will be broken because it will want to remove all xmms dependencies. Maybe there are other issues with installed¬_in_portage packages. Robert -- Robert Cernansky E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:30:20 +0100 Luis Medinas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We have a few alternatives like audacious, gstreamer based players > and xine-lib players (did i forget anything ?). The problem is that [...] > So i'm asking for a solution either remove xmms, move the maintainer > for anyone who volunteer or the sound herd. My plans now is replace > xmms for xmms2 (that i would like to take the > maintainership). Opinions ? Ideas ? Just pure user point of view: I search for alternatives and closest that I found in amd64 stable portage tree is audacious. But it have less functionality than xmms (even than xmms_with_bugs). Most missing is gapless output, so when playing continuous tracks I get ugly spaces between them, brr. Other missing is very usefull xosd support and great xmms-pipe (which does not work for me currently, I reported it yesterday - this was probably last drop for you Luis :-( ) so xmms can be widely controlled by external commands. This is disadvantages that I have remembered now. I'm sure I'll find others in the future (as always when swithching software). Also there are for sure more, that affect other users. In general, after removing xmms we, users, only get less functionality. Notthing will be better. So it sounds not logical to remove functional, widely used piece of software which is better (even with current bugs) then alternatives. Kind regards Robert -- Robert Cernansky E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 05:21 -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > The last time this came up, a few months ago, mentioned in somebodies > blog, I made an effort to look at both bmpx and audacious. > > Both used significantly more CPU, and one of them was completely > unusable with the size of my playlist (~24000 items, mostly legal MP3) - > it sucked up ~4Gb of memory, and then the OOM killer smote it. > The audio player i use these days is banshee and sometimes muine. Yes that's true they eat too much mem compared to xmms. > The plugins I used are xosd, songchange, realrandom - none of which > seemed to be trivially recompilable when I looked, but I do see that at > least one other distro has managed to port xosd. > We can port it too. > One thing that XMMS does have going for it compared to the newer GTK2 > variants is that it's much more light-weight. I'm not sure if it's just > because of the usage of GTK2 instead of GTK1, but the added size of the > alternatives isn't suitable for the moment. > Yes but you need to remember that GTK1 is not supported by upstream anymore. > As noted by other folk, I have no objections with the default changing > away from xmms, to discourage new users, but don't take XMMS away from > those of us already using it without any issues. > Yes discourage new users is the way and move the current users to another player is necessary too. We can move xmms for overlays with no support from us or maybe anyone else take it apart from sound herd. -- Gentoo Linux Developer http://dev.gentoo.org/~metalgod -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
Robin H. Johnson wrote: don't take XMMS away from those of us already using it without any issues. It can disappear from portage without affecting your ability to keep using it. j. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 09:30:20PM +0100, Luis Medinas wrote: > I'm the current maintainer for xmms and all plugins. As you all know > xmms is writen over GTK+-1. This toolkit is not supported by the > upstream like xmms. We have lot's of dead upstream plugins on portage > and this is a pain to maintain like xmms itself. You might want to look > at our patchset that contains fixes for 'millions' of bugs. > We have a few alternatives like audacious, gstreamer based players and > xine-lib players (did i forget anything ?). The problem is that this > players doesn't support a few audiotypes or plugins that xmms currently > does. > So i'm asking for a solution either remove xmms, move the maintainer for > anyone who volunteer or the sound herd. > My plans now is replace xmms for xmms2 (that i would like to take the > maintainership). Opinions ? Ideas ? The last time this came up, a few months ago, mentioned in somebodies blog, I made an effort to look at both bmpx and audacious. Both used significantly more CPU, and one of them was completely unusable with the size of my playlist (~24000 items, mostly legal MP3) - it sucked up ~4Gb of memory, and then the OOM killer smote it. The plugins I used are xosd, songchange, realrandom - none of which seemed to be trivially recompilable when I looked, but I do see that at least one other distro has managed to port xosd. One thing that XMMS does have going for it compared to the newer GTK2 variants is that it's much more light-weight. I'm not sure if it's just because of the usage of GTK2 instead of GTK1, but the added size of the alternatives isn't suitable for the moment. As noted by other folk, I have no objections with the default changing away from xmms, to discourage new users, but don't take XMMS away from those of us already using it without any issues. -- Robin Hugh Johnson E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG FP : 11AC BA4F 4778 E3F6 E4ED F38E B27B 944E 3488 4E85 pgpCVP2xOSc7a.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
