Re: [gentoo-dev] remove cups from releases/make.defaults ?

2012-05-06 Thread Vaeth

On Sat, 5 May 2012, hasufell wrote:


# grep ^USE /usr/portage/profiles/releases/make.defaults
USE=acl cups gdbm gpm nptl nptlonly sysfs unicode

This is used by /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/amd64/10.0 for
example, so I have cups in default NON-DESKTOP profile like it was a
mandatory useflag.


When you are at it: Why is USE=gdbm there?

Even desktops run fine without sys-libs/gdbm nowadays; even sys-libs/db
is only needed on desktops if you use libreoffice (in contrast to e.g.
openoffice-bin where it is bundled, fortunately).

Maybe this was different when e.g. some applications (netscape?)
could use gdbm instead of berkeley's db, but nowadays, when many
applications (e.g. firefox) have switched to sqlite, it seeems
that gdbm is outdated.

I have USE=-cups -gdbm ... in make.conf on KDE desktop machines
since ages and no problems with it.



Re: [gentoo-dev] remove cups from releases/make.defaults ?

2012-05-06 Thread Samuli Suominen

On 05/06/2012 04:58 AM, Ben wrote:

On 6 May 2012 04:45, hasufellhasuf...@gentoo.org  wrote:

# grep ^USE /usr/portage/profiles/releases/make.defaults
USE=acl cups gdbm gpm nptl nptlonly sysfs unicode

This is used by /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/amd64/10.0 for
example, so I have cups in default NON-DESKTOP profile like it was a
mandatory useflag.

Is it? I don't even have a printer and expect that profile to be the
very minimum.

This would rather be a useflag for targets/desktop/make.defaults imo.

I see a similar discussion has happened 2 years ago, but I don't see a
solution there.



I would argue (and I did 2 years ago) that it doesn't belong even in
the desktop profile. I'm certainly not the only desktop user who
hasn't had a printer in years.

Cheers,
Ben | yngwin



+1 for getting rid of it everywhere in profiles, it's one of those steps 
you do during installation as first thing,
set USE=-cups (when you realize GTK+ pulling it in for printing 
widgets/dialogs)




Re: [gentoo-dev] remove cups from releases/make.defaults ?

2012-05-06 Thread Markos Chandras
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On 05/06/2012 02:58 AM, Ben wrote:
 On 6 May 2012 04:45, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
 # grep ^USE /usr/portage/profiles/releases/make.defaults USE=acl
 cups gdbm gpm nptl nptlonly sysfs unicode
 
 This is used by /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/amd64/10.0
 for example, so I have cups in default NON-DESKTOP profile like
 it was a mandatory useflag.
 
 Is it? I don't even have a printer and expect that profile to be
 the very minimum.
 
 This would rather be a useflag for targets/desktop/make.defaults
 imo.
 
 I see a similar discussion has happened 2 years ago, but I don't
 see a solution there.
 
 
 I would argue (and I did 2 years ago) that it doesn't belong even
 in the desktop profile. I'm certainly not the only desktop user
 who hasn't had a printer in years.
 
 Cheers, Ben | yngwin
 

That makes sense but maybe it is something that releng@ should decide?

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Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2
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Re: [gentoo-dev] remove cups from releases/make.defaults ?

2012-05-06 Thread Cyprien Nicolas
hasufell wrote:
 # grep ^USE /usr/portage/profiles/releases/make.defaults
 USE=acl cups gdbm gpm nptl nptlonly sysfs unicode

I cannot find any description about 'nptlonly' and 'sysfs' in either
/profiles/use{,.local}.desc. Are they still used?

 This is used by /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/amd64/10.0 for
 example, so I have cups in default NON-DESKTOP profile like it was a
 mandatory useflag.
 
 Is it? I don't even have a printer and expect that profile to be the
 very minimum.

+1 on that.


Thanks for cleaning up profiles!

-- 
Cyprien/Fulax
gentoo-lisp project contributor



[gentoo-dev] remove cups from releases/make.defaults ?

2012-05-05 Thread hasufell
# grep ^USE /usr/portage/profiles/releases/make.defaults
USE=acl cups gdbm gpm nptl nptlonly sysfs unicode

This is used by /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/amd64/10.0 for
example, so I have cups in default NON-DESKTOP profile like it was a
mandatory useflag.

Is it? I don't even have a printer and expect that profile to be the
very minimum.

This would rather be a useflag for targets/desktop/make.defaults imo.

I see a similar discussion has happened 2 years ago, but I don't see a
solution there.



Re: [gentoo-dev] remove cups from releases/make.defaults ?

2012-05-05 Thread Ben
On 6 May 2012 04:45, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
 # grep ^USE /usr/portage/profiles/releases/make.defaults
 USE=acl cups gdbm gpm nptl nptlonly sysfs unicode

 This is used by /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/amd64/10.0 for
 example, so I have cups in default NON-DESKTOP profile like it was a
 mandatory useflag.

 Is it? I don't even have a printer and expect that profile to be the
 very minimum.

 This would rather be a useflag for targets/desktop/make.defaults imo.

 I see a similar discussion has happened 2 years ago, but I don't see a
 solution there.


I would argue (and I did 2 years ago) that it doesn't belong even in
the desktop profile. I'm certainly not the only desktop user who
hasn't had a printer in years.

Cheers,
Ben | yngwin