Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-22 Thread Jonathan Coome
On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 15:45 -0800, Bret Towe wrote: perhaps having some proxys of a sort that accept patchs and such from trusted users that would commit fixes to portage would help. similiar to the kernel format that way users can 'commit'/help out quickly without having to go thru the long

[gentoo-dev] Re: Making the developer community more open

2006-03-22 Thread Duncan
Jonathan Coome posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:49:29 +: Taking this idea a bit further, what about proxy maintainers? There seem to be quite a few packages that are being effectively maintained by users on bugzilla, but are not in portage because they

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making the developer community more open

2006-03-22 Thread Michael Crute
On 3/22/06, Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A possible alternative that could be rolled out sooner would be some form of contrib eclass. Make it a simple matter to inherit contrib and get the standard contrib warnings and handling. One thing the eclass could handle would be a USE=contrib

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making the developer community more open

2006-03-22 Thread Thomas Cort
A developer could then take these ebuilds, make sure they don't do anything malicious, or break QA, or whatever, and act as the bridge between the portage tree and the users actually working on the ebuild and keeping things up to date and working. The easiest way to handle contrib as far

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making the developer community more open

2006-03-22 Thread Thomas Cort
The process for getting unstable ebuilds from bugzilla to portage could even be automated to the extent that when an ebuild is put into bugzilla it gets auto committed to the tree but masked unstable. I don't think that auto committing user submitted ebuilds is safe, even if they are masked.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Making the developer community more open

2006-03-22 Thread Dan Meltzer
Asking developers to proxy takes almost as much time as it does to ask them to maintain a package by themselves. The developer is directly responsible for anything he commits, so he will have to still test the ebuild, still test any revisions, and still follow the package to make sure there are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-22 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Daniel, On 3/20/06, Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the bigger problems is that we have a huge user community who are keen on contributing, but we have such a high barrier for entry to the developer community. Quite rightly so - we're dealing with a live tree, so we can't give

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making the developer community more open

2006-03-22 Thread Jonathan Coome
On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 09:15 -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote: Asking developers to proxy takes almost as much time as it does to ask them to maintain a package by themselves. The developer is directly responsible for anything he commits, so he will have to still test the ebuild, still test any

[gentoo-dev] Security team meeting summary

2006-03-22 Thread Stefan Cornelius
This is the summary of the IRC meeting the Gentoo Linux Security Team had on Monday, March 20, 20:00 UTC in #gentoo-security (freenode). A raw IRC log of the meeting can be found here: http://dev.gentoo.org/~dercorny/security/sec-meeting-20060320.log Agenda was: --- 1/ Project status

Re: [gentoo-dev] Official overlay support

2006-03-22 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Stuart Herbert wrote: I've been very happy with using svn+trac overlays to bridge this gap. They provide a sandbox for contributions to be shared and evaluated. They provide a place where I've been able to give commit access to non-devs, so that they can learn the ropes w/out threatening the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Official overlay support

2006-03-22 Thread Daniel Ostrow
On Wednesday 22 March 2006 12:03, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Stuart Herbert wrote: I've been very happy with using svn+trac overlays to bridge this gap. They provide a sandbox for contributions to be shared and evaluated. They provide a place where I've been able to give commit access to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Official overlay support

2006-03-22 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:03:38 -0800 Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | This definitely sounds like a fun idea. It would be even cooler if we | were using a distributed SCM on both ends that allowed for easy | merging. Word of warning to anyone planning to implement one of these that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Official overlay support

2006-03-22 Thread Duncan Coutts
On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 09:03 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Stuart Herbert wrote: I've been very happy with using svn+trac overlays to bridge this gap. They provide a sandbox for contributions to be shared and evaluated. They provide a place where I've been able to give commit access to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Official overlay support

2006-03-22 Thread Stuart Herbert
This definitely sounds like a fun idea. It would be even cooler if we were using a distributed SCM on both ends that allowed for easy merging. Donnie It's probably the right time for me to flesh out what I've been planning for overlays.g.o. The vision I have for overlays.g.o is one official

