On Friday 02 September 2005 06:28, Lance Albertson wrote:
Grant Goodyear wrote:
Christian Parpart wrote: [Thu Sep 01 2005, 05:45:43PM CDT]
This just leads me to assume you're not really a coder (wrt native
programming languages like C/C++), are you?
*Grin* This sort of condescending
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 11:08:58 +0200 Christian Parpart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Maybe I do not understand the diffference between I assume and I
| know, and I know I meant the first, however, in that case, Grant,
| I do not know why you're requesting this combine when you know about
| these issues
The recent discussion about having a real x86 arch team and combining
the x86 and amd64 keywords was both interesting and provocative. Of
course, this is the sort of thing that the GLEP system was meant for.
Now that we have a new council that (I hope) will be active in approving
or rejecting
Grant Goodyear wrote:
The recent discussion about having a real x86 arch team and combining
the x86 and amd64 keywords was both interesting and provocative. Of
course, this is the sort of thing that the GLEP system was meant for.
Now that we have a new council that (I hope) will be active in
Grant Goodyear wrote:
Now that we have a new council that (I hope) will be active in approving
or rejecting GLEPs, perhaps someone should be writing a GLEP about
combining x86 and amd64?
I'm not sure if it's really worth writing another GLEP for an april's fool...
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On Thursday 01 September 2005 19:10, Grant Goodyear wrote:
Now that we have a new council that (I hope) will be active in approving
or rejecting GLEPs, perhaps someone should be writing a GLEP about
combining x86 and amd64?
I hope this not. As (iirc) I already said, it's impossible to combine
Simon Stelling wrote:
Grant Goodyear wrote:
Now that we have a new council that (I hope) will be active in approving
or rejecting GLEPs, perhaps someone should be writing a GLEP about
combining x86 and amd64?
I'm not sure if it's really worth writing another GLEP for an april's
fool...
Using a single keyword would make us unable to mark for example helixplayer
(source) x86 and -amd64 at the same time (as it's now).
So package.mask it in the (now hypothetical) amd64 sub-profile, and it
is fixed.
-Steve
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I hope this not. As (iirc) I already said, it's impossible to combine x86 with
anything else that's not 100% source and binary compatible with itself...
The reason is actually simple: x86 is, or at least was, the reference
architecture for almost all programmers.
Witih amd64 becoming so
On Thursday 01 September 2005 19:39, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
Witih amd64 becoming so widespread, this will change.
You think it's a thing that changes in 2 days?
Doesn't the amd64 team have a set of 32-bit compat libs just to run
binary packages? When running 32-bit code, isn't amd64
Simon Stelling wrote:
Stephen P. Becker wrote:
Using a single keyword would make us unable to mark for example
helixplayer (source) x86 and -amd64 at the same time (as it's now).
So package.mask it in the (now hypothetical) amd64 sub-profile, and it
is fixed.
That's exactly why i don't
On Thursday 01 September 2005 01:39 pm, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
I hope this not. As (iirc) I already said, it's impossible to combine x86
with anything else that's not 100% source and binary compatible with
itself... The reason is actually simple: x86 is, or at least was, the
reference
Also, you can't compare sparc32/sparc64 to x86/amd64: sparc64 is just a
64bit kernel with a 32bit userland.
Oh yeah, I forgot, sparc32 uses a different userland than sparc64 in
Gentoo. Shall I stop shooting holes in this type of argument now? :)
-Steve
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:42:46 +0200
Simon Stelling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also, you can't compare sparc32/sparc64 to x86/amd64: sparc64 is just
a 64bit kernel with a 32bit userland.
However, that can't be said of mips, where one keyword covers 32- and
64-bit kernels with three different
someone should be writing a GLEP about
combining x86 and amd64?
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Stephen P. Becker wrote:
The reason is actually simple: x86 is, or at least was, the reference
architecture for almost all programmers.