Josh Saddler wrote: > Please don't remove it, and don't replace it with xmms2. There are far too > many > media type plugins that work for xmms that audacious and similar players can't > handle. Also, will xmms plugins even work in xmms2? And isn't xmms2 still a > command line-only application? Not what users need or want. Perhaps the most > compelling reason to keep xmms around and *not* use xmms2 is the one you just > made: > Can you provide a list of open fairly important bugs for xmms that provide > good > examples of why you don't want to maintain it? Just so we can see your > reasoning. So go maintain it - a quick list of bugs awaiting your love: http://tinyurl.com/fbekn Even if you do, I'd still love this to go away from the main tree to some overlay. > You may think xmms is obsolete, but it has a pretty decent niche among the > available player choices; It's broken like hell (see above) and it's a huge PITA to maintain a thing that's completely dead upstream. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On 8/23/06, Josh Saddler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, don't dump a product that's not even near alpha status on users. If we want to keep using software that's old, but works just fine, why force a really stupid switch? Saying xmms works "just fine" is a bit of stretch IMO. My most hated xmms bug was this one: http://bugs.xmms.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149 This bug is more than 5 years (!!) old. I've since moved on to amarok. -Richard -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Wednesday 23 August 2006 23:32, Luis Medinas wrote: > If noone takes it will be saved on overlays.gentoo.org. Everyone needs > to know that xmms is old and tired (obsolete). A few developers on > redhat, mandriva and suse marked xmms as obsolete. Now it's our turn to > move it to our darkness repository. If you want to be sure it's obsolete > just read xmms's website. that isnt what i meant you can push whatever audio player you want as the default and mark xmms unsupported, it just has to be kept around until the newer audio players can actually fill the gap left by xmms as for those distros, who cares ... they cant even play mp3s out of the box :p -mike pgppa7xlZfw86.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
Luis Medinas wrote: > If noone takes it will be saved on overlays.gentoo.org. Everyone needs > to know that xmms is old and tired (obsolete). A few developers on > redhat, mandriva and suse marked xmms as obsolete. Now it's our turn to > move it to our darkness repository. If you want to be sure it's obsolete > just read xmms's website. > fine for me (please add xmms2) People could just use mplayer o xine to play any audio sample aud doesn't. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 20:11 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote: > Please don't remove it, and don't replace it with xmms2. There are far too > many > media type plugins that work for xmms that audacious and similar players can't > handle. Also, will xmms plugins even work in xmms2? And isn't xmms2 still a > command line-only application? Not what users need or want. Perhaps the most > compelling reason to keep xmms around and *not* use xmms2 is the one you just > made: > Yes xmms2 is just the "server" it needs clients to be like the old xmms. But it contains a modern design and it will be able to support almost every type of plugins that the current xmms supports. > > Xmms2 is a good player that needs of course ages of > > development to be able to be like xmms. > > So, don't dump a product that's not even near alpha status on users. If we > want > to keep using software that's old, but works just fine, why force a really > stupid switch? > It's not alpha status... it's very close to a final product afaik. It's working fine(apart from scons crap :P) and the design provides very easy maintainence compared to the old xmms. > Can you provide a list of open fairly important bugs for xmms that provide > good > examples of why you don't want to maintain it? Just so we can see your > reasoning. > You can just look at bugs.g.o and those bugs are not easy to fix. Most of them require lot's of time to dive into the sources and fix it on a repository (upstream job). For a distro maintainer like us it's a pain to maintain it. > You may think xmms is obsolete, but it has a pretty decent niche among the > available player choices; I know I'm not alone in my affinity for it. Please > keep it. At the very least, if it has to go, don't dump a half-assed > alternative > like xmms2 on the users -- sure, xmm2 shows a lot of promise, but it's simply > not ready. xmms is stable; might as well keep it around until we're so far > into > future gcc versions that it (and gtk-1) just won't compile any longer on any > arch. ;) If noone takes it will be saved on overlays.gentoo.org. Everyone needs to know that xmms is old and tired (obsolete). A few developers on redhat, mandriva and suse marked xmms as obsolete. Now it's our turn to move it to our darkness repository. If you want to be sure it's obsolete just read xmms's website. -- Gentoo Linux Developer http://dev.gentoo.org/~metalgod -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Luis Medinas wrote: > On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 20:07 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> On Wednesday 23 August 2006 16:30, Luis Medinas wrote: >>> So i'm asking for a solution either remove xmms, move the maintainer for >>> anyone who volunteer or the sound herd. >> no one has answered the previous problems ... xmms is the only audioplayer >> that actually works on some platforms ... >> > Most of the gstreamer audio players works just like xine-lib based. > >> plus, has the audacious/gcc-4.1 issues been worked out ? >> >>> My plans now is replace xmms for xmms2 (that i would like to take the >>> maintainership). Opinions ? Ideas ? >> even if you were to do that right now, xmms2 isnt even close to being ready >> to >> replace xmms > > Yes you are right but atm xmms is obsolete and there is place for > another player. Xmms2 is a good player that needs of course ages of > development to be able to be like xmms. Please don't remove it, and don't replace it with xmms2. There are far too many media type plugins that work for xmms that audacious and similar players can't handle. Also, will xmms plugins even work in xmms2? And isn't xmms2 still a command line-only application? Not what users need or want. Perhaps the most compelling reason to keep xmms around and *not* use xmms2 is the one you just made: > Xmms2 is a good player that needs of course ages of > development to be able to be like xmms. So, don't dump a product that's not even near alpha status on users. If we want to keep using software that's old, but works just fine, why force a really stupid switch? Can you provide a list of open fairly important bugs for xmms that provide good examples of why you don't want to maintain it? Just so we can see your reasoning. You may think xmms is obsolete, but it has a pretty decent niche among the available player choices; I know I'm not alone in my affinity for it. Please keep it. At the very least, if it has to go, don't dump a half-assed alternative like xmms2 on the users -- sure, xmm2 shows a lot of promise, but it's simply not ready. xmms is stable; might as well keep it around until we're so far into future gcc versions that it (and gtk-1) just won't compile any longer on any arch. ;) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFE7RjhrsJQqN81j74RAj6DAKCbAM79wAE1JI42q6+L8Vaak9LPKwCfQ2bB vVoxumBcHPZbVmE0dMtsto8= =qVNx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
Luis Medinas wrote: > On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 20:07 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> On Wednesday 23 August 2006 16:30, Luis Medinas wrote: >>> So i'm asking for a solution either remove xmms, move the maintainer for >>> anyone who volunteer or the sound herd. >> no one has answered the previous problems ... xmms is the only audioplayer >> that actually works on some platforms ... >> I'm going to make an uncharacteristic statement here. Who Cares. If you want an audio player on your arch; help maintain this, or help fix an alternative so it does work. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 20:07 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 16:30, Luis Medinas wrote: > > So i'm asking for a solution either remove xmms, move the maintainer for > > anyone who volunteer or the sound herd. > > no one has answered the previous problems ... xmms is the only audioplayer > that actually works on some platforms ... > Most of the gstreamer audio players works just like xine-lib based. > plus, has the audacious/gcc-4.1 issues been worked out ? > > > My plans now is replace xmms for xmms2 (that i would like to take the > > maintainership). Opinions ? Ideas ? > > even if you were to do that right now, xmms2 isnt even close to being ready > to > replace xmms Yes you are right but atm xmms is obsolete and there is place for another player. Xmms2 is a good player that needs of course ages of development to be able to be like xmms. Neither i or sound herd want to maintain xmms anymore. If there is anyone that will take it we won't mind. But we won't waste more time on a player that is obsolete with a dead upstream. So we would like to move xmms to overlays.gentoo.org soon with another maintainer to take care of it. -- Gentoo Linux Developer http://dev.gentoo.org/~metalgod -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
On Wednesday 23 August 2006 16:30, Luis Medinas wrote: > So i'm asking for a solution either remove xmms, move the maintainer for > anyone who volunteer or the sound herd. no one has answered the previous problems ... xmms is the only audioplayer that actually works on some platforms ... plus, has the audacious/gcc-4.1 issues been worked out ? > My plans now is replace xmms for xmms2 (that i would like to take the > maintainership). Opinions ? Ideas ? even if you were to do that right now, xmms2 isnt even close to being ready to replace xmms -mike pgpt6WkISre8I.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
xmms2 and audacious sound good ;) Luis Medinas wrote: Hi everyone. I'm the current maintainer for xmms and all plugins. As you all know xmms is writen over GTK+-1. This toolkit is not supported by the upstream like xmms. We have lot's of dead upstream plugins on portage and this is a pain to maintain like xmms itself. You might want to look at our patchset that contains fixes for 'millions' of bugs. We have a few alternatives like audacious, gstreamer based players and xine-lib players (did i forget anything ?). The problem is that this players doesn't support a few audiotypes or plugins that xmms currently does. So i'm asking for a solution either remove xmms, move the maintainer for anyone who volunteer or the sound herd. My plans now is replace xmms for xmms2 (that i would like to take the maintainership). Opinions ? Ideas ? -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.
Hi everyone. I'm the current maintainer for xmms and all plugins. As you all know xmms is writen over GTK+-1. This toolkit is not supported by the upstream like xmms. We have lot's of dead upstream plugins on portage and this is a pain to maintain like xmms itself. You might want to look at our patchset that contains fixes for 'millions' of bugs. We have a few alternatives like audacious, gstreamer based players and xine-lib players (did i forget anything ?). The problem is that this players doesn't support a few audiotypes or plugins that xmms currently does. So i'm asking for a solution either remove xmms, move the maintainer for anyone who volunteer or the sound herd. My plans now is replace xmms for xmms2 (that i would like to take the maintainership). Opinions ? Ideas ? -- Gentoo Linux Developer http://dev.gentoo.org/~metalgod -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