[gentoo-dev] Modular X: unmasking tonight, RFC

2006-03-22 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Hi all, There aren't really any remaining blockers to keep modular X out of ~arch, as far as I can see. If anyone's got one, please bring it up now. I'm planning to unmask later tonight. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X: unmasking tonight, RFC

2006-03-22 Thread Olivier Crete
On Wed, 2006-22-03 at 15:16 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Hi all, There aren't really any remaining blockers to keep modular X out of ~arch, as far as I can see. If anyone's got one, please bring it up now. I'm planning to unmask later tonight. If modular X is used and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X: unmasking tonight, RFC

2006-03-22 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On Mar 22, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Olivier Crete wrote: If modular X is used and gnome-base/control-center is not patched.. gnome-settings-daemon on some evdev combinations... Not sure if that's a blocker... but we should rush in a new version of control-center with the patch Nah, not a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X: unmasking tonight, RFC

2006-03-22 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 22 March 2006 19:59, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On Mar 22, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Olivier Crete wrote: If modular X is used and gnome-base/control-center is not patched.. gnome-settings-daemon on some evdev combinations... Not sure if that's a blocker... but we should rush in a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X: unmasking tonight, RFC

2006-03-22 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 08:20:01PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Wednesday 22 March 2006 19:59, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On Mar 22, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Olivier Crete wrote: If modular X is used and gnome-base/control-center is not patched.. gnome-settings-daemon on some evdev

[gentoo-portage-dev] python trace support for --debug mode

2006-03-22 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone, I've written a patch [1] that adds support for tracing python. It uses pythons debugger hooks [2] to trace execution events (mostly function calls and returns). The patch causes python tracing to be enabled in --debug mode if

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] lirc-0.8.0 with kernel 2.6.16

2006-03-22 Thread Karol Wojtaszek
Paul Marks wrote: Paul Marks wrote: I couldn't get my lirc-0.8.0 to compile with the new kernel 2.6.16, so I pulled a couple files out of CVS and generated this patch. It works for me on 2.6.16 now. Sorry, I think I may have sent this to the wrong list. I better go read more carefully and

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] DB and binary dependency

2006-03-22 Thread tvali
I was thinking about it, too, and found something i do like maybe more. It would be not binary, but code dependancy. This is limited to specific languages, then, but after all, there may also be different binary dependencies, too [for example, you may depend on fonts images from another package].

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] DB and binary dependency

2006-03-22 Thread tvali
I hope you did read my previous mail of code dependancy -- if not, it's at the end of message. This here is not so much overthought thing, but a good starting point, maybe, if code deps are used. Anyway, i give here the same idea in more complete form and good syntax (good, because it could be

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] DB and binary dependency

2006-03-22 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 19:40 +0200, tvali wrote: I was thinking about it, too, and found something i do like maybe more. It would be not binary, but code dependancy. This is limited to specific languages, then, but after all, there may also be different binary dependencies, too [for example,

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] DB and binary dependency

2006-03-22 Thread tvali
2006/3/22, Patrick Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There are a few reasons why this won't work :-)First: What if I have assembler? python? perl?Your example is limited to the C preprocessor. Yes that i did tell there that it's limited to c already :) but bin dep, after all, is limited to lib dependencies

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] DB and binary dependency

2006-03-22 Thread tvali
As an addition to code deps discussion. I didnt understand exactly, why bin deps were supposed to be better than what we have now, as i am not yet exactly sure what we have :) Anyway, i see one basic plus of code deps. It's that you may have huge number of codelines, all containing #defines and

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Re: User created package lists

2006-03-22 Thread Brian
On Tue, 2006-21-03 at 10:50 -0600, MIkey wrote: tvali wrote: So, if portage would be looked as lists and operations with lists (calculating dependencies of package would be operation with list of that package and list of all - portage tree -, then); building tools [shell commands] for