Witih amd64 becoming so widespread, this will change.
That's why I have another proposal: Let's merge x86 and amd64 keywords in about
10 years, when x86
On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 13:39 -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
I hope this not. As (iirc) I already said, it's impossible to combine x86
with
anything else that's not 100% source and binary compatible with itself...
The reason is actually simple: x86 is, or at least was, the reference
On Thu, 2005-01-09 at 19:02 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 19:50:11 +0200 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| On Thursday 01 September 2005 19:41, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| Untrue.
|
| Can I have reasoning?
Take a look at how sparc and mips currently
On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:10:28 -0500 Grant Goodyear [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| The recent discussion about having a real x86 arch team and
| combining the x86 and amd64 keywords was both interesting and
| provocative. Of course, this is the sort of thing that the GLEP
| system was meant for. Now
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:36:44 -0400 Olivier Crete [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Is it just me, it seems that only sparc/mips devs want that kind of
| change and non none of the x86/amd64 devs...
The people who have worked with such a system before and understand how
it works and what all it can do
On Thursday 01 September 2005 20:42, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
The people who have worked with such a system before and understand how
it works and what all it can do want change. Those who don't understand
the system and think that it has all kinds of problems that are really
just a lack of
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: [Thu Sep 01 2005, 01:41:22PM CDT]
Won't work. Too many people who don't have a clue what's being proposed
and who don't understand the explanations.
Okay, with that statement, and an inability to find anybody else who
really wants to write such a GLEP, I'm certainly
Grant Goodyear wrote:
The recent discussion about having a real x86 arch team and combining
the x86 and amd64 keywords was both interesting and provocative. Of
course, this is the sort of thing that the GLEP system was meant for.
Now that we have a new council that (I hope) will be active in
On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 14:36 -0400, Olivier Crete wrote:
On Thu, 2005-01-09 at 19:02 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 19:50:11 +0200 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| On Thursday 01 September 2005 19:41, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| Untrue.
|
| Can I
On Thursday 01 September 2005 20:54, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
Well, merging the two arches will help solve
this problem.
I read this as as nobody wants to take care of x86, and we can't blame anyone
because there's no one to blame, let make amd64 arch team the one to blame,
as we don't have
On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 19:42 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:36:44 -0400 Olivier Crete [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Is it just me, it seems that only sparc/mips devs want that kind of
| change and non none of the x86/amd64 devs...
The people who have worked with such a
On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 20:54:15 +0200 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| On Thursday 01 September 2005 20:42, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| The people who have worked with such a system before and understand
| how it works and what all it can do want change. Those who don't
|
On Thu, 2005-01-09 at 19:53 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 20:46:46 +0200 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| On Thursday 01 September 2005 20:32, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| Ideally they wouldn't be keyworded at all.
| I live in a real world, not an ideal
On Thursday 01 September 2005 21:00, Martin Schlemmer wrote:
Possible, but once again, why will a merge give 'better' QA ?
Because you start over. You have to DO actually the QA that's missing on x86.
That's true but... WHO will do that?
The new merged arch team... but let my math skills try to
On Thursday 01 September 2005 21:09, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Hence the GLEP proposal. Unfortunately, too many ignorant people are
jumping in and spewing out nonsense about things they don't understand
before the GLEP's even written...
There was one, wasn't it? And I think I answered to that with
Martin Schlemmer wrote:
I still dont see what practical advantage that would bring to x86/amd64
users or developers?
Well, I guess the theory might be because then you only have one keyword
and one base profile to manage - I think.
Having just one keyword won't decrease our (our as in
On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 21:19:31 +0200 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| On Thursday 01 September 2005 21:09, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| Hence the GLEP proposal. Unfortunately, too many ignorant people are
| jumping in and spewing out nonsense about things they don't
| understand
On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 21:14 +0200, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
x86 users = a lot, most of the illiterate, ricer, ranting users..
I thought that was amd64? :P
Anyway, here's what *I* propose. I propose that we all just shut up and
ignore this. It's obvious that there's not going to be an
On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 21:17 +0200, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
The new merged arch team... but let my math skills try to solve this
a + b = c
x86 arch team + amd64 arch team = combined arch team
0 + b = b
x86 arch team = 0
and this means that AMD64 arch team will have to do QA
On Thursday 01 September 2005 21:29, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
I thought that was amd64?
Well.. it actually is both :)
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On Thursday 01 September 2005 21:28, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| There was one, wasn't it? And I think I answered to that with some
| points. I have explained my reasons for not doing so today.
No, there was an April Fool's joke.
Have to look down to the irc logs to find you said you were serious?
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
No, there was an April Fool's joke.
Which pretty good shows how ridiculous such a merge would be...
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On 1/9/2005 20:54:14, Stephen P. Becker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Is it just me, it seems that only sparc/mips devs want that kind of
change and non none of the x86/amd64 devs...
I still dont see what practical advantage that would bring to x86/amd64
users or developers?
If you
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 21:42:09 +0200 Simon Stelling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| No, there was an April Fool's joke.
|
| Which pretty good shows how ridiculous such a merge would be...
Not at all. It showed just how many silly knee-jerk reactions such a
proposal would get.
On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 21:14 +0100, Ian Leitch wrote:
I think myself and tester are the only members who can be considered
active at the moment. I'm happy with creating an arch team, though I
don't think we'll end up with an abundance of members (x86 is far from
the most popular arch among
I think myself and tester are the only members who can be considered
active at the moment. I'm happy with creating an arch team, though I
don't think we'll end up with an abundance of members (x86 is far from
the most popular arch among devs).
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
So would just making an
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| yes, assuming user wants that ... not everyone wants multilib crap on
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| get away with it
You can, we have the 'no-multilib'
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Ciaran McCreesh schrieb:
| On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:10:28 -0500 Grant Goodyear [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| wrote:
| | The recent discussion about having a real x86 arch team and
| | combining the x86 and amd64 keywords was both interesting and
| | provocative.
On Thu, 2005-01-09 at 15:25 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
So would just making an x86 arch team. It would also be much less of a
problem than merging x86 and amd64. How about this? I proclaim and x86
arch team now exists. It already has a security liason.
$ cat /var/mail/alias/arch/x86
On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 12:10 -0500, Grant Goodyear wrote:
The recent discussion about having a real x86 arch team and combining
the x86 and amd64 keywords was both interesting and provocative. Of
course, this is the sort of thing that the GLEP system was meant for.
Now that we have a new
Stephen P. Becker wrote:
Is it just me, it seems that only sparc/mips devs want that kind of
change and non none of the x86/amd64 devs...
I still dont see what practical advantage that would bring to x86/amd64
users or developers?
If you haven't figured out the reason we are pushing for
On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 17:05 -0400, Olivier Crete wrote:
release maintainer (chris, is that you?), the grub/lilo maintainers,
Currently, yes.
I'll add myself to the alias.
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Gentoo Linux
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On Thursday 01 September 2005 19:10, Grant Goodyear wrote:
The recent discussion about having a real x86 arch team and combining
the x86 and amd64 keywords was both interesting and provocative.
aha? Not in the list, is it?
Of course, this is the sort of thing that the GLEP system was meant
Christian Parpart wrote: [Thu Sep 01 2005, 05:45:43PM CDT]
This just leads me to assume you're not really a coder (wrt native
programming languages like C/C++), are you?
*Grin* This sort of condescending attitude is rarely wise when it comes
to dealing with Gentoo devs. Not only does it tend
On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 17:05 -0400, Olivier Crete wrote:
On Thu, 2005-01-09 at 15:25 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
So would just making an x86 arch team. It would also be much less of a
problem than merging x86 and amd64. How about this? I proclaim and x86
arch team now exists. It
